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[Guest guest]

Dear Dvibhuja Prabhu,

 

PAMHO. AGTSP.

 

Having followed your texts and the other contributors on this cow conference

for several months now, it seems to me, that you are the most offensive in

the way you have dealt with the devotees. You talk about how they shouldn't

mention the short comings of the Leaders that they see and then you blast

them with offensive language, much more offensive than the language they are

using. After I have placed a letter for peace on this conference you yet

have to come back continuing the same drift of conversation that I asked to

be stopped. While others are volunteering their services. This doesn't look

to good as to your intentions.

 

 

Yes, there are many wonderful devotees who have given their lives in serving

Guru and Gouranga both in the leadership and grass roots rank and file.

Srila Prabhupada has given us different guidelines to follow in our

spiritual activities one of which is "purity is the force". That purity

will speak for itself in the fruits of the tree being either sweet or sour.

There is both sweet and sour fruit on the ISKCON tree. What the devotees are

saying is that they don't want to eat the sour fruit anymore. They have

already seen what branches are producing sour furit.

 

As organizer of this cow conference I ask one more time that you stop your

continuing offensive chastisement of the other devotees on this conference.

If you do not like what they say then, as you have threatened, remove

yourself from the conference. If you remain on the conference and continue

in the manner you have chosen to use, then I will remove you from the

conference. This is the last warning.

 

In all these years (since 1993) I have never removed anyone. Mostly, if

there was some heavy criticisms it was directed at Balabhadra and myself. It

is a different story when one sees other devotees who are expressing their

heartfelt opinions and observations in a loyal manner towards Srila

Prabhupada be cut down as offenders.

 

Either you cooperate, or remove yourself, or be removed.

 

Your servant,

Chayadevi

Organizer of cow conference since 1993

 

---- Original Message -----

Martin <>

Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; Varnasrama

development <Varnasrama.development (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

Wednesday, March 01, 2000 2:17 PM

Re: A History of Blaming Anyone But Me

 

 

> Offenses are such that even we try to do some good the whole thing can be

> spoiled by offending the Vaisnavas.

> I don't doubt that all of the devotees that are embroiled in this

mometary

> contreversy mean to try and help the cows. However, it would not be

> prudent to not understand that everything depends on the mercy of Guru and

> Gouranga as I am sure you are aware. If we think that we can simply say

> things because it is a cow conference and that there are not reactions we

> are wrong. I hope you understand that it is only fair that when someone

> becomes morose or bitter about ISKCON they are still liable for what they

> say. It is not justification to blast those devotees who have dedicated

> their lives to this Sankirtan movement. So it pains me. I am not very

> learned, but I understand that this can destroy our movement. It doesn't

> matter how you paint it. This is what can destroy our movement.

> Criticism of course can always be there. However venting,and foolishly

> portraying our revered devotees who we love and beg for their association,

> as bad guys is not going to work.

> You and I both know that our service is not hendered by anything other

> than our own lack of sincerity. We may cry victim, foul etc. But on the

> ultimate plane we know it is just our lack of Krishna consciousness.

> Venting on the devotees who have taken up the management tasks will be

> counterproductive on all levels.

> I say let us return to the ways of glorifying our Godbrothers and those

> Vaisnavas who are giving their lives to this Sankirtana movement. In this

> way everyone will want to help and then of course Krishna will make nice

> facility. In this way we can't go wrong, Krishna will always protect us.

> It works. It is not material.

>

> YS

> Dvibhuja das

>

> Samba (das) SDG (Mauritius) <Samba.SDG (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> Martin <laksmi (AT) datastar (DOT) net>; concep (AT) prodigy (DOT) net.mx

> <concep (AT) prodigy (DOT) net.mx>; Cow (Protection and related issues)

> <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; Varnasrama development <Varnasrama.development (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> Wednesday, March 01, 2000 7:40 AM

> Re: A History of Blaming Anyone But Me

>

>

> >> Why don't we just make up any group

> >> and blame them. The leaders are leaders because Krishna has put them

in

> >> this position and they have accepted. Why? It must be for the money

or

> >> power. Yea thats it, these corupt GBCS are all getting rich and

planning

> >> to buy a huge farm in Hawaii. Lets all get together and gettVNN to

put

> >> out a special on this new conspiracy. You don't need any facts. Lets

> >> just play on igonorance and envy. God knows there is plenty of that

> >> around.

> >>

> >> YS

> >> > >

> >Krsna lets all sorts of people get in big positions, Sai Baba, Maharishi

> >Mahesh Yogi, some of them even more powerful and wealthy than our

> >impoverished movement (forced to sell off its prime farms, and defending

> >itself in courts of law). We had our own leaders who used their power in

> >unjust ways and were exposed eventualy, Jayatirtha, Kirtananda, etc.

> >

> >Is it not bad enough that cows under ISKCON's jurisdiction have DIED in

> >abusive situations? This terrible occurence resulting in a spontaneous

> group

> >of concerned 'lay' devotees, along with the appropriate ministries

> >co-operating to formulate a set of laws to safeguard the cows, only to

find

> >that these LAWS are also not followed by the very leaders that ratified

> >them?

> >

> >What does this say?

> >

> >There is something very wrong going on in Govindas movement.

> >

> >The devotees that you seem to take exception to are all (at least as far

as

> >I can tell) concerned individuals, who appear to CARE, and who are

> >enthusiastic to do something for the cows and ISKCON. Yet all you seem to

> do

> >is to disparage them, to say the least.

> >

> >To say that there is nothing wrong within the ISKCON framework, and that

> >there is nothing wrong with any of the leaders in ISKCON (given a history

> >abundant with abusive leaders), would seem to be simply blind. Are we

meant

> >to be blind followers? To blaspheme Srila Prabhupadas body would indeed

be

> >suicidal, but to point out a dangerous malaise that threatens that body

is

> >surely needed? Not that all 'leaders' are to be held to account, but to

> deny

> >that there is any wrongdoing is really to be blind.

> >

> >The motivation of these devotees (it seems to me) is to return to the

> values

> >Srila Prabhupada has taught us, and to take to task those who may claim

to

> >be leaders, but who are not offering us the kind of selfless, and

> >enlightened leadership that Srila Prabhupada gave.

> >

> >That is my impression and I am amazed that you seem to find them guilty

of

> >the worst possible misdemeanor. It would be one thing if they were trying

> to

> >minimise Srila Prabhupada as some kind of conditioned soul, as is going

on

> >in some other conferences. But these devotees appear to be hankering for

> the

> >kind of consistency, honesty, and integrity, that only a soul such as

Srila

> >Prabhupada can give, and not those who may attempt to imitate him.

> >

> >They want to take up Srila Prabhupadas instructions (a mandate that all

his

> >followers have inherited) to wrack their brains to make this movement a

> >grand success. How can any follower of Srila Prabhupada deny this right

to

> >any other?

> >

> >Surely to meditate on his instructions, and to discuss them with others

is

> >the prerogative of all his followers.

> >

> >Your servant

> >Samba das

>

>