from devotee - farmers of Ershovo, (South Kurjinovo Russia)

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Acutanandana,

xapu KpuwHa, Mozet beit yesli u tebia yest Karovi bez pravilnogo uhoda za

nimi, tagda lucshe ih ne imet.

Yesli predannie prodali karov karmi tagda eto vsyoravno schto ubit ih, oni

pakupayut karov chtobi yest ih. Tak eto plohaya karma, simularno kagda

pakupaet moloko ot karmi. Mozet beit ti smogu smotri dla bolshoi zemlya i

sdelat doma dla vsyo predannih?? iLi.. coyadenit vsyo zemlya kto imet

sichas e sdelat adin bolshoi mesta dla karovi?

Yesli ti imet buik, luchu kastrate. ( cdelat oxen tagda tie emet ne problem

c breeding control. also you should keep bulls and cows in seperate areas.

the calves when born should be made for oxen if they are bulls. With such

limited space no one should breed past the lands capability. then you are

stuck.

better to engage the cows milk that the Karmi has in the service of Krsna.

It is even worse to sell calve to someone who will eat him later. We have at

Gita Nagari one cow who is miking for 8 years with no baby. I heard many

other cows on other farms that still milk for many years with only one baby.

This also depends on what breed this cow is and the care and eda, vada,

Luyubov, and how many times in a day you milk and if its regulated at the

right time. Exmple,, if you milk her 2 times a day, it should be 12 hours

apart.

Is there a way to combine a few devotees properties together to make a

bigger area foor those who don;t have enough space? Maybe someone who has no

cow. the cows can keep there grass cut low and they can have some little

milk donation for letting the cows graze on their property....???...

If you always milk her and take care with love, she will always give some

milk. Best is to not get this cow if you don;t have proper area or facility.

since you already have you must restrict breeding until you can make bigger

facility.

 

You don't have to listen to me I'm just making strong sugestions, Maybe Bala

will have better advice. Udachi..

 

Hare Krsna,

Your servant, Derek- usa-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>Dear Balabhadra prabhu, pleas accept our obeisances.

>All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

>We are received Your' response on Friday, November, 26, 1999.

>But our letter was transleated with some mi stakes. For last months we have

>some guestions.

> We heve not public farm, but we have cowsin individual farming. It is

>very

>difficult forus, because we have some problems with pasturing facilities,

>to

>restrain breeding cows.

> Can You give tous some advices, experience for individual farming?

>Becaus

>in cow protection standards is informations only obout public fsrms. In our

>village called Ershovo some devotees bought cows, but then they could not

>know

>obout cow care standards. Now they cannot follow to many rules standards

>cow

>protection. For example, one matadji sold a calf 2 week old to karmi. She

>say:

>'' I cannot re strain breeding cow, I have not facilities to maintenance 2

>cows". Some devotees have opinion, that if to buy a milk from karmi (it is

>cost 0,1$ for 1 litre) it means to assist killing cows. Jhey say, that if

>not

>breeding the cows the milk will be very little. What we can do? What is

>beter

>for us? In our village is two families - Prema Kalpataru das and Kasturika

>d.d., Acyutananda das and Srimati Sundari d.d.(authons of this letter). We

>are

>trying to train are oxes. We engaged ox power in supply a water, fire wood,

>hay, dung.

> Your servants

>Acyutananda das and Srimati Sundari d.d.

>

 

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Dear Devotee Farmers of Ershova,

 

Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

 

In our

> village called Ershovo some devotees bought cows, but then they could not

know

> obout cow care standards. Now they cannot follow to many rules standards

cow

> protection. For example, one matadji sold a calf 2 week old to karmi. She

say:

> '' I cannot re strain breeding cow, I have not facilities to maintenance

2

> cows". Some devotees have opinion, that if to buy a milk from karmi (it

is

> cost 0,1$ for 1 litre) it means to assist killing cows. Jhey say, that if

not

> breeding the cows the milk will be very little. What we can do? What is

beter

> for us?

 

 

Let us say someone wants to have a lot of unrestricted sex life and

therefore

their wife keeps producing children, but they do not have enough money and

room in their house for all the children she produces. Therefore

they give away some of the children. This is not right, is it? They have

had the sex life because they wanted to and therefore they should be

responsible for the result of their sex life. The answer is simple, stop

your unrestricted sex life if you can't take care of the children produced

by it.

 

When someone breeds a cow because they want milk and gives away the baby who

is the result of breeding because they say they can not take care of the

baby, it is irresponsible. Whoever breeds a cow is responsible for the life

of the baby cow produced. Action and reaction. It is logical and simple. If

the baby is sold to someone, espescially a non-devotee, the fate of that

baby is not known and

certainly it will not receive lifetime protection. Most likely the baby will

eventually be slaughtered.

 

In this case the arguement might be made that the breeding could not

prevented. But this should have been known before purchasing the cow. One of

the purposes of fencing is to prevent accidental breeding. Owning a cow is a

responsibility just like having a child. If you are in a situation where you

don't have much money and can not provide for the cow and its offspring, it

would be better not to keep a cow and just buy your milk. In other words, if

you can't provide properly for the cow and its offspring you are not in a

position to have the cow. When you offer the bought milk the cow is receving

benefit because the fruits of her labor are being offerred to Krsna.

However, when you are in a position to properly take care of a cow, you

should do so because purchasing milk is not ideal. It is more ideal to take

care of the cows yourselves, but you must do that right or you become

responsible and receive reaction for your irresponsibility in cow care.

 

Bhakta Dereks letter to you on this conference provides some suggestions as

to what to do to provide for the cow you have already. They are good

suggestions and please see if you can institute any of them.

 

Scripturally the cow is our mother. When you give away the baby of the cow

you are selling our mother's children. Not to mention what the mother cow

feels when her baby is being taken away by strangers.

 

Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Kirtanananda :

Mayapur

74-10-05

 

When cows were purchased in the beginning I have seen them crying because

the calf was taken for killing. They can understand. Not that they are

animal and cannot understand.

 

The greed for milk has influenced most of the mistakes made in ISKCON cow

protection facilities. More and more people in the world are becoming vegan

because of what happens to the cows to acquire milk. Personally, we are

practically vegan and buy just a little cheese and butter. At this point we

don't feel that we can be responsible for another cow that would be the

result of breeding one of our cows. We have our own place and have 27 cows

and oxen.

 

It is very good to hear that you engage your oxen. There can be no cow

protection without ox power. So this is very positive and a good example.

 

Please keep in touch as to how your project progresses. If you have any more

questions please feel free to inquire as you have done. If you like we can

make you a member of the cow conference. There are over 80 devotees from

international locations with interest and some with experience in cow

protection.

 

Your servants,

Balabhadra das & Chayadevi

ISKCON Ministry for Cow Protection and Agriculture

 

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Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:11 PM

from devotee - farmers of Ershovo, (South Kurjinovo Russia)

 

 

> Dear Balabhadra prabhu, pleas accept our obeisances.

> All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

> We are received Your' response on Friday, November, 26, 1999.

> But our letter was transleated with some mi stakes. For last months we

have

> some guestions.

> We heve not public farm, but we have cowsin individual farming. It is

very

> difficult forus, because we have some problems with pasturing facilities,

to

> restrain breeding cows.

> Can You give tous some advices, experience for individual farming?

Becaus

> in cow protection standards is informations only obout public fsrms. In

our

> village called Ershovo some devotees bought cows, but then they could not

know

> obout cow care standards. Now they cannot follow to many rules standards

cow

> protection. For example, one matadji sold a calf 2 week old to karmi. She

say:

> '' I cannot re strain breeding cow, I have not facilities to maintenance

2

> cows". Some devotees have opinion, that if to buy a milk from karmi (it

is

> cost 0,1$ for 1 litre) it means to assist killing cows. Jhey say, that if

not

> breeding the cows the milk will be very little. What we can do? What is

beter

> for us? In our village is two families - Prema Kalpataru das and Kasturika

> d.d., Acyutananda das and Srimati Sundari d.d.(authons of this letter). We

are

> trying to train are oxes. We engaged ox power in supply a water, fire

wood,

> hay, dung.

> Your servants

> Acyutananda das and Srimati Sundari d.d.

>