Guest guest Posted November 16, 1999 Report Share Posted November 16, 1999 To make a public apology for the sincere official who is connected with sinful activities -- even if they were before his time in charge -- can be a purifying event for the person, and also for the citizenry. This is an acknowledgement that we did the wrong thing. It helps gather the resolve to change things. It's important to make a formal move like this to give a clear signal to the citizenry: These are our principles; here's where we fell down; now we want to be vigilant and make new policies so we can come back up to the proper standards again. Without such an apology, the general attitude becomes: well these things are not so important after all. To make a public apology for an official who does not sincerely feel that he or his institution did wrong is still a moment of humility which can act to deter others from not taking the responsibility which they owe their citizens. Reducing bad karma means as you say, a sincere change of heart. But the main way that bad karma is reduced is that the apology should mark the end of the sinful actitivities in questions. Otherwise, naturally, if the sinful activities continue, there is no reduction of bad karma. The reduction is that the karma is not as bad as it could become if the sinful activities are continued unchecked. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi Noelene Hawkins wrote: > [Text 2781852 from COM] > > In that case, at > least there should be some public apology and atonement forthcoming. > Otherwise the community will surely decline, due to the effects of bad > karma. > > How does atonement and apology fit in with reducing bad karma, unless it is > accompanied by a change of heart which causes the pleasurement of Krsna, who > takes > karma away. I feel the change of heart has to be stressed before external > things, or the > reform may just be show, which will not really put an end to the vicious > cycle of > abuse-reaction. > > ____ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 1999 Report Share Posted November 16, 1999 On 16 Nov 1999, Hare Krsna dasi wrote: > To make a public apology for the sincere official who is connected with sinful > activities -- even if they were before his time in charge -- can be a purifying > event for the person, and also for the citizenry. This is an acknowledgement > that we did the wrong thing. It helps gather the resolve to change things. Dear Hare Krsna dasi, Repectfully, I must reiterate that to ask people to apologise for sinful activities before it is proven that those sinful activities exist is not proper. And, your 'hearing' about it and making judgements based upon incomplete knowledge does not make it proven. It may be that your zeal to improve things and your frustration with the slow process to do so is causing you to 'jump the gun'. If you are talking here about cases that are genuinely 'proven' I have no objection your servant Lola devi dasi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 1999 Report Share Posted November 16, 1999 "WWW: Lola (Devi Dasi) ACBSP (Vancouver - CAN)" wrote: > [Text 2784188 from COM] > > On 16 Nov 1999, Hare Krsna dasi wrote: > > > To make a public apology for the sincere official who is connected with > sinful > > activities -- even if they were before his time in charge -- can be a > purifying > > event for the person, and also for the citizenry. This is an > acknowledgement > > that we did the wrong thing. It helps gather the resolve to change things. > > Dear Hare Krsna dasi, > > Repectfully, I must reiterate that to ask people to apologise for sinful > activities before it is proven that those sinful activities exist is not > proper. And, your 'hearing' about it and making judgements based upon > incomplete knowledge does not make it proven. It may be that your zeal to > improve things and your frustration with the slow process to do so is causing > you to 'jump the gun'. If you are talking here about cases that are > genuinely 'proven' I have no objection > > your servant > Lola devi dasi. Okay, for starters: Do you think that responsible officials should apologize for the disaster at Murari Sevaka? ys hkdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 1999 Report Share Posted November 17, 1999 Drumilla's case is definitely proven. Maybe we should call him by some other name. He deserves to be given the full dose of whatever criticisms the cow protections devotees have to offer. Ys Dvibhuja das WWW: Lola (Devi Dasi) ACBSP (Vancouver - CAN) <Loladd1 (AT) aol (DOT) com> COM: Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; Noma Petroff <npetroff (AT) Bowdoin (DOT) EDU>; niscala99 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com <niscala99 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:10 PM Re: History of cow abuse - public apologies >[Text 2784188 from COM] > >On 16 Nov 1999, Hare Krsna dasi wrote: > >> To make a public apology for the sincere official who is connected with >sinful >> activities -- even if they were before his time in charge -- can be a >purifying >> event for the person, and also for the citizenry. This is an >acknowledgement >> that we did the wrong thing. It helps gather the resolve to change things. > >Dear Hare Krsna dasi, > >Repectfully, I must reiterate that to ask people to apologise for sinful >activities before it is proven that those sinful activities exist is not >proper. And, your 'hearing' about it and making judgements based upon >incomplete knowledge does not make it proven. It may be that your zeal to >improve things and your frustration with the slow process to do so is causing >you to 'jump the gun'. If you are talking here about cases that are >genuinely 'proven' I have no objection > >your servant >Lola devi dasi. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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