Guest guest Posted July 6, 2001 Report Share Posted July 6, 2001 Niscala devi: > The temple mangaement though need to agree to this. There is hardly any > cow's milk available at the market in Vrindavan, it is all buffalo. When I > suggested stopping breeding, they all said "And the Dieties will have to be > offered buffalo milk" > Comment; This is just a cover, here in New Talavan we receive about 8 gallons of milk (30.8 litres) daily- its sole use is Deities, nothing is sold and the deities receive yogurt, milk, sandesh, sweet rice, rasagulla, kheer and burfi. It is not that breeding is stopped, that is going on. We are milking three, about 450 days - one plus years no breeding and breeding a cow every couple years. ys, Rohita dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2001 Report Share Posted July 7, 2001 >"New Talavan" <talavan (AT) fnbop (DOT) com> >"New Talavan" <talavan (AT) fnbop (DOT) com>, Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net >"Niscala Devidasi" <niscala89 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>, "Cow (Protection and >related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> >Re: what to do about Vrindavan? >Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:47 -0500 > >Niscala devi: > > The temple mangaement though need to agree to this. There is hardly any > > cow's milk available at the market in Vrindavan, it is all buffalo. When >I > > suggested stopping breeding, they all said "And the Dieties will have to >be > > offered buffalo milk" > > >Comment; >This is just a cover, here in New Talavan we receive about 8 gallons of >milk >(30.8 litres) daily- its sole use is Deities, nothing is sold and the >deities receive yogurt, milk, sandesh, sweet rice, rasagulla, kheer and >burfi. It is not that breeding is stopped, that is going on. We are milking >three, about 450 days - one plus years no breeding and breeding a cow every >couple years. Unfortunately these Indian breeds only give milk for 6 months, and not so much at that. But they are suited to the climate, so we should stick to them. >ys, Niscala > > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2001 Report Share Posted July 7, 2001 - "Niscala Devidasi" <niscala89 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Saturday, July 07, 2001 3:00 AM Re: what to do about Vrindavan? > > > > >"New Talavan" <talavan (AT) fnbop (DOT) com> > >"New Talavan" <talavan (AT) fnbop (DOT) com>, Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net > >"Niscala Devidasi" <niscala89 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>, "Cow (Protection and > >related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > >Re: what to do about Vrindavan? > >Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:47 -0500 > > > >Niscala devi: > > > The temple mangaement though need to agree to this. There is hardly any > > > cow's milk available at the market in Vrindavan, it is all buffalo. When > >I > > > suggested stopping breeding, they all said "And the Dieties will have to > >be > > > offered buffalo milk" > > > > >Comment; > >This is just a cover, here in New Talavan we receive about 8 gallons of > >milk > >(30.8 litres) daily- its sole use is Deities, nothing is sold and the > >deities receive yogurt, milk, sandesh, sweet rice, rasagulla, kheer and > >burfi. It is not that breeding is stopped, that is going on. We are milking > >three, about 450 days - one plus years no breeding and breeding a cow every > >couple years. > > Unfortunately these Indian breeds only give milk for 6 months, and not so > much at that. But they are suited to the climate, so we should stick to > them. Comment: Yes this I understand as I have a Gyr, Gyr/Kankrej, Gyr/InduBrazil and two Gyr/Kankrej/InduBrazil animals and about 40 animals that are a result of using bulls of the Gyr and Gyr/Kankrej ancestry on European cows in order to combat 4 months of temperatures in excess of 85`F with a relative humidity that can add an additional 15`F making the upper temperature range at 120`F. Under year round grazing here (Coastal Mississippi) the tarus/indicus crosses will produce milk in excess of 4 litres for about 8 months. In eastern Brazil and northern Australia, where it gets much hotter (similar to Gujarat) they have tarus/indicus cows with production capabilities of 6% fat and 30 litres of milk per cow per day and will produce for about 365 days, reaching that peak for about two months and slowly declining after that. In Vrindavan they will need to breed more cows (5 instead of 3) to produce the quota we in New Talavan meet and it is essential that the calving be staggard to insure continuous flow. Even this number of animals will greatly reduce the numbers of calves born yearly. Adopt-a-cow may bring in donations to Vrindavan's advantage, the real need however is to increase the amount of land, decrease the number of calves born and heavy preaching to the resident devotees to engage in working with the oxen. I undertand that this is a long term problem - my last visit was in '96 and I saw many things wrong then - I could not find the head cowherd by going to the goshalla and staying there for five or six hours daily for a week (time of day seemed to make no difference)! One suggestion to increase funds temporarily (for a peroid of sufficient lenght to build the support infrastructure to meet the cows requirements, land purchase and teamsters) would be for us (members of the cow conference) to collect donations for Vrindavan and then take directly to PK. A few of us could make arrangements to stay in India for additional time just to help as he needs. This would bolster his confidence to push on. We could also make inquires to the management of Vrindavan asking in a humble way if there is any plan for increasing the land available to the cows and other topics. If we made a mailing campaign (much like is done in the west with the countries political leaders), they may see the need to act in conformity with their expect roles. These should be in the local public media of Vrindavan and should be in a positive note, not mentioning bulls being taken away but focusing on improving the facility to the cows. By doing this the amount of donations will should also increase - provided the corrupted parties can be circumvented. ys, Rohita dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2001 Report Share Posted July 7, 2001 Rohita wrote: > >Adopt-a-cow may bring in donations to Vrindavan's advantage, the real need >however is to increase the amount of land, decrease the number of calves >born and heavy preaching to the resident devotees to engage in working with >the oxen. They use the limited, very limited land they have for ox-power. I think very few grhastas have land and they very few that do have it they don't cultivate it to my knowledge, due to the problem of water shortage and the fact that most people vacate Vrindavan in the extremely hot summer, or the fact they aren't farming types. I undertand that this is a long term problem - my last visit was >in '96 and I saw many things wrong then - I could not find the head cowherd >by going to the goshalla and staying there for five or six hours daily for >a >week (time of day seemed to make no difference)! The management has changed since then. He lives there now. > >One suggestion to increase funds temporarily (for a peroid of sufficient >lenght to build the support infrastructure to meet the cows requirements, >land purchase and teamsters) would be for us (members of the cow >conference) >to collect donations for Vrindavan and then take directly to PK. This would certainly convince him we're on his side. A few of >us could make arrangements to stay in India for additional time just to >help >as he needs. This would bolster his confidence to push on. > >We could also make inquires to the management of Vrindavan asking in a >humble way if there is any plan for increasing the land available to the >cows and other topics. If we made a mailing campaign (much like is done in >the west with the countries political leaders), they may see the need to >act >in conformity with their expect roles. These should be in the local public >media of Vrindavan and should be in a positive note, not mentioning bulls >being taken away but focusing on improving the facility to the cows. By >doing this the amount of donations will should also increase - provided the >corrupted parties can be circumvented. No one should send donations to ISKCON Vrindavan, but directly to PK. We can ask how much money comes in from milk sales to temple and goshalla shop. We can tell them if we can provide a certain percentage of that money, can they assure us that breeding will decrease by the same percentage? Actually, donations should therefore be sent to ISCOWP on behalf of Vrindavan goshalla, so ISCOWP can use it as a leverage to decrease breeding there. What does everyone think of this idea? >ys, Niscala > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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