Guest guest Posted July 7, 2001 Report Share Posted July 7, 2001 It is disappointing that the two most prominant goshalla's in the world are both stuck in an unsustainable breeding policy. It is suprising how the GBC members resonsible for these areas are so oblivious to the needs of cows. It is only a mater of time before these goshallas get the support they require, but that support will come from the pressure members of this conference can weild on the repective management bodies. It is stuningly shocking to think that mangers in mayapur think that sending cows outside is ok as long as there is a bit of paper. Can they not see that mayapur is not a cow protecting area. Can they not see that in the surrounding homes people only have a couple of cows and calves. Can they not see that there are no successional generations of cows in the yards of the local people. 4 years ago I visited ekachakra and what I saw was very encouraging, at least on face value. In each and every home there was a samll herd of cows outside their home. There seamed to be cows everywhere, as well as all the cow paraphernalia eslpecially cow dung patties on the wall. Now in Mayapur I did not see herds of cows only isolated cows and calves. Can the managers not know that this is a symptom of consciously sending cows into the slaughter system. How can they send calves out into and area that preominatly is a tractor farming area. What work do the managers think their ox calves are going to do for the rest of their lives. Mayapur must make a plan to breed only as many cows as they are willing to personally keep. It is against all dharmic principles to have a breeding policy that is sustained by sending cows away into a potential slaughter regime. when Oh when will the mayapur management take reponsibility for their cows offspring. when will they turn around this shocking reputation they are carrying. When will they be the outstanding goshalla of world honour. We on this conference are deeply troubled each day these concerns are not addressed. ys syam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 >It is disappointing that the two most prominant goshalla's in the world are >both stuck in an unsustainable breeding policy. > >It is suprising how the GBC members resonsible for these areas are so >oblivious to the needs of cows. What is not surprizing is that when cows are abused we see leaders falling, deep flooding, splinter groups, financial problems etc. (computer crashed so lost a lot of emails that I had been stockpiling to read when I had some time available so have lost the mood and train of a lot of discussions, but can't resist commenting) Trying to have brahminical culture without true cow protection is simply a form of sahajayism in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 Mark Middle Mountain wrote: > >It is disappointing that the two most prominant goshalla's in the world > are > >both stuck in an unsustainable breeding policy. > > > >It is suprising how the GBC members resonsible for these areas are so > >oblivious to the needs of cows. > > What is not surprizing is that when cows are abused we see leaders falling, > deep flooding, splinter groups, financial problems etc. > > (computer crashed so lost a lot of emails that I had been stockpiling to > read when I had some time available so have lost the mood and train of a > lot of discussions, but can't resist commenting) > > Trying to have brahminical culture without true cow protection is simply a > form of sahajayism in my mind. Very aptly stated. Without cow protection, the gurus may sit on velvet cushions, chastise the householders for their material attachments, and meditate on the affairs of Krsna and the gopis. The practical, nitty-gritty details of actual cow protection -- focussed on healthy, balanced community development as they are -- help provide an immunization to such sahajayism. ys, hkdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 - "Syamasundara (das) (Bhaktivedanta Manor - UK)" <Syamasundara (AT) pamho (DOT) net> "New Talavan" <talavan (AT) fnbop (DOT) com>; "Niscala Devidasi" <niscala89 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Cc: "Bhadra Charu (das) JPS (Mayapur - IN)" <Bhadra.Charu.JPS (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Saturday, July 07, 2001 5:23 AM Re: what to do about Mayapur? > It is disappointing that the two most prominant goshalla's in the world are > both stuck in an unsustainable breeding policy. > > It is suprising how the GBC members resonsible for these areas are so > oblivious to the needs of cows. > > It is only a mater of time before these goshallas get the support they > require, but that support will come from the pressure members of this > conference can weild on the repective management bodies. > > It is stuningly shocking to think that mangers in mayapur think that sending > cows outside is ok as long as there is a bit of paper. Can they not see that > mayapur is not a cow protecting area. Can they not see that in the > surrounding homes people only have a couple of cows and calves. Can they not > see that there are no successional generations of cows in the yards of the > local people. > > 4 years ago I visited ekachakra and what I saw was very encouraging, at > least on face value. In each and every home there was a samll herd of cows > outside their home. There seamed to be cows everywhere, as well as all the > cow paraphernalia eslpecially cow dung patties on the wall. Comment: Yes that is how it should be. In 1996 I visited Rajkot (near the earthquake center of this year in Gujarat) and other rural areas, Most every village had its own herd of cows, I believe these cows belong to different families and where only gathered to Not long ago that was also followed in Mayapur only recently did tractors make their appearance there in the surrounding towns and villages. I seen many brahmacaris there, who with some cultivation might take up working oxen. I am not sure about the local grhastras, those I only seen at festival times and then only at aratik. If varnasrama is half of Srila Prabupada's mission then why are not these being trained, most come from villages, or is it that now I am brahmana I can not get my fingers dirty? > > Now in Mayapur I did not see herds of cows only isolated cows and calves. > Can the managers not know that this is a symptom of consciously sending cows > into the slaughter system. How can they send calves out into and area that > predominantly is a tractor farming area. What work do the managers think their > ox calves are going to do for the rest of their lives. > > Mayapur must make a plan to breed only as many cows as they are willing to > personally keep. It is against all dharmic principles to have a breeding > policy that is sustained by sending cows away into a potential slaughter > regime. > > when Oh when will the mayapur management take reponsibility for their cows > offspring. when will they turn around this shocking reputation they are > carrying. When will they be the outstanding goshalla of world honour. > > We on this conference are deeply troubled each day these concerns are not > addressed. > > ys syam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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