Fungus symbiosis as replacement for chemical fertilizers

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"Hrimati (dd) ACBSP (Mayapur - IN)" <Hrimati.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

Saturday, December 27, 2003 5:20 am

Fungus symbiosis as replacement for chemical fertilizers

 

> > > Hare Krishna!

> > > I was not able to read the article, but here in Mayapur the local

> > > farmers soak mustard cake in water for about two weeks or so,

> until it

> > > is absolutely rotten and foul smelling and has all kind of fungus

> > > floating on the top. This stuff makes a great fertilizer for

> vegetables> > and fruit trees. I am using it this winter to boost

> up our entire

> > > Garden. We have cow manure as well. However, this stuff is

> like the

> > > chutney in a balanced meal.

> >

> > I guess that mustard cake is the residue of mustard seeds after

> the oil is

> > squeezed out?

> >

> Yes, you are correct.

> y.s

> Hrimati dasi

 

A seed cake like that must have very high protein/nitrogen content. Is that

what helps it give such a boost to beneficial micro-organisms in the soil?

 

ys

 

hkdd

[Guest guest]

I am not a chemist, Mataji.

 

This kind of cake is also given to the cows.

However, I do not feed it to my cow. She does not like it so much.

We feet her Chickpeas, Linseed cake and Wheat bran. (yum... :-)

 

Hoping this will meet you in the very best of health by the grace of

Krishna.

Your humble servant,

Hrimati dasi

 

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Hari bol!

Well, our farm is biodynamic since 1998 and I am part of the Indian

Biodynamic association, conducting training and research. If I understand

your question clearly I can try to give some putins.

 

Y/s Jai Chaitanya das

Mysore

 

 

Samba (das) SDG [samba.SDG (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

Friday, December 26, 2003 3:24 PM

Mark Middle Mountain; Cow (Protection and related issues)

Fungus symbiosis as replacement for chemical fertilizers

 

 

> Hare Krishna!

> I was not able to read the article, but here in Mayapur the local farmers

> soak mustard cake in water for about two weeks or so, until it is

> absolutely rotten and foul smelling and has all kind of fungus floating on

> the top. This stuff makes a great fertilizer for vegetables and fruit

> trees. I am using it this winter to boost up our entire Garden. We have

> cow manure as well. However, this stuff is like the chutney in a balanced

> meal.

 

I guess that mustard cake is the residue of mustard seeds after the oil is

squeezed out?

 

Does anyone have the details of Rudolf Steiners recipies for soil

treatments?

 

Your servant

Samba das

 

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Dear Jai Caitanya,

 

Please do! I am sure Samba would appreciate but also we can all gain from

your knowledge and experience. We can also have several discussions going

on at the same time which can be distinguished by their subject titles.

 

I also wanted to take the opportunity to say that I am now the web nmaster

of the ISCOWP web site. I am still learning and have much to do besides but

I hope to once agian be placing the informative texts from the cow

conference into the "Golden Cow Nuggets" section of the web site. It is

here that there are many categories and the internet browser can view the

knowledge shared on the cow conference. Our first web master Gopaladeva

(Gary Curtin)organized this.I have already been making changes, additions

etc. For years some of the texts from the cow conference are published in

the ISCOWP News-so now there will be an additional publishing. It is

actually easier to organize the information on the web site.

 

Your servant,

Cahaydevi

 

Visit us at: www.iscowp.org

 

 

> [Original Message]

> JC <jnk (AT) blr (DOT) vsnl.net.in>

> Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com>; Cow (Protection and

related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> 12/29/2003 6:20:04 AM

> RE: Fungus symbiosis as replacement for chemical fertilizers

>

> Hari bol!

> Well, our farm is biodynamic since 1998 and I am part of the Indian

> Biodynamic association, conducting training and research. If I understand

> your question clearly I can try to give some putins.

>

> Y/s Jai Chaitanya das

> Mysore

>

>

> Samba (das) SDG [samba.SDG (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

> Friday, December 26, 2003 3:24 PM

> Mark Middle Mountain; Cow (Protection and related issues)

> Fungus symbiosis as replacement for chemical fertilizers

>

>

> > Hare Krishna!

> > I was not able to read the article, but here in Mayapur the local

farmers

> > soak mustard cake in water for about two weeks or so, until it is

> > absolutely rotten and foul smelling and has all kind of fungus floating

on

> > the top. This stuff makes a great fertilizer for vegetables and fruit

> > trees. I am using it this winter to boost up our entire Garden. We have

> > cow manure as well. However, this stuff is like the chutney in a

balanced

> > meal.

>

> I guess that mustard cake is the residue of mustard seeds after the oil is

> squeezed out?

>

> Does anyone have the details of Rudolf Steiners recipies for soil

> treatments?

>

> Your servant

> Samba das

>

> -----------------------

> To from this mailing list, send an email to:

> Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net

[Guest guest]

> Hari bol!

> Well, our farm is biodynamic since 1998 and I am part of the Indian

> Biodynamic association, conducting training and research. If I understand

> your question clearly I can try to give some putins.

>

> Y/s Jai Chaitanya das

> Mysore

 

That would be great prabhu.

I used to live in Bangalore, working with Abhirama prabhu and managing the

Sri Mayapur Masterplan office. I joined a local group called Eco-net, and I

attended a talk given by a foreigner on Biodynamics, so that aroused my

interest.

 

I just got a cow horn from one of our deceased cows, and would really like

to get the details of the preparation made by burying the dung stuffed horn

in the ground.

 

How deep to bury it, for how long and by how much to dilute the essence once

it is ready? How much land can be treated by one horns worth of the

preparation? The cow has been dead for almost two years now. So is that horn

ok to use?

 

The other preparations seemed to be much more complicated, but it would be

good to know what you have found to be succesful.

 

Thanks prabhuji.

 

Your servant

Samba das

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna ! Samba pr,

 

Yes, we have met in Bangalore and I wish you all success in your endeavors.

I have just sent an outline of Biodynamic farming preparations and I am sure

you would have received a copy of the same.

 

It doesn't matter how long since the horn was removed from the cow, you can

still use them as long as they are not damaged badly. Cow horns have a vital

part to play in its digestion process and in receiving the cosmic influence

into it which make cow an ideal farming companion with its complex microbial

growth the intestine. The cow horn even though removed from the cow still

has some potency which is used to convert the cow dung in the buried horn

into rich humus and to draw into it the earth energy which is active below

the ground in the winter season. This energy 'springs out' in the spring in

the form of active growth - So I guess everything makes sense. You can

notice that the tips of the cow horn has a filling where as the bulls horn

is hollow right through.

 

 

It would be my good fortune to associate with devotees with similar back

ground and visions.

 

Hare Krishna, Y/s JCD

 

 

 

Samba (das) SDG [samba.SDG (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

Wednesday, December 31, 2003 12:08 PM

JC; Mark Middle Mountain; Cow (Protection and related issues)

RE: Fungus symbiosis as replacement for chemical fertilizers

 

 

> Hari bol!

> Well, our farm is biodynamic since 1998 and I am part of the Indian

> Biodynamic association, conducting training and research. If I understand

> your question clearly I can try to give some putins.

>

> Y/s Jai Chaitanya das

> Mysore

 

That would be great prabhu.

I used to live in Bangalore, working with Abhirama prabhu and managing the

Sri Mayapur Masterplan office. I joined a local group called Eco-net, and I

attended a talk given by a foreigner on Biodynamics, so that aroused my

interest.

 

I just got a cow horn from one of our deceased cows, and would really like

to get the details of the preparation made by burying the dung stuffed horn

in the ground.

 

How deep to bury it, for how long and by how much to dilute the essence once

it is ready? How much land can be treated by one horns worth of the

preparation? The cow has been dead for almost two years now. So is that horn

ok to use?

 

The other preparations seemed to be much more complicated, but it would be

good to know what you have found to be succesful.

 

Thanks prabhuji.

 

Your servant

Samba das

[Guest guest]

I am note sure it is right in saying that the bull horn is hollow right

through. One of our bulls lost his horn and his inner horn was significantly

smaller than the outer horn. Unfortunately we never found the outer horn and

so I cannot say for sure but it seams that the outer horn must have had some

filling in the tips much to the same degree as a cow.

 

Do you or others on this conference have any experience in this matter.

 

ys syam

[Guest guest]

I think as long as the animal has died naturally there would be no

restriction in using the parts of the body.

 

Mrdangas are meant to be made from cows that have died naturally although I

suppose presently this may not be the case as cow slaughter is significant

in India these days.

 

Krishna carried a buffalo horn

 

Ivory was used in furniture and decoration

 

Krishna blows a conchshell

 

 

etc..

 

ys syam

[Guest guest]

As a BD practitioner I have go through many horns - cows, bull, buffalo .

You could tap the tips of the horns and you can make out the hollowness at

the tips in case of the bull and the filling in the case of the cows horn.

That is one way to differentiate but again the calving marks on the cows

horn is very obvious. The filling at the tip of the horn is something

surely to do with the reproductive activity of the cow and the milk

generation. Someone ones told me that the cow eats green grass which is a

Nitrogen and protine material and it gives a calcium rich material called

milk. So how does that happen?? - I am still wondering!!! This must be

due to the micro-floral growth in the digestive system and again the cosmic

influence through the horns.

 

Lot of research has been done and it is an accepted fact that the urine and

dung from a cow is better than that of the bull. This again will reflect on

the digestive system and the filling in the horns of the cow. Especially of

a lactating cow - its very special. Even a chromatography done on a filter

paper with silver nitrate shows better strength in cow manure compared to

that of the bulls.

 

Many villagers allow their cows especially when it is in the later stages

of its pregnancy, to walk around their land as they believe that their land

becomes reactivated by the hoof prints of the cow. The relationship of cow

to land is a very complex and unique one, most of it is not obvious to the

kali yuga minds and eyes, I guess.

 

Y/s JCD

 

 

Syamasundara (das) (Bhaktivedanta Manor - UK)

[syamasundara (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:10 PM

JC; Mark Middle Mountain; Cow (Protection and related issues)

RE: Fungus symbiosis as replacement for chemical fertilizers

 

 

I am note sure it is right in saying that the bull horn is hollow right

through. One of our bulls lost his horn and his inner horn was significantly

smaller than the outer horn. Unfortunately we never found the outer horn and

so I cannot say for sure but it seams that the outer horn must have had some

filling in the tips much to the same degree as a cow.

 

Do you or others on this conference have any experience in this matter.

 

ys syam

[Guest guest]

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JC <jnk (AT) blr (DOT) vsnl.net.in>

Saturday, January 3, 2004 3:15 am

RE: Fungus symbiosis as replacement for chemical fertilizers

 

> As a BD practitioner I have go through many horns - cows, bull,

> buffalo .

> You could tap the tips of the horns and you can make out the

> hollowness at

> the tips in case of the bull and the filling in the case of the

> cows horn.

> That is one way to differentiate but again the calving marks on

> the cows

> horn is very obvious. The filling at the tip of the horn is something

> surely to do with the reproductive activity of the cow and the milk

> generation. Someone ones told me that the cow eats green grass

> which is a

> Nitrogen and protine material and it gives a calcium rich material

> calledmilk. So how does that happen?? - I am still wondering!!!

 

 

Hmmm.... I thought that forage crops like alfalfa contained not only nitrogen,

but also calcium. Isn't that why you have to keep re-applying lime on pasture

and forage on acid soils -- to replenish the calcium that has been taken up by

the alfalfa and other forage crops?

 

ys

hkdd

 

> This must be

> due to the micro-floral growth in the digestive system and again

> the cosmic

> influence through the horns.

>

> Lot of research has been done and it is an accepted fact that the

> urine and

> dung from a cow is better than that of the bull. This again will

> reflect on

> the digestive system and the filling in the horns of the cow.

> Especially of

> a lactating cow - its very special. Even a chromatography done on

> a filter

> paper with silver nitrate shows better strength in cow manure

> compared to

> that of the bulls.

>

> Many villagers allow their cows especially when it is in the

> later stages

> of its pregnancy, to walk around their land as they believe that

> their land

> becomes reactivated by the hoof prints of the cow. The

> relationship of cow

> to land is a very complex and unique one, most of it is not

> obvious to the

> kali yuga minds and eyes, I guess.

>

> Y/s JCD

>

>

> Syamasundara (das) (Bhaktivedanta Manor - UK)

> [syamasundara (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

> Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:10 PM

> JC; Mark Middle Mountain; Cow (Protection and related issues)

> RE: Fungus symbiosis as replacement for chemical fertilizers

>

>

> I am note sure it is right in saying that the bull horn is hollow

> rightthrough. One of our bulls lost his horn and his inner horn

> was significantly

> smaller than the outer horn. Unfortunately we never found the

> outer horn and

> so I cannot say for sure but it seams that the outer horn must

> have had some

> filling in the tips much to the same degree as a cow.

>

> Do you or others on this conference have any experience in this

> matter.

> ys syam

>

>

> -----------------------

> To from this mailing list, send an email to:

> Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net

>

[Guest guest]

> Many villagers allow their cows especially when it is in the later stages

> of its pregnancy, to walk around their land as they believe that their

> land becomes reactivated by the hoof prints of the cow. The relationship

> of cow to land is a very complex and unique one, most of it is not obvious

> to the kali yuga minds and eyes, I guess.

 

Nowadays many cows are de-horned at birth. I guess that must have an adverse

affect on many things. I wonder if it affects the disinfectant quality of

the dung. I dont suppose there have been any studies done?

 

YS Samba das

[Guest guest]

> Hmmm.... I thought that forage crops like alfalfa contained not only

nitrogen, but also calcium. Isn't that why you have to keep re-applying

lime on pasture and forage on acid soils -- to replenish the calcium that

has been taken up by the alfalfa and other forage crops?<

 

Not exactly. You can get calcium from gypsum, but limestone balances

acidity, caused by soil reverting to type, or application of acids in the

form of chemical fertilisers.