Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Krishna's pet oxen are Padma gandha ( fragrant like a lotus)and Pishigandha( reddish eyed). Vyaghra ( Tiger) and Bramarka ( Bumblebee) are Krishna's two pet dogs. Tungi is Radha's chubby pet calf. Dadhilobha ( greedy for yogurt) is Krishna's pet monkey Sunada ( auspicious roaring, Yamuna and Bahula ( large body) are Radha's three most important Surabhi cows. Radha's pet swan is Tundikeri ( playing with the beak) . Kalasvana ( soft sweet sound) is Krishna's pet swan. Krishna's favourite Surabhi cowsa are Mangala ( auspicious) Pingali ( yellow) Ganga , Pishangi ( reddish) Manikastani ( jeweled chest) Hamsi ( white swan) and Vansi- priya ( the lover of the flute) Madhuri ( sweetness) is Radha's own pet elephant and They have pet parrots and birds and deer and monkeys-- >From Sri Sri Radha Krishna gaoddesha dipika by Srilla Rupa Goswami incorporated with artwork into a delihghtful calender by Bimla Devi Dasi. - Rohita dasa <talavan (AT) fnbop (DOT) com> Niscala Devidasi <niscala89 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; Cow (Protection and related issues) Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Sunday, September 09, 2001 8:50 PM Re: an alternative to cow slaughter milk > Dear Niscala devi; > Please accept my obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada. > > When Srila Prabhupada visited New Talavan in 1975 he described how the cow > was to be care for in a village setting. What you have described is similar > except he also told how to process the milk in a communal manner. Each > family having a few cows, that are collected up in the morning, after > milking, by a few of the children and taken to graze. Then in the evening > returned to their family who then milked them. > > However, there is one discrepancy, that cow is not a pet. > > Perhaps you have chosen the wrong word. In the English Dictionary 'pet ' is > described as, > 1. An animal kept for amusement or companionship. > 2. Any object of the affections. > 3. A person especially cherished or indulged, a favorite. > > The second and third meanings are not applicable as the second refers to an > object and the third to human beings. In reference to animals it is used to > imply amusement and companionship. > > A cow that is kept by a family must be seen as a member of that family and > cared for as if it was such. It is a distinct family member with its own > requirements, likes and dislikes just as any other member of the family. > Pets you may tire of and give/sell to someone else, but not a family member! > Could you give your daughter away just because she does not come up to the > standards you have set for her in your mind - I think not! No you love her, > she may have some fault - but to you that fault is one of the things that > makes her distinct - it is part of her character, part of what you love. > Similarly with a cow to send her away because she eats too much or any other > apparent fault, no - you will undergo so much austerity to met her need. > ys, > Rohita dasa > > - > "Niscala Devidasi" <niscala89 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> > <markjon11 > > Cc: "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Sunday, September 09, 2001 8:21 AM > Re: an alternative to cow slaughter milk > > > > > > > > > > > > >Again, the family model will run into problems, as > > >unless the land is secured and most needs are taken > > >from the land then there will be a need to seek income > > >from outside and the milk/cow system could become an > > >ordeal. > > > > Its hardly an ordeal, milking one cow, and caring for four others. A job > > easily done by mum, or even the older kids, while dad works fulltime on > > something else, either a job or cropping- either with tractor or with > > preferable bullocks. But the benefit is, it does not require any lifestyle > > change, or very little. It is not that much work, does not require much > > land, and is manageable by a family. You say "what about holidays", but > > every dairy farmer has this problem. But with such a small amount of > > animals, it is possible a neighbour will help, in return for milk. Very > > possible. > > > > I prefer this going small, because one can be sure of the market first. > The > > future of the cows is safer, as all their food requirements are provided > by > > the land they are on. I am really really wary of large-scale production, > but > > at the same time, this sort of small-time thing is happening anyway in > > Australia, so its not pie-in-the-sky. Devotees with land every now and > then > > breed a cow, and give milk to the neighbours. But they don't put money > aside > > for their lifetime protection. So when the cow is non-productive, and the > > person wants to sell or move, then the cows future is uncertain. Sometimes > > it is neglected. Usually there is a nice devotee somewhere who takes all > the > > unwanted cows, but its a very uncertain enterprise, and milk is still so > > hard to come by. And the point is, the cows are unwanted, because they are > a > > financial burden in their old age. > > > > But if from the outset, all milk sale money goes into a trust account, > they > > are not a financial burden. They have paid their way in life, and are a > most > > wonderful pet and supplier of manure for the garden in their old age...if > > they are passed onto another devotee, their trust fund is also passed on, > so > > that devotee can care for them without feeling burdened. > > > > I wonder if you have taken everything into account with your large scale > > theory. It sounds impersonal to me. Where is the love that accompanies a > > family-owned cow? What if the market dwindles? What if your figures are > > wrong? What about inflation, dollar devaluation, rise in the cost of feed > > and so many other factors? What about your huge barn needing repairs? What > > about the workers demanding a rise in pay? And if you raise the price of > > milk in response, then the market dwindles...better to go small, with no > one > > relying on milk sales for their livelihood or for their jobs, and the cows > > being highly useful pets of the family. > > > > Does this make any sense? I'd be interested in feedback from others too. > > > > ys, Niscala > > > > > > _______________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 - "Nirguna" <adri108 (AT) cal3 (DOT) vsnl.net.in> "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Sunday, September 09, 2001 11:37 AM Radha and Krishna's pets > Krishna's pet oxen are Padma gandha ( fragrant like a lotus)and Pishigandha( > reddish eyed). > Vyaghra ( Tiger) and Bramarka ( Bumblebee) are Krishna's two pet dogs. > Tungi is Radha's chubby pet calf. > Dadhilobha ( greedy for yogurt) is Krishna's pet monkey > Sunada ( auspicious roaring, Yamuna and Bahula ( large body) are Radha's three > most important Surabhi cows. > > Radha's pet swan is Tundikeri ( playing with the beak) . Kalasvana ( soft sweet > sound) is Krishna's pet swan. > Krishna's favourite Surabhi cowsa are Mangala ( auspicious) Pingali ( yellow) > Ganga , Pishangi ( reddish) > Manikastani ( jeweled chest) Hamsi ( white swan) and Vansi- priya ( the lover > of the flute) > Madhuri ( sweetness) is Radha's own pet elephant and They have pet parrots and > birds and deer and monkeys-- > > >From Sri Sri Radha Krishna gaoddesha dipika by Srilla Rupa Goswami incorporated > with artwork into a delihghtful calender > by Bimla Devi Dasi. Yes Sri Krishna can do this because we are all His children He will never become bored with us - but for us mortals if we do not treat those animals entrusted to us as our family members we will certainly send them down the yellow brick road. Oh, you have a copy of the Çré Çré Rädhä-kåñëa-gaëoddeça-dépikä, I have been trying to find out where to get a copy of it for a long time , where did you get yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2001 Report Share Posted September 10, 2001 - Nirguna <adri108 (AT) cal3 (DOT) vsnl.net.in> Rohita dasa <talavan (AT) fnbop (DOT) com> Monday, September 10, 2001 8:30 AM Re: Radha and Krishna's pets > Dear Prabhu, > Pranam. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. > The posting was not meant to be a rejoinder. > However, if childern are taught to responsibly care for any of His > creatures-- which seems a very natural childhood tendency- it might foster > feeling for an atitude of compassion that matures into a spirit of > service.( vs explotation) as the Truth. > Then " pandit sama darshana........" ,"sama sarveshu buteshu." ...., > "ishvara sarvabhutanam hridaya arjuna tistati".... etc. c may be > practically FELT. > > I am sure even a herdsman with all understanding of responsibility has his > favourite or pet " family member". > > " Not to hurt our humble bretheren is our first duty to > them, but to stop there is not enough. > We have a higher mission--- to be of service to them whenever they require > it." --St Francis of Assisi. > > Sorry , I do not have the book- just gave the reference from the calender. > But if I do come across a copy will be sure to inform you. > ys > Nirguna Dasi. > > - > Rohita dasa <talavan (AT) fnbop (DOT) com> > Nirguna <adri108 (AT) cal3 (DOT) vsnl.net.in>; <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Monday, September 10, 2001 3:17 AM > Re: Radha and Krishna's pets > > > > > > - > > "Nirguna" <adri108 (AT) cal3 (DOT) vsnl.net.in> > > "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > > Sunday, September 09, 2001 11:37 AM > > Radha and Krishna's pets > > > > > > > Krishna's pet oxen are Padma gandha ( fragrant like a lotus)and > > Pishigandha( > > > reddish eyed). > > > Vyaghra ( Tiger) and Bramarka ( Bumblebee) are Krishna's two pet dogs. > > > Tungi is Radha's chubby pet calf. > > > Dadhilobha ( greedy for yogurt) is Krishna's pet monkey > > > Sunada ( auspicious roaring, Yamuna and Bahula ( large body) are Radha's > > three > > > most important Surabhi cows. > > > > > > Radha's pet swan is Tundikeri ( playing with the beak) . Kalasvana > soft > > sweet > > > sound) is Krishna's pet swan. > > > Krishna's favourite Surabhi cowsa are Mangala ( auspicious) Pingali ( > > yellow) > > > Ganga , Pishangi ( reddish) > > > Manikastani ( jeweled chest) Hamsi ( white swan) and Vansi- priya the > > lover > > > of the flute) > > > Madhuri ( sweetness) is Radha's own pet elephant and They have pet > > parrots and > > > birds and deer and monkeys-- > > > > > > >From Sri Sri Radha Krishna gaoddesha dipika by Srilla Rupa Goswami > > incorporated > > > with artwork into a delihghtful calender > > > by Bimla Devi Dasi. > > > > Yes Sri Krishna can do this because we are all His children He will never > > become bored with us - but for us mortals if we do not treat those animals > > entrusted to us as our family members we will certainly send them down the > > yellow brick road. > > > > Oh, you have a copy of the Çré Çré Rädhä-kåñëa-gaëoddeça-dépikä, I have > been > > trying to find out where to get a copy of it for a long time , where did > you > > get yours? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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