Guest guest Posted September 21, 2001 Report Share Posted September 21, 2001 Dear conference, I thought I'd like to share with you all an anecdote of rural life in Tucuman, Argentina during what can only be called an economic collapse. This could well be relevant to many 1st world devotees as Argentina itself was the 6th richest country in the world only 80 years ago. Such economic misery that the Great Depression brought about may not be too far away. As devotees know on this conference, I am not a scare monger for "end of the world, run to the hills", but when facts are facts one must respond. Whilst many of the details may seem to be "the worst of karmis", much can be learnt from there life. In the centre of Argentina is found a small state called Tucuman. This, and the surrounding states, have temperatures of upto 50 C (110 F) in the summer, and in the winter it will rise to between 20-30 C (70-90 F) in the day and 0-10 C (30-50 F). Whilst the land is arid bush, there is ample rain in the summer and a wide range of crops can be grown all year round. It lies at the end of the great Argentine pampas, over 3000 km of flat land, going from humid to arid zones. Then the foothills and mountains of the Andes cordilleras spring up. In the rural outback live people very simply, devout, superstituos, traditional and simple. Whilst there a man came from Tucuman city to sell cleaning solutions. His face was pure anxiety. In contrast to the faces of the locals there was no comparisson. The locals, due to bad education, had poor teath, poor health and looked rough and ready, but they had a simplicity of contentment that knew no bounds. The city man had nothing but tales of economic hardship, no jobs, no money, how it was impossible to pay the bills and to raise his children - to eat, to have shelter for married life whilst protecting ones interests. Very few people go hungry in Argentina, why should they it is a country a little smaller than the US with less than 40 million people, where as the US has lamost 300 million. The land is rich and fertile, cows are everywhere and nourish the bodies of the locals (we may disagree, but that is how it is). For people looking to emigrate from the US, EU and other danger spots, Latin America is a very good bet, mostly if you are in rural areas. The air system in the northern hemisphere mix little with that from the south, so any nuclear or biological warfare would leave the south more in safety. As with Australia, the population density is very low, but there is a wider distribution in Argentina than many places - it used to be developed, and has always profited from developed-world wars. The moral of the story here is that the rural people were entirely immune from the economic chaos engulfing the country. They owned on average 10 hectares of land, most of it bush, they went about the land on "sirkos", one horse carriages, or on bareback on horses. They were connected to electricity and television and mobile phones, but were quite aware that they could do with out them, they did before, they could again. It was not too long ago. Heating was from a wood stove and social life was round a campfire with a gutiar, dancing and home made brews. Food was animal (cow, chicken or pig) with home grown corn intercropped with pumpkins. Pest control was via "cura palabra", known to us as withcraft - taking the insect and hexing it, which would then remove all the insects from the area. So with just the above ingredients there food needs were met. Water was from a well that each household had. This may all seem very familiar to many in the US or in other former collonies. That is why it is relevant to us, more so than India, because at the end of the day no matter how much we absorb other cultures we still harbenger the simple things that we grew up with. And at the end of the day, it may well be much more difficult for "whities" to live in other cultures in Asia or Arabia, or Africa; just as the corollary may be true. Another major factor is that people are used to working hard for little recompense, they know how to work the land, how to build simple shelter and contraptions to aid in farming. They may not have a diverse farming system suitable for the lacto-vegetarian diet, but many stepping stones are there to aid. Such may not be easily found now in more developed countries where farmers are subsidy-agrochemical-mechanisation junkies and whilst rural life may be simple compared to LA or New York, it is extremely complex compared to 3rd world rural life. Quite a few issues are raised here, and I hope you enjoyed the anecdote and the lessons that we can learn from it. I have others too, similar but different that I may share if wanted. Mark --- "ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA)" <ISCOWP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote: > Dear prabhus, > > PAMHO. AGTSP. > > In reference to our previous text, I am expressing > my thoughts on how we can > proceed.If whoever wants to will put their thoughts > in as to what is the first > priority to discuss. > > When we did the standards I played the role of > chairman/organizer and recorder. > I think it was last year that we formed another > private conference to discuss > how to get devotees on the land. The discussion > died. I think when we have an > open forum it helps to keep things going. We have a > lot of experienced devotees > on the conference and enough young persons who are > interested in this so that > we can get a good perspective. > > Some may think, oh waht is the use, the GBC will > probably not accept the > proposal and even if they do nothing will come of > it. My answer is that if they > don't accept it we all still have a plan to present > to others. If they do > accept it we can use the weight of that to get > cooperation from disciples of > gurus etc. who have money. So the plan should be > also usable regardless of GBC > approval. The Standards, except for the management > section, is usualble on any > cow protection facility. > > Please feel free to express thoughts. This is > becoming a time for a great need > for KC rural communities like never before. > > Your servant, > Chayadevi > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? 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