Guest guest Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Although the dictionary meaning of the word fanatic is fine we don't want to use that word for Prabhupada. It is a mind bite word. It brings to mind those people and organizations that had mass suicides with thier leaders organizing it, etc. etc. I organized this conference in 1993 for the pupose of sharing knowledge of a practical sort. Also it is very nice to share stories and feelings pertaining to the service of cows and the land. Sometimes we get into political issues concerning these subjects but we should keep that at a minimum unless we have a plan how to change things. In other words I don't want words or language being used that can be easily misinterpreted and creates a "mind bite" and that eventually creates bickering amongst the members of this conference. Don't we already have enough of that in ISKCON and the rest of the devotee world? There are so many platforms where this can go on, but not in the cow conference. This conference was highly active since 1993 to about 2001. Then somone came on the conference who spewed language like this. Eventually, since I allowed him to go on, other devotees requested to get off the conference because it had developed a lot of bickering. I finally took him off the conference but it was too late. This is the first time there has been stong activity in a long time and I don't want the same thing to happen and I don't want to have to remove anyone. So. I am addressing the issue early when it is not yet serious. So rules for the conference for everyone: 1) Explain yourself clearly, try not to resort to mind bites that will most often get an emotional response 2) Be sensitive that the members of this conference have viewpoints that differ, often greatly. So when presenting something keep in mind that there are those who will not agree intially. Think that if you present this logically and in a passive voice, perhaps they will see the substantiailty of your points instead of taking offense. I have also been guilty of speaking "emotive" in the past and will also try to do better. In an e-mail conference setting it can all be misinterpreted and we need to be more careful. Your servant, Chayadevi Visit us at: www.iscowp.org > [Original Message] > billy bob buckwheat <d_4h (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> > Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > 12/29/2003 1:40:03 AM > Re: Giving up on Commercial Milk saves cows? > > [This message was in HTML format] > > > >Prabhupäda: So if there is more milk, you can sell more, get money. > > > > > >hmm. Srila Prabhupada was always perfectly logical and practical. Although he > >was the purest devotee on the planet and basically wrote the rules which we > >attampt to live by, he was in no way a fanatic. He was always practical. > > I'm sorry Gopal, but I felt Prabhupada as a fanatic..... and when I look in my > dictionary it says... (fanatic-- inspired by a deity : Marked by excessive > enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion.) I don't think of fanatic as > something bad... As has some have made it. > > > >This is not that we endeavor to make so many pregnant cows and so much milk > >to sell, but if the cows are there and the milk is there, of course, we can > >sell it. > > > > Exactly................ > > Hare Krsna Gopal,.... > > ys, Derek- > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access - limited time > only! Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months > @$9.95/month! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 ------------------------------ Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-path: <Dasgopal (AT) aol (DOT) com> Dasgopal (AT) aol (DOT) com Full-name: Dasgopal Message-ID: <1e0.16a9105b.2d25a2e6 (AT) aol (DOT) com> Thu, 1 Jan 2004 11:20:54 EST Re: rules for this conference Ekabuddh (AT) aol (DOT) com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1072974053" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5007 -------------------------------1072974053 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While arguing and expressing a difference of opinion or understanding is certainly healthy, I would not say that general bickering is. While it should be tolorated (or else we will all eventually be kicked out) It should not be promoted. The example, in the present context, is my use of the words "not a fanatic" to descrive Srila Prabhupada. While I meant it in the general use of the word (ie: uncompromising), Derek, argued back that his understanding of the word "fanatic" (one of several varried deffinitions available in the dictionary) was different. Thus in arguing about my use of a single word in my post, he and perhaps others who were caught up in the resultent discussion (of which this is also a continuation and has nothing to do with cows-the purpose of this conference) missed my point. That point being that Srila Prabhupada said different and sometimes contridictory things (Never sell milk - Good, we are selling milk) according to time, place, and circumstance. Thus he was not "uncompromising." So, although bickering (or discussion) can open eyes, unnecessary nit-picking, bickering for the sake of bickering, or argument that is motivated more by compulsion to argue with others than to understand another's side or our own, can also be the sand that blinds those eyes-distracting us from the other persons underlying point. Let's talk about cows now : ) --Gopal In a message dated 1/1/2004 5:00:37 AM Central Standard Time, Ekabuddh (AT) aol (DOT) com writes: In a message dated 12/31/03 8:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, d_4h (AT) hotmail (DOT) com writes: > I think its quite healthy to bicker, ....and to avoid it is trying to draw > a false reality around us... It sometimes brings forth the truth and also > helps to grow... and mature from the experience... d-4 has brought up a most excellent point. Based on the very true words he puts forth above, I am not clear on why he would want to withdraw from the conference? obeisances ekaBuddhi ----------------------- To from this mailing list, send an email to: Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net -------------------------------1072974053 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><HEAD> <META charset=3DUTF-8 http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charse= t=3Dutf-8"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2723.2500" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fffff= f"> <DIV> <DIV>While arguing and expressing a difference of opinion or understanding i= s certainly healthy, I would not say that general bickering is. While it sho= uld be tolorated (or else we will all eventually be kicked out) It should no= t be promoted. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The example, in the present context, is my use of the words "not a fana= tic" to descrive Srila Prabhupada. While I meant it in the general use=20= of the word (ie: uncompromising), Derek, argued back that his understanding=20= of the word "fanatic" (one of several varried deffinitions available in= the dictionary) was different. Thus in arguing about my use of a single wor= d in my post, he and perhaps others who were caught up in the resultent = ;discussion (of which this is also a continuation and has nothing to do with= cows-the purpose of this conference) missed my point. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That point being that Srila Prabhupada said different and sometimes con= tridictory things (Never sell milk - Good, we are selling milk) according to= time, place, and circumstance. Thus he was not "uncompromising." </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, although bickering (or discussion) can open eyes, unnecessary=20= nit-picking, bickering for the sake of bickering, or argument that is m= otivated more by compulsion to argue with others than to understan= d another's side or our own, can also be the sand that blinds those eyes-dis= tracting us from the other persons underlying point.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Let's talk about cows now : )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>--Gopal</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 1/1/2004 5:00:37 AM Central Standard Time, Ekabuddh@= aol.com writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20= 2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>In a message dated 12/31/03 8:04:12 PM Eastern= Standard Time, <BR>d_4h (AT) hotmail (DOT) com writes:<BR><BR><BR>> I think its qui= te healthy to bicker, ....and to avoid it is trying to draw <BR>> a false= reality around us... It sometimes brings forth the truth and also <BR>>=20= helps to grow... and mature from the experience... <BR><BR>d-4 has brought u= p a most excellent point. Based on the very true words he <BR>puts for= th above, I am not clear on why he would want to withdraw from the <BR>confe= rence?<BR>obeisances ekaBuddhi <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-------------------------= -------------------------------<BR>To from this mailing list, se= nd an email to:<BR>Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML> -------------------------------1072974053-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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