Guest guest Posted October 10, 2001 Report Share Posted October 10, 2001 Dear Prabhus, I agree with Hare Krsna , Syamasundara, and Madhava Gosh prabhus on the prinicple of KISS and in answer to Syamasundara prabhu's request to have a format simple like the Standards, I submitted the previous outline. We need to go forth with an outline or format that is simple. One reason is that the GBC will not deal with something that is too complex and the most important thing is that we have a very good chance on getting it accepted by them. With the standards we all had to compromise at one point or another in the light of what would be most likely to be accepted-not that we compromised the principles involved but let go on some finer points. The deadline is Dec 1 so what is everyone's feeling on the outline submitted by me. If someone has a better outline, please bring forth. There are so many wonderful ideas being written on this conference as to different points that I so much want to contain them in some format as soon as possible. Your servant, Chayadevi - "Noma T. Petroff" <npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu> "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Thursday, October 11, 2001 9:49 AM RDP Principles - clarity needed > I agree with Syamasundara's point. The wording is so dense and convoluted, I > have not been able to even read it. We need a style-editor here to clean > things > up. I think Syamasundara is pointing us in the right direction. > > We need wording which is inspiring -- not daunting -- to average farmers. Even > the GBC won't read it if it is not clear. > > Let's go for clarity -- or, to put it in Will Strunk's famous statement, "Omit > needless words! Omit needless words! Omit needless words!" > > your servant, > > Hare Krsna dasi > > "Syamasundara (das) (Bhaktivedanta Manor - UK)" wrote: > > > I find this approach too mind bogling and confusing. > > > > We need something clear and simple to be pased. > > > > The standards were simple and clear and broad. > > > > For example some principles could be: > > > > -Tenants of ISKCON land who are primary participants in land use ie > > horticulture, agriculture etc.. cannot be removed from their household > > security without Ministry of Agriculture permission. > > > > -Land use must be at least to the standards of Low External Imputs > > Sustainable Agriculture. > > > > -Temples are oblidged to buy produce from ISKCON land users depending on > > availability and need. > > > > -ISKCON land users cannot lose their land tenancy on the basis of sadhana or > > breach of three regulative principles (not including meat eating). > > > > Obviously these are loose chuck it in the discussion sentances and are not > > complete. But I think we need to make simple principles that have real > > relevance to ISKCON land users. I think our focus has to be there first > > because we know that is the only place the GBC can have any influence. What > > ISKCON members do on their own bought land is outside our real influence > > although if we could help set up a market within ISKCON for their produce > > that would also be useful. > > > > Once the ball is rolling on the principles idea we can brain storm the full > > array of principles we need. > > > > ys syam > > > > ys syam > > -- > Noma Petroff > Academic Department Coordinator > BOWDOIN COLLEGE > Department of Theater & Dance > 9100 College Station > Brunswick ME 04011-8491 > > Phone: (207) 725-3663 > FAX: (207) 725-3372 > e-mail: npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 I agree with Syamasundara's point. The wording is so dense and convoluted, I have not been able to even read it. We need a style-editor here to clean things up. I think Syamasundara is pointing us in the right direction. We need wording which is inspiring -- not daunting -- to average farmers. Even the GBC won't read it if it is not clear. Let's go for clarity -- or, to put it in Will Strunk's famous statement, "Omit needless words! Omit needless words! Omit needless words!" your servant, Hare Krsna dasi "Syamasundara (das) (Bhaktivedanta Manor - UK)" wrote: > I find this approach too mind bogling and confusing. > > We need something clear and simple to be pased. > > The standards were simple and clear and broad. > > For example some principles could be: > > -Tenants of ISKCON land who are primary participants in land use ie > horticulture, agriculture etc.. cannot be removed from their household > security without Ministry of Agriculture permission. > > -Land use must be at least to the standards of Low External Imputs > Sustainable Agriculture. > > -Temples are oblidged to buy produce from ISKCON land users depending on > availability and need. > > -ISKCON land users cannot lose their land tenancy on the basis of sadhana or > breach of three regulative principles (not including meat eating). > > Obviously these are loose chuck it in the discussion sentances and are not > complete. But I think we need to make simple principles that have real > relevance to ISKCON land users. I think our focus has to be there first > because we know that is the only place the GBC can have any influence. What > ISKCON members do on their own bought land is outside our real influence > although if we could help set up a market within ISKCON for their produce > that would also be useful. > > Once the ball is rolling on the principles idea we can brain storm the full > array of principles we need. > > ys syam > > ys syam -- Noma Petroff Academic Department Coordinator BOWDOIN COLLEGE Department of Theater & Dance 9100 College Station Brunswick ME 04011-8491 Phone: (207) 725-3663 FAX: (207) 725-3372 e-mail: npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 Dear Chayadevi et al, My gosh, you really need to be payed to do this work full time! I had no idea the deadline was so near otherwise I would not have put an esoteric part in there (not that it is invalid). I will do my best to read your outline, comment, and keep to the principle of KISS - what is KISS? Let's hope we get something that will be of serious value in the future. Mark Make a great connection at Personals. http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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