Vrndavana, Mayapura - still producing unwanted bull calves

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Emergency Proposal for GBC

 

yatra yatra dvijä gävo

vedä varëäçrama-kriyäù

taà taà janapadaà yäta

sandépayata våçcata

SB 7.2.12

 

SYNONYMS

yatra yatra-wherever; dvijäù-the brähmaëas; gävaù-the protected cows;

vedäù-the Vedic culture; varëa-äçrama-of the Äryan civilization of four

varëas and four äçramas; kriyäù-the activities; tam tam-that; jana-padam-to

the city or town; yäta-go; sandépayata-set fire; våçcata-cut down (all the

trees).

 

TRANSLATION

Immediately go wherever there is good protection for the cows and brähmaëas

and wherever the Vedas are studied in terms of the varëäçrama principles.

Set fire to those places and cut from the roots the trees there, which are

the source of life.

 

PURPORT

The picture of a proper human civilization is indirectly described here. In

a perfect human civilization there must be a class of men fully trained as

perfect brähmaëas. Similarly, there must be kñatriyas to rule the country

very nicely according to the injunctions of the çästras, and there must be

vaiçyas who can protect the cows. The word gävaù indicates that cows should

be given protection. Because the Vedic civilization is lost, cows are not

protected, but instead indiscriminately killed in slaughterhouses. Such are

the acts of demons. Therefore this is a demoniac civilization. The

varëäçrama-dharma mentioned here is essential for human civilization. Unless

there is a brähmaëa to guide, a kñatriya to rule perfectly, and a perfect

vaiçya to produce food and protect the cows, how will people live

peacefully? It is impossible.

 

Another point is that trees also should be given protection. During its

lifetime, a tree should not be cut for industrial enterprises. In Kali-yuga,

trees are indiscriminately and unnecessarily cut for industry, in particular

for paper mills that manufacture a profuse quantity of paper for the

publication of demoniac propaganda, nonsensical literature, huge quantities

of newspapers and many other paper products. This is a sign of a demoniac

civilization. The cutting of trees is prohibited unless necessary for the

service of Lord Viñëu. Yajïärthät karmaëo'nyatra loko'yaà karma-bandhanaù:

[bg. 3.9]) "work done as a sacrifice for Lord Viñëu must be performed,

otherwise work binds one to this material world." But if the paper mills

stop producing paper, one may argue, how can our ISKCON literature be

published? The answer is that the paper mills should manufacture paper only

for the publication of ISKCON literature because ISKCON literature is

published for the service of Lord Viñëu. This literature clarifies our

relationship with Lord Viñëu, and therefore the publication of ISKCON

literature is the performance of yajïa. Yajïärthät karmaëo 'nyatra loko 'yaà

karma-bandhanaù [bg. 3.9]). Yajïa must be performed, as indicated by the

superior authorities. The cutting of trees simply to manufacture paper for

the publication of unwanted literature is the greatest sinful act.

SB 7.2.12

 

 

påñadhras tu manoù putro

go-pälo guruëä kåtaù

pälayäm äsa gä yatto

rätryäà véräsana-vrataù

 

SYNONYMS

påñadhraù tu-among them, Påñadhra; manoù-of Manu; putraù-the son;

go-pälaù-herding cows; guruëä-by the order of his spiritual master;

kåtaù-having been engaged; pälayäm äsa-he protected; gäù-cows; yattaù-so

engaged; rätryäm-at night; véräsana-vrataù-taking the vow of véräsana,

standing with a sword.

 

TRANSLATION

Among these sons, Påñadhra, following the order of his spiritual master, was

engaged as a protector of cows. He would stand all night with a sword to

give the cows protection.

 

PURPORT

One who becomes véräsana takes the vow to stand all night with a sword to

give protection to the cows. Because Påñadhra was engaged in this way, it is

to be understood that he had no dynasty. We can further understand from this

vow accepted by Påñadhra how essential it is to protect the cows. Some son

of a kñatriya would take this vow to protect the cows from ferocious

animals, even at night. What then is to be said of sending cows to

slaughterhouses? This is the most sinful activity in human society.

SB 9.2.4

 

 

kaccit paçavyaà nirujaà

bhüry-ambu-tåëa-vérudham

båhad vanaà tad adhunä

yaträsse tvaà suhåd-våtaù

 

SYNONYMS

kaccit-whether; paçavyam-protection of the cows; nirujam-without

difficulties or disease; bhüri-sufficient; ambu-water; tåëa-grass;

vérudham-plants; båhat vanam-the great forest; tat-all these arrangements

are there; adhunä-now; yatra-where; ässe-are living; tvam-you;

suhåt-våtaù-surrounded by friends.

 

TRANSLATION

My dear friend Nanda Mahäräja, in the place where you are living with your

friends, is the forest favorable for the animals, the cows? I hope there is

no disease or inconvenience. The place must be full of water, grass and

other plants.

 

PURPORT

For human happiness, one must care for the animals, especially the cows.

Vasudeva therefore inquired whether there was a good arrangement for the

animals where Nanda Mahäräja lived. For the proper pursuit of human

happiness, there must be arrangements for the protection of cows. This means

that there must be forests and adequate pasturing grounds full of grass and

water. If the animals are happy, there will be an ample supply of milk, from

which human beings will benefit by deriving many milk products with which to

live happily. As enjoined in Bhagavad-gétä (18.44), kåñi-go-rakñya-väëijyaà

vaiçya-karma-svabhävajam. Without giving proper facilities to the animals,

how can human society be happy? That people are raising cattle to send to

the slaughterhouse is a great sin. By this demoniac enterprise, people are

ruining their chance for a truly human life. Because they are not giving any

importance to the instructions of Kåñëa, the advancement of their so-called

civilization resembles the crazy efforts of men in a lunatic asylum.

SB 10.5.27

 

EMERGENCY PROPOSAL

 

Vrndavan & Mayapura:

Effective immediately:

Limit cows bred to 5 per year.

Increase land holdings OF THE COWS or at least establish fund to do so.

 

Effective by years end:

Adopt a cow program established: That by end of year all male animals are

named, with an adoptive family to act as their personal guardian and by the

end of the first quarter of next year all females are similarly treated.

 

Punishment:

1. Removal of Temple President and the appointment of a new Board ofs if no action has taken place by Gaura Purnima CE 516,

 

2. Replacement of officers and their proposed correction procedures must be

reviewed by Ministry of Agriculture.

 

-

"Noma T. Petroff" <npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu>

"Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

Cc: "Niscala Devidasi" <niscala89 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

Monday, October 15, 2001 9:53 AM

Vrndavana, Mayapura - still producing unwanted bull calves

 

 

> Fifteen new calves per year at Vrndavana still sounds like way too many,

if we

> believe they have insufficient land and feed for the current population.

>

> The other fundamental question is: Are the bull calves being trained for

work?

> Or is this another case of sex for sense gratification (i.e., milk) while

the

> actually progeny (about 7 new bull calves per year) are unwanted.

>

> It appears that in Mayapur the unwanted bulls will be given away, while in

> Vrndavana the unwanted bulls will be squeezed into the already overcrowded

> conditions. Vrndavana's situation sounds only a tiny bit better than

> Mayapura's, because all of us on the cow conference know that the

production of

> unwanted bull calves is not ultimately sustainable. Eventually, these

animals

> will also be abused or sold to slaughter.

>

> The Ministry's Minimum Cow Protection Standards require that there be a

firm

> plan for the lifetime training and care of the resulting calf, especially

the

> resulting bull calf, before a cow can be bred. It doesn't sound like

Vrndavana

> is meeting this standard.

>

> If they are determined to break this standard, wouldn't it at least be

better

> to

> limit the breeding to 5 cows per year?

>

> your servant,

>

> Hare Krsna dasi

>

>

>

> "ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA)" wrote:

>

> > Dear Niscala Prabhu,

> >

> > PAMHO. AGTSP.

> >

> > First the good news: Vrndavana is current with their cow reports and has

now

> > numbered and named all their cows, breeding has been reduced to 15 a

year, a

> > land development plan for some of the goshalla land of housing for

lease

> > and profits thereof to go to the purchase of more land is being put into

> > place, and cows of the Thakapur indigenous breed have been purchased as

the

> > only ones to be bred from now on.

> >

> > 2nd: The bad news: Mayapur is current in their cow reports, all cows

were

> > named and numbered, but animals are still being gvien away starting

again

> > this last quarter. Attempts at communication has produced silence.

> >

> > Your servant,

> > Chayadevi

> > -

> > "Niscala Devidasi" <niscala89 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

> > "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> > Saturday, October 13, 2001 9:47 AM

> > question to ISCOWP

> >

> > > Dear Chayadevi,

> > >

> > > I just read in the GBC resolutions:

> > >

> > > If the Minister of Cow Protection and Agriculture does not receive

reports

> > > from either Vrindavan or Mayapur temples regularly during 2001,

starting

> > on

> > > the above date, then all breeding, purchasing, and acceptance of

donations

> > > of cows shall be stopped for the delinquent temple until proper

compliance

> > > is met.

> > >

> > > Have reports been received as yet, or has breeding stopped?

> > >

> > > ys, Niscala

> > >

> > >

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Prabhus,

 

PAMHO. AGTSP.

 

It is very exciting to see all the different topics on the conference. Let

me sumerize them for all of us.

 

1) VRDP

2) Proposals to the GBC

a) Mayapur/Vrndavana

b) Hold on ISKCON land obligations

c) Budget for Ministry activities

 

It looks like we need to make more than one proposal at the Dec 1 meetings.

Lets's concentrate on the Mayapur/Vrndavana issue first since we should

carry through with last year's accepted proposal and its ramifications.

 

I like the proposal suggestion of Syamsundara's because it related to

breaking what is already ISKCON Law. I think it highly unlikely that a

temple president will be removed. Stoping the breeding is the main program

until they have a solution in place. So I see it as realistic.

 

NOw we must submit it as requested by the GBC. So I am submitting once again

the proposal form. In this form we can suggest alternative means of income,

etc. for their 20 year plan or 5 year plan whatever we decide.

 

First do we agree with Syamsundara's as the most likely to get passed and do

we want to go ahead with his theme?

 

STANDARD FORMAT FOR GBC PROPOSALS

 

PROPOSAL NAME:

 

PROPOSED BY:

 

SPONSORED BY (GBC member):

 

CONTACTS (email, fax, address of proposer and sponsor):

 

DATE OF SUBMISSION:

 

PRESENTATION OF PROPOSAL: (maximum 300 words)

 

Whereas (Please write the facts and principles of your proposal; without

any arguments)

 

PRESENTATION OF RESOLUTION:

 

Resolved, That (Please write your proposal as a resolution for voting by the

GBC Body)

 

EXPLANATION:

 

Please give answers to the following questions:

 

1) What prompts you to submit this proposal?

 

2) Why this proposal is important for the success of ISKCON?

 

3) What would be the implications of implementing this proposal?

 

4) How do you see yourself contributing to the implementation?

 

5) What budget is needed?

 

7) What other levels of support?

 

 

GUIDELINES FOR WRITING A PROPOSAL:

 

1. Check if there are any existing GBC resolutions and laws related to your

proposal.

 

2. The wording should be as the accepted resolution would read should the

proposal be passed. A proposal shall not contain arguments but shall simply

express the principle. Arguments may be voiced during the discussion on the

proposal.

 

3. A proposal should express a single point or subject. Avoid having too

many components in one proposal. There may be several proposals on a related

topic.

 

4. Make your proposal as concise and short as possible.

 

5. As much as possible, follow the set standard wording listed in the

appendix below.

 

 

APPENDIX TO THE STANDARD FORM FOR GBC PROPOSALS

 

 

1. AMENDMENTS:

 

[iSKCON Law] THAT Resolution 108/1990 is amended to read as follows:

 

[iSKCON Law] THAT Resolution 108/1990 is repealed.

 

THAT the following resolutions be repealed: ...........

 

 

2. MISC. PERMISSION:

 

THAT permission is given to ISKCON Mayapur to .........

(under the following conditions):

 

THAT approval is given for Krsna Das to .........

(under the following conditions:)

 

 

3. CREATING COMMITTEES, MINISTRIES, BOARDS, ETC.:

 

[Definition as Standing Committee, etc.] "The (name of the Committee) is

established to (purpose).

 

The Members are: (list members and positions beginning with Chairman).

 

They are to: (list names and their respective duties with dates for

completion).

 

They are empowered to: (describe)

 

They are answerable to: (describe; include other details such as funding,

expense payments, meeting schedules, if the Committee is to disband on

completion of purpose, etc.)

 

 

4. ADDING/REMOVING MEMBERS TO COMMITTEES, MINISTRIES, ETC.:

 

[definition] "The following are added to/removed from the (name of

committee, ministry, etc.)

(list names when removing members and with their respective positions and

duties when adding members)."

 

 

5. APPOINTMENTS:

 

[definition] "THAT (name) is appointed as (name of position).

 

He is to (describe duties and responsibilities with dates of completion.)

He is empowered to: (describe)

He is answerable to: (describe)

(include other details such as funding, expense payments, etc.)"

 

 

6. INSTRUCTIONS TO COMMITTEES, MINISTRIES, ETC.:

 

[definition] "The (name of devotee/committee) will (describe duties) to be

completed by (date). He (They/It) is empowered to/is answerable to

(describe)."

 

 

7. STATEMENTS BY THE GBC BODY:

 

[definition] "The following is accepted as the GBC Body position on xx: ..."

[definition] "The GBC Body advises (ISKCON temples/members) that .."

[definition] "The GBC Body gives its approval for (describe)."

 

end

-

"Syamasundara (das) (Bhaktivedanta Manor - UK)"

<Syamasundara (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

"Rohita dasa" <talavan (AT) fnbop (DOT) com>; "Cow (Protection and related issues)"

<Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:34 PM

Re: Vrndavana, Mayapura - still producing unwanted bull calves

 

 

> Could I suggest a slightly different wording:

>

> Proposal:

>

> Mayapur. Whereas the Mayapur Temple and Goshalla have continued to breach

> the GBC minimum Cow protection Standards in that they are:

>

> "I Protection 1) Transferring Ownership where all the minimum staandards

> arn't observed"

>

> " II Organization of Cow care Facilities. 1) maintaining a centralized

> Goshalla without appropriate manpower, training, congregatonal support,

and

> Cow/Land Trust and 2) Breeding without consideration for land capacity

>

> with the consequences that mayapur has a breeding schedule that oblidges

the

> goshalla management to send cows to a non protected environment the

Ministry

> of Agriculture and cows proposes that:

>

> With immediate effect the breeding of cows stops until a satisfactory

> thorough 20 year plan is submitted to the Ministry of Cows and Agriculture

> demonstrating a breeding scheme that gives lifelong protection to all the

> progeny without course to sending any cows or oxen to outside persons.

>

> ys syam

[Guest guest]

> But that suggestion about developing an alternative economy based on urine

> medicines, etc hit the spot. Maybe Chayadevi could send that info by

Lavanga

> Latika to Prem Kishore. When I left, he was thinking about going this way,

> but needed more information about it. And maybe Lavanga Latika could be

> asked to share the formulas? That was PK's problem. He knew someone making

> these medicines, but they were adamant about keeping their formula a

secret,

> for obvious reasons.

> >your servant,

> >

> Niscala

 

I have forwarded Rohita prabhu's letter quote of labangalatika to Prem

Kishore. She is not on e-mail but I must write her soon about this topic and

waht she can find out for Prem Kishore since she offerred to help if she

could.

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

HKDD:

>

>The other fundamental question is: Are the bull calves being trained for

>work?

>Or is this another case of sex for sense gratification (i.e., milk)

 

In the case of Vrindavan it is not sense grat but the necessity to bring in

enough money to maintain the herd, on what is a very tight budget. This can

only be done by gradual reduction in the dependency on milk for income, thus

gradual reduction in breeding. Long-term solutions must be combined with

short-term necessity for providing facility and feed for the huge herd they

have inherited.

 

Yes, they train as many of the bulls as is feasible for the very limited

land they have. Bulls pump water, bulls transport the milk to the temple,

and other things as well, and bulls do all the ploughing. Not so with

Myapaur, every square inch is ploughed by tractor.

 

But as to whether 15 a year is still too much, I would have to agree.

 

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[Guest guest]

The practice of breeding cows primarily to produce milk is *specifically*

prohibitted by ISKCON Minimum Cow Protection Standards. This must not be

allowed to continue. The temple president should find some means of assisting

the Goshalla, so it does not have to continue on this suicidal course.

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi

 

Niscala Devidasi wrote:

 

> HKDD:

> >

> >The other fundamental question is: Are the bull calves being trained for

> >work?

> >Or is this another case of sex for sense gratification (i.e., milk)

>

> In the case of Vrindavan it is not sense grat but the necessity to bring in

> enough money to maintain the herd, on what is a very tight budget. This can

> only be done by gradual reduction in the dependency on milk for income, thus

> gradual reduction in breeding. Long-term solutions must be combined with

> short-term necessity for providing facility and feed for the huge herd they

> have inherited.

>

> Yes, they train as many of the bulls as is feasible for the very limited

> land they have. Bulls pump water, bulls transport the milk to the temple,

> and other things as well, and bulls do all the ploughing. Not so with

> Myapaur, every square inch is ploughed by tractor.

>

> But as to whether 15 a year is still too much, I would have to agree.

>

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Phone: (207) 725-3663

FAX: (207) 725-3372

e-mail: npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu

[Guest guest]

I could not agree more with Rohita's position. If the

GBC and the Ministry can do anything they must act as

the stick to enforce that which has been decided as

appropriate. With the VRDP we are hopefully developing

a carrot to allow grassroots support to take projects

further. Yet an effective stick behind the carrot is

also extremely valid.

 

Mark

 

 

EMERGENCY PROPOSAL for GBC

 

Vrndavan & Mayapura:

Effective immediately:

Limit cows bred to 5 per year.

Increase land holdings OF THE COWS or at least

establish fund to do so.

 

Effective by years end:

Adopt a cow program established: That by end of year

all male animals are named, with an adoptive family to

act as their personal guardian and by the end of the

first quarter of next year all females are similarly

treated.

 

Punishment:

 

1. Removal of Temple President and the appointment of

a new Board of Directors if no action has taken place

by Gaura Purnima CE 516,

 

2. Replacement of officers and their proposed

correction procedures must be reviewed by Ministry of

Agriculture.

 

 

 

 

 

Make a great connection at Personals.

http://personals.

[Guest guest]

Could I suggest a slightly different wording:

 

Proposal:

 

Mayapur. Whereas the Mayapur Temple and Goshalla have continued to breach

the GBC minimum Cow protection Standards in that they are:

 

"I Protection 1) Transferring Ownership where all the minimum staandards

arn't observed"

 

" II Organization of Cow care Facilities. 1) maintaining a centralized

Goshalla without appropriate manpower, training, congregatonal support, and

Cow/Land Trust and 2) Breeding without consideration for land capacity

 

with the consequences that mayapur has a breeding schedule that oblidges the

goshalla management to send cows to a non protected environment the Ministry

of Agriculture and cows proposes that:

 

With immediate effect the breeding of cows stops until a satisfactory

thorough 20 year plan is submitted to the Ministry of Cows and Agriculture

demonstrating a breeding scheme that gives lifelong protection to all the

progeny without course to sending any cows or oxen to outside persons.

 

ys syam

[Guest guest]

On August 1 the following message was posted on this conference, it shows

some insite to alternative methods that indicate that sale of milk need not

be the major source of income and may prove to be a solution to the

problem Niscala has outlined.

Rohita dasa

 

Following is the text of a letter from Lavanga Latika prabhu in Raigad India

that I received yesterday:

"A friend of ours who is a research scientist in Agriculture and an

independent

consultant in organic agriculture and who was at the Daund ISKCON farm for

a

few months advising them, was just visiting and he told me how he was at the

Rajasthan Goseva Sangh working with them for 10 years. At first by selling

their milk and raw cowdung they could barely make ends meet, but last year

following his plan they earned 32 lakhs from cow urine medicines and selling

composted gobar in bags. They have their own clinic for cow urine medicines.

He

can really teach a lot of valuable things for cow protection. He says of

primary importance is cow urine, then gobar, lastly milk as a side product.

 

In Daund he said that they grew 13 acres of wheat only on cow urine spray

and

had a wonderful crop . Now somehow I have to get the figures of how many

tons

of wheat and times of spraying from Sanat Kumar who is in charge there. This

is

very important to know how to use cow urine. For growth just 5 % in water is

used and for pest repellent 10%. We are starting cow urine medicine here

with

our devotee farmer who is just getting over malaria with a temperature of

105.

So there is a lot of hope for the future in cow urine and dung. Never mind

the

milk.

 

I got in touch with Sanat Kumar and they grew 6 tons of wheat with 10% urine

sprayed weekly on the crop. Our friends name is Manohar Kahke , he is MSC

but

did not learn anything of value in college but by practical experience in

organic farming."

 

-

"Noma T. Petroff" <npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu>

"Niscala Devidasi" <niscala89 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; "Cow (Protection and related

issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:24 AM

Re: Vrndavana, Mayapura - still producing unwanted bull calves

 

 

> The practice of breeding cows primarily to produce milk is *specifically*

> prohibitted by ISKCON Minimum Cow Protection Standards. This must not be

> allowed to continue. The temple president should find some means of

assisting

> the Goshalla, so it does not have to continue on this suicidal course.

>

> your servant,

>

> Hare Krsna dasi

>

> Niscala Devidasi wrote:

>

> > HKDD:

> > >

> > >The other fundamental question is: Are the bull calves being trained

for

> > >work?

> > >Or is this another case of sex for sense gratification (i.e., milk)

> >

> > In the case of Vrindavan it is not sense grat but the necessity to bring

in

> > enough money to maintain the herd, on what is a very tight budget. This

can

> > only be done by gradual reduction in the dependency on milk for income,

thus

> > gradual reduction in breeding. Long-term solutions must be combined with

> > short-term necessity for providing facility and feed for the huge herd

they

> > have inherited.

> >

> > Yes, they train as many of the bulls as is feasible for the very limited

> > land they have. Bulls pump water, bulls transport the milk to the

temple,

> > and other things as well, and bulls do all the ploughing. Not so with

> > Myapaur, every square inch is ploughed by tractor.

> >

> > But as to whether 15 a year is still too much, I would have to agree.

> >

> > _______________

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> Academic Department Coordinator

> BOWDOIN COLLEGE

> Department of Theater & Dance

> 9100 College Station

> Brunswick ME 04011-8491

>

> Phone: (207) 725-3663

> FAX: (207) 725-3372

> e-mail: npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HKDD:>

>The practice of breeding cows primarily to produce milk is *specifically*

>prohibitted by ISKCON Minimum Cow Protection Standards. This must not be

>allowed to continue. The temple president should find some means of

>assisting

>the Goshalla, so it does not have to continue on this suicidal course.

>

 

Ha! That'll be the day. The temple president does not stop his brahmacaris

from frisking people on behalf of the goshalla and giving the goshalla

nothing. So when the goshalla ask for a donation they often hear "I already

gave it to the man in the temple!" The goshalla is threatened, not helped by

the temple, which nearly took their land off them a few years back...Good

luck with the likes of that mob.

 

But that suggestion about developing an alternative economy based on urine

medicines, etc hit the spot. Maybe Chayadevi could send that info by Lavanga

Latika to Prem Kishore. When I left, he was thinking about going this way,

but needed more information about it. And maybe Lavanga Latika could be

asked to share the formulas? That was PK's problem. He knew someone making

these medicines, but they were adamant about keeping their formula a secret,

for obvious reasons.

>your servant,

>

Niscala

>

 

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Reasonable approximation of what might be needed.

 

 

> Proposal:

>

> Mayapur. Whereas the Mayapur Temple and Goshalla have continued to breach

> the GBC minimum Cow protection Standards in that they are:

>

> "I Protection 1) Transferring Ownership where all the minimum staandards

> arn't observed"

>

> " II Organization of Cow care Facilities. 1) maintaining a centralized

> Goshalla without appropriate manpower, training, congregatonal support,

and

> Cow/Land Trust and 2) Breeding without consideration for land capacity

>

> with the consequences that mayapur has a breeding schedule that oblidges

the

> goshalla management to send cows to a non protected environment the

Ministry

> of Agriculture and cows proposes that:

>

> With immediate effect the breeding of cows stops until a satisfactory

> thorough 20 year plan is submitted to the Ministry of Cows and Agriculture

> demonstrating a breeding scheme that gives lifelong protection to all the

> progeny without course to sending any cows or oxen to outside persons.

>

> ys syam

>

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> > >HKDD:

> > >The other fundamental question is: Are the bull calves being trained

for work? Or is this another case of sex for sense gratification (i.e.,

milk)

 

> >Niscala Devidasi wrote:

> > In the case of Vrindavan it is not sense grat but the necessity to bring

in enough money to maintain the herd, on what is a very tight budget. This

can only be done by gradual reduction in the dependency on milk for income,

thus gradual reduction in breeding. Long-term solutions must be combined

with short-term necessity for providing facility and feed for the huge herd

they have inherited.

 

Comment:

Instead of breeding another cow as the herd production decreases there must

be put into place other income sources (already researched and ready to

function). As the milking herd gradually dwindles in size the income should

not suffer, but the added advantage of not an increase in herd number will

be felt. P Kisore needs to focus most of his attention on this or he has to

enthuse someone to do this.

 

> >Niscala Devidasi wrote:

> > Yes, they train as many of the bulls as is feasible for the very limited

land they have. Bulls pump water, bulls transport the milk to the temple,

and other things as well, and bulls do all the ploughing. Not so with

Myapaur, every square inch is ploughed by tractor.

> >

> > But as to whether 15 a year is still too much, I would have to agree.

> >

>HKDD:

> The practice of breeding cows primarily to produce milk is *specifically*

prohibitted by ISKCON Minimum Cow Protection Standards. This must not be

allowed to continue. The temple president should find some means of

assisting the Goshalla, so it does not have to continue on this suicidal

course.

 

ys, Rohita dasa

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regarding the three proposals to the GBC

 

2) Proposals to the GBC

a) Mayapur/Vrndavana

b) Hold on ISKCON land obligations

c) Budget for Ministry activities

 

Will Chayadevi Prabhu put them in a GBC propsal format submit them on this

conference than we can tweak them into a general agreament. we only have 5

weeks left.

 

ys syam

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I will do it as soon as possible

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Syamasundara (das) (Bhaktivedanta Manor - UK) <Syamasundara (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

Sunday, October 21, 2001 5:58 AM

Re: Vrndavana, Mayapura - still producing unwanted bull calves

 

 

> regarding the three proposals to the GBC

>

> 2) Proposals to the GBC

> a) Mayapur/Vrndavana

> b) Hold on ISKCON land obligations

> c) Budget for Ministry activities

>

> Will Chayadevi Prabhu put them in a GBC propsal format submit them on this

> conference than we can tweak them into a general agreament. we only have 5

> weeks left.

>

> ys syam