Vrndavana, Mayapura - Emergency proposal for GBC

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My feelings are that the GBC are in more of a position to help the goshallas

since they have more access to wealth which is needed to purchase more land.

Gopal Krsna is GBC of Vrndavana and Jayapatka is GBC of Mayapur along with

some others. Within the proposl can be incorporated your points. We need to

impress upon all who read it that the autorities in charge have been warned

notified and still they have done nothing to help the cowherds and allow the

most vulnerable citizens of our society be given away. Lets begin the

proposal as the GBC suggest and will accept but point out all the

ramifications specifically spirtual as they request in their form.

-

"Noma T. Petroff" <npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu>

"Rohita dasa" <talavan (AT) fnbop (DOT) com>; "Cow (Protection and related issues)"

<Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:38 AM

Re: Vrndavana, Mayapura - Emergency proposal for GBC

 

 

> Rohita's proposal is excellent. No more negotiation. As he suggests, if

the

> Temple Presidents of Vrndavana and Mayapur cannot follow these

instructions,

> they should be removed from their position, and new temple presidents

should be

> appointed by the GBC.

>

> We must understand that cow abuse is an important symptom of wider abuse.

The

> health and welfare of the cows is a barometer to gauge how other entities

and

> devotees in the temple are being maintained. If cows are continuing to be

> abused (as they are when the MINIMUM standards for cow protection are not

> followed) then the overwhelming probability is that other protected groups

such

> as women, children, brahmanas (especially bramacaris), and the elderly are

also

> being abused. Temple presidents who cannot follow ISCKON Ministry of Cow

> Protection MIMIMUM standards for cow protection -- after repeated pleas

and

> warnings -- must be summarily dismissed.

>

> A long time ago, miners used to carry a caged canary down in the mine

shaft

> with

> them. If that bird became sick -- they would immediately leave the mine

shaft,

> because it was a symptom of a fundamental danger. They saved the bird,

but by

> saving the bird, they also saved themselves from poison gas.

>

> Similarly, when we see such a poor record of caring for the cows over such

a

> long time, we should be alert and take note. A dramatic change is needed

> because not only will the cows suffer and die, all these other protected

groups

> are at risk also. If they suffer or leave ISKCON, then it will do great

harm

> to

> Srila Prabhupada's Krsna consciousness movement.

>

> I still believe that someone who is an honest leader of the Vrndavana

temple

> would make an investigation into the disappearance of so many animals over

the

> past fifteen years. Then, if wrong-doing is detected, they should make a

> public

> and advertised apology in front of the Deities and the congregation. To

> continue to sweep past abuses under the carpet is an invitation to

ultimate

> misfortune.

>

> your servant,

>

> Hare Krsna dasi

>

> Rohita dasa wrote:

>

> > Emergency Proposal for GBC...

> >

> >

> > EMERGENCY PROPOSAL

> >

> > Vrndavan & Mayapura:

> > Effective immediately:

> > Limit cows bred to 5 per year.

> > Increase land holdings OF THE COWS or at least establish fund to do so.

> >

> > Effective by years end:

> > Adopt a cow program established: That by end of year all male animals

are

> > named, with an adoptive family to act as their personal guardian and by

the

> > end of the first quarter of next year all females are similarly treated.

> >

> > Punishment:

> > 1. Removal of Temple President and the appointment of a new Board of

> > Directors if no action has taken place by Gaura Purnima CE 516,

> >

> > 2. Replacement of officers and their proposed correction procedures must

be

> > reviewed by Ministry of Agriculture.

> >

> > -

> > "Noma T. Petroff" <npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu>

> > "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> > Cc: "Niscala Devidasi" <niscala89 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

> > Monday, October 15, 2001 9:53 AM

> > Vrndavana, Mayapura - still producing unwanted bull calves

> >

> > > Fifteen new calves per year at Vrndavana still sounds like way too

many,

> > if we

> > > believe they have insufficient land and feed for the current

population.

> > >

> > > The other fundamental question is: Are the bull calves being trained

for

> > work?

> > > Or is this another case of sex for sense gratification (i.e., milk)

while

> > the

> > > actually progeny (about 7 new bull calves per year) are unwanted.

> > >

> > > It appears that in Mayapur the unwanted bulls will be given away,

while in

> > > Vrndavana the unwanted bulls will be squeezed into the already

overcrowded

> > > conditions. Vrndavana's situation sounds only a tiny bit better than

> > > Mayapura's, because all of us on the cow conference know that the

> > production of

> > > unwanted bull calves is not ultimately sustainable. Eventually, these

> > animals

> > > will also be abused or sold to slaughter.

> > >

> > > The Ministry's Minimum Cow Protection Standards require that there be

a

> > firm

> > > plan for the lifetime training and care of the resulting calf,

especially

> > the

> > > resulting bull calf, before a cow can be bred. It doesn't sound like

> > Vrndavana

> > > is meeting this standard.

> > >

> > > If they are determined to break this standard, wouldn't it at least be

> > better

> > > to

> > > limit the breeding to 5 cows per year?

> > >

> > > your servant,

> > >

> > > Hare Krsna dasi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA)" wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Niscala Prabhu,

> > > >

> > > > PAMHO. AGTSP.

> > > >

> > > > First the good news: Vrndavana is current with their cow reports and

has

> > now

> > > > numbered and named all their cows, breeding has been reduced to 15 a

> > year, a

> > > > land development plan for some of the goshalla land of housing for

> > lease

> > > > and profits thereof to go to the purchase of more land is being put

into

> > > > place, and cows of the Thakapur indigenous breed have been purchased

as

> > the

> > > > only ones to be bred from now on.

> > > >

> > > > 2nd: The bad news: Mayapur is current in their cow reports, all cows

> > were

> > > > named and numbered, but animals are still being gvien away starting

> > again

> > > > this last quarter. Attempts at communication has produced silence.

> > > >

> > > > Your servant,

> > > > Chayadevi

> > > > -

> > > > "Niscala Devidasi" <niscala89 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

> > > > "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> > > > Saturday, October 13, 2001 9:47 AM

> > > > question to ISCOWP

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Chayadevi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just read in the GBC resolutions:

> > > > >

> > > > > If the Minister of Cow Protection and Agriculture does not receive

> > reports

> > > > > from either Vrindavan or Mayapur temples regularly during 2001,

> > starting

> > > > on

> > > > > the above date, then all breeding, purchasing, and acceptance of

> > donations

> > > > > of cows shall be stopped for the delinquent temple until proper

> > compliance

> > > > > is met.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have reports been received as yet, or has breeding stopped?

> > > > >

> > > > > ys, Niscala

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> Academic Department Coordinator

> BOWDOIN COLLEGE

> Department of Theater & Dance

> 9100 College Station

> Brunswick ME 04011-8491

>

> Phone: (207) 725-3663

> FAX: (207) 725-3372

> e-mail: npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rohita's proposal is excellent. No more negotiation. As he suggests, if the

Temple Presidents of Vrndavana and Mayapur cannot follow these instructions,

they should be removed from their position, and new temple presidents should be

appointed by the GBC.

 

We must understand that cow abuse is an important symptom of wider abuse. The

health and welfare of the cows is a barometer to gauge how other entities and

devotees in the temple are being maintained. If cows are continuing to be

abused (as they are when the MINIMUM standards for cow protection are not

followed) then the overwhelming probability is that other protected groups such

as women, children, brahmanas (especially bramacaris), and the elderly are also

being abused. Temple presidents who cannot follow ISCKON Ministry of Cow

Protection MIMIMUM standards for cow protection -- after repeated pleas and

warnings -- must be summarily dismissed.

 

A long time ago, miners used to carry a caged canary down in the mine shaft

with

them. If that bird became sick -- they would immediately leave the mine shaft,

because it was a symptom of a fundamental danger. They saved the bird, but by

saving the bird, they also saved themselves from poison gas.

 

Similarly, when we see such a poor record of caring for the cows over such a

long time, we should be alert and take note. A dramatic change is needed

because not only will the cows suffer and die, all these other protected groups

are at risk also. If they suffer or leave ISKCON, then it will do great harm

to

Srila Prabhupada's Krsna consciousness movement.

 

I still believe that someone who is an honest leader of the Vrndavana temple

would make an investigation into the disappearance of so many animals over the

past fifteen years. Then, if wrong-doing is detected, they should make a

public

and advertised apology in front of the Deities and the congregation. To

continue to sweep past abuses under the carpet is an invitation to ultimate

misfortune.

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi

 

Rohita dasa wrote:

 

> Emergency Proposal for GBC...

>

>

> EMERGENCY PROPOSAL

>

> Vrndavan & Mayapura:

> Effective immediately:

> Limit cows bred to 5 per year.

> Increase land holdings OF THE COWS or at least establish fund to do so.

>

> Effective by years end:

> Adopt a cow program established: That by end of year all male animals are

> named, with an adoptive family to act as their personal guardian and by the

> end of the first quarter of next year all females are similarly treated.

>

> Punishment:

> 1. Removal of Temple President and the appointment of a new Board of

> Directors if no action has taken place by Gaura Purnima CE 516,

>

> 2. Replacement of officers and their proposed correction procedures must be

> reviewed by Ministry of Agriculture.

>

> -

> "Noma T. Petroff" <npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu>

> "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> Cc: "Niscala Devidasi" <niscala89 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

> Monday, October 15, 2001 9:53 AM

> Vrndavana, Mayapura - still producing unwanted bull calves

>

> > Fifteen new calves per year at Vrndavana still sounds like way too many,

> if we

> > believe they have insufficient land and feed for the current population.

> >

> > The other fundamental question is: Are the bull calves being trained for

> work?

> > Or is this another case of sex for sense gratification (i.e., milk) while

> the

> > actually progeny (about 7 new bull calves per year) are unwanted.

> >

> > It appears that in Mayapur the unwanted bulls will be given away, while in

> > Vrndavana the unwanted bulls will be squeezed into the already overcrowded

> > conditions. Vrndavana's situation sounds only a tiny bit better than

> > Mayapura's, because all of us on the cow conference know that the

> production of

> > unwanted bull calves is not ultimately sustainable. Eventually, these

> animals

> > will also be abused or sold to slaughter.

> >

> > The Ministry's Minimum Cow Protection Standards require that there be a

> firm

> > plan for the lifetime training and care of the resulting calf, especially

> the

> > resulting bull calf, before a cow can be bred. It doesn't sound like

> Vrndavana

> > is meeting this standard.

> >

> > If they are determined to break this standard, wouldn't it at least be

> better

> > to

> > limit the breeding to 5 cows per year?

> >

> > your servant,

> >

> > Hare Krsna dasi

> >

> >

> >

> > "ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA)" wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Niscala Prabhu,

> > >

> > > PAMHO. AGTSP.

> > >

> > > First the good news: Vrndavana is current with their cow reports and has

> now

> > > numbered and named all their cows, breeding has been reduced to 15 a

> year, a

> > > land development plan for some of the goshalla land of housing for

> lease

> > > and profits thereof to go to the purchase of more land is being put into

> > > place, and cows of the Thakapur indigenous breed have been purchased as

> the

> > > only ones to be bred from now on.

> > >

> > > 2nd: The bad news: Mayapur is current in their cow reports, all cows

> were

> > > named and numbered, but animals are still being gvien away starting

> again

> > > this last quarter. Attempts at communication has produced silence.

> > >

> > > Your servant,

> > > Chayadevi

> > > -

> > > "Niscala Devidasi" <niscala89 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

> > > "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> > > Saturday, October 13, 2001 9:47 AM

> > > question to ISCOWP

> > >

> > > > Dear Chayadevi,

> > > >

> > > > I just read in the GBC resolutions:

> > > >

> > > > If the Minister of Cow Protection and Agriculture does not receive

> reports

> > > > from either Vrindavan or Mayapur temples regularly during 2001,

> starting

> > > on

> > > > the above date, then all breeding, purchasing, and acceptance of

> donations

> > > > of cows shall be stopped for the delinquent temple until proper

> compliance

> > > > is met.

> > > >

> > > > Have reports been received as yet, or has breeding stopped?

> > > >

> > > > ys, Niscala

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _______________

> > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

> > > >

> >

> > --

> > Noma Petroff

> > Academic Department Coordinator

> > BOWDOIN COLLEGE

> > Department of Theater & Dance

> > 9100 College Station

> > Brunswick ME 04011-8491

> >

> > Phone: (207) 725-3663

> > FAX: (207) 725-3372

> > e-mail: npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu

> >

> >

> >

> >

 

--

Noma Petroff

Academic Department Coordinator

BOWDOIN COLLEGE

Department of Theater & Dance

9100 College Station

Brunswick ME 04011-8491

 

Phone: (207) 725-3663

FAX: (207) 725-3372

e-mail: npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu