Guest guest Posted October 27, 2001 Report Share Posted October 27, 2001 Dandavad. Prabhupada kijaya! The following is from the last meeting of the PCC (a group of senior India leaders who plan and coordinate the meetings of the India TP's). It seems there is some progress. Your servant, Pancaratna das Cow Protection The PCC heard a report from Ramanuja Prabhu stating the many ISKCON temples in India are not adequately protecting the cows, bulls, and bullocks under their care. Most ISKCON centers are not even aware of the cow protection standards that have been established under ISKCON law. Most centers' primary motivation in keeping cows is for milk production, whereas according to Srila Prabhupada's instructions the primary motivation should be setting an example of cow protection as part of our preaching work, with milk production as only a part of that. It was decided that: 1) There shall be a presentation made at the ICC meeting in November that will focus on educating the all-India leadership in the proper conduct of cow protection. 2) There should be created a network of devotees trained in the ISKCON cow protection standards that shall travel to the various ISKCON centers with cows and educate the devotees there on these standards, and assist them in complying with the standards. 3) The ICC should consider legislation banning any further purchase and/or breeding of cows at any ISKCON center until the cow protection program at that center is in compliance with ISKCON law. A temporary subcommittee was created to function up until the coming ICC meeting to: 1) prepare the ICC presentation; 2) attempt to recruit devotees for inspection and training work; and 3) prepare draft legislation for consideration by the ICC. The members of this temporary committee shall be Ramanuja Das, Prem Kishor Das, Devamrita Das, and Bhaktarupa Das, and they may co-opt others as desired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Sounds like these guys are headed in the right direction and maybe the best thing would be to have a resolution supporting their recommendations, and have some input on what they recommend. - PRD <PRD (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Saturday, October 27, 2001 6:32 AM India making progress > Dandavad. Prabhupada kijaya! > > The following is from the last meeting of the PCC (a group of senior India > leaders who plan and coordinate the meetings of the India TP's). It seems > there is some progress. > > Your servant, > Pancaratna das > > > > Cow Protection > The PCC heard a report from Ramanuja Prabhu stating the many ISKCON temples > in India are not adequately protecting the cows, bulls, and bullocks under > their care. Most ISKCON centers are not even aware of the cow protection > standards that have been established under ISKCON law. Most centers' primary > motivation in keeping cows is for milk production, whereas according to > Srila Prabhupada's instructions the primary motivation should be setting an > example of cow protection as part of our preaching work, with milk > production as only a part of that. > It was decided that: > 1) There shall be a presentation made at the ICC meeting in November > that will focus on educating the all-India leadership in the proper conduct > of cow protection. > 2) There should be created a network of devotees trained in the ISKCON > cow protection standards that shall travel to the various ISKCON centers > with cows and educate the devotees there on these standards, and assist them > in complying with the standards. > 3) The ICC should consider legislation banning any further purchase > and/or breeding of cows at any ISKCON center until the cow protection > program at that center is in compliance with ISKCON law. > A temporary subcommittee was created to function up until the coming ICC > meeting to: > 1) prepare the ICC presentation; > 2) attempt to recruit devotees for inspection and training work; and > 3) prepare draft legislation for consideration by the ICC. > The members of this temporary committee shall be Ramanuja Das, Prem Kishor > Das, Devamrita Das, and Bhaktarupa Das, and they may co-opt others as > desired. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 There are just so many proposals we can make. Do you mean in place of the Mayapur one? - Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com> Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Friday, November 02, 2001 11:36 AM Re: India making progress > Sounds like these guys are headed in the right direction and maybe the best > thing would be to have a resolution supporting their recommendations, and > have some input on what they recommend. > > > - > PRD <PRD (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Saturday, October 27, 2001 6:32 AM > India making progress > > > > Dandavad. Prabhupada kijaya! > > > > The following is from the last meeting of the PCC (a group of senior India > > leaders who plan and coordinate the meetings of the India TP's). It seems > > there is some progress. > > > > Your servant, > > Pancaratna das > > > > > > > > Cow Protection > > The PCC heard a report from Ramanuja Prabhu stating the many ISKCON > temples > > in India are not adequately protecting the cows, bulls, and bullocks under > > their care. Most ISKCON centers are not even aware of the cow protection > > standards that have been established under ISKCON law. Most centers' > primary > > motivation in keeping cows is for milk production, whereas according to > > Srila Prabhupada's instructions the primary motivation should be setting > an > > example of cow protection as part of our preaching work, with milk > > production as only a part of that. > > It was decided that: > > 1) There shall be a presentation made at the ICC meeting in November > > that will focus on educating the all-India leadership in the proper > conduct > > of cow protection. > > 2) There should be created a network of devotees trained in the ISKCON > > cow protection standards that shall travel to the various ISKCON centers > > with cows and educate the devotees there on these standards, and assist > them > > in complying with the standards. > > 3) The ICC should consider legislation banning any further purchase > > and/or breeding of cows at any ISKCON center until the cow protection > > program at that center is in compliance with ISKCON law. > > A temporary subcommittee was created to function up until the coming ICC > > meeting to: > > 1) prepare the ICC presentation; > > 2) attempt to recruit devotees for inspection and training work; and > > 3) prepare draft legislation for consideration by the ICC. > > The members of this temporary committee shall be Ramanuja Das, Prem Kishor > > Das, Devamrita Das, and Bhaktarupa Das, and they may co-opt others as > > desired. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 I guess that is waht I mean. Then someone else is actually making the proposal, we are just endorsing it. Then you only need to make 2. One for funding, and one to limit land dispersals to those with Ministry approval until a comprehensive land proposal can be made the following year. - ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA) <ISCOWP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com>; Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Friday, November 02, 2001 10:09 AM Re: India making progress > There are just so many proposals we can make. Do you mean in place of the > Mayapur one? > - > Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com> > Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Friday, November 02, 2001 11:36 AM > Re: India making progress > > > > Sounds like these guys are headed in the right direction and maybe the > best > > thing would be to have a resolution supporting their recommendations, and > > have some input on what they recommend. > > > > > > - > > PRD <PRD (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > > Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > > Saturday, October 27, 2001 6:32 AM > > India making progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 Here's another concept, the ICC meets in November. After that meeting it would be known if the recommendations or what recommendations were accepted. If number 3 espescially was accepted, do we need the Mayapur proposal and/or should we ask the committee to include something about Mayapur in their presntation. it seems to me that if the ICC accepts most of these recommedations, that they are in the process of taking care of their backyard and our proposal may even be a hinderance? The deadline for the GBC proposal is December 1. - Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com> Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Friday, November 02, 2001 6:21 PM Re: India making progress > I guess that is waht I mean. Then someone else is actually making the > proposal, we are just endorsing it. > > Then you only need to make 2. > > One for funding, and one to limit land dispersals to those with Ministry > approval until a comprehensive land proposal can be made the following > year. > > > - > ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA) <ISCOWP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com>; Cow (Protection and related > issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Friday, November 02, 2001 10:09 AM > Re: India making progress > > > > There are just so many proposals we can make. Do you mean in place of the > > Mayapur one? > > - > > Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com> > > Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > > Friday, November 02, 2001 11:36 AM > > Re: India making progress > > > > > > > Sounds like these guys are headed in the right direction and maybe the > > best > > > thing would be to have a resolution supporting their recommendations, > and > > > have some input on what they recommend. > > > > > > > > > - > > > PRD <PRD (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > > > Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > > > Saturday, October 27, 2001 6:32 AM > > > India making progress > Dandavad. Prabhupada kijaya! The following is from the last meeting of the PCC (a group of senior India leaders who plan and coordinate the meetings of the India TP's). It seems there is some progress. Your servant, Pancaratna das Cow Protection The PCC heard a report from Ramanuja Prabhu stating the many ISKCON temples in India are not adequately protecting the cows, bulls, and bullocks under their care. Most ISKCON centers are not even aware of the cow protection standards that have been established under ISKCON law. Most centers' primary motivation in keeping cows is for milk production, whereas according to Srila Prabhupada's instructions the primary motivation should be setting an example of cow protection as part of our preaching work, with milk production as only a part of that. It was decided that: 1) There shall be a presentation made at the ICC meeting in November that will focus on educating the all-India leadership in the proper conduct of cow protection. 2) There should be created a network of devotees trained in the ISKCON cow protection standards that shall travel to the various ISKCON centers with cows and educate the devotees there on these standards, and assist them in complying with the standards. 3) The ICC should consider legislation banning any further purchase and/or breeding of cows at any ISKCON center until the cow protection program at that center is in compliance with ISKCON law. A temporary subcommittee was created to function up until the coming ICC meeting to: 1) prepare the ICC presentation; 2) attempt to recruit devotees for inspection and training work; and 3) prepare draft legislation for consideration by the ICC. The members of this temporary committee shall be Ramanuja Das, Prem Kishor Das, Devamrita Das, and Bhaktarupa Das, and they may co-opt others as desired.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 yes this seems to be the course to take - do not forget Vrndavan ys, Rohita dasa - "ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA)" <ISCOWP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> "Mark Middle Mountain" <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com>; "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Friday, November 02, 2001 8:48 PM Re: India making progress > Here's another concept, the ICC meets in November. After that meeting it > would be known if the recommendations or what recommendations were accepted. > If number 3 espescially was accepted, do we need the Mayapur proposal and/or > should we ask the committee to include something about Mayapur in their > presntation. it seems to me that if the ICC accepts most of these > recommedations, that they are in the process of taking care of their > backyard and our proposal may even be a hinderance? The deadline for the GBC > proposal is December 1. > - > Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com> > Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Friday, November 02, 2001 6:21 PM > Re: India making progress > > > > I guess that is waht I mean. Then someone else is actually making the > > proposal, we are just endorsing it. > > > > Then you only need to make 2. > > > > One for funding, and one to limit land dispersals to those with Ministry > > approval until a comprehensive land proposal can be made the following > > year. > > > > > > - > > ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA) <ISCOWP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > > Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com>; Cow (Protection and related > > issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > > Friday, November 02, 2001 10:09 AM > > Re: India making progress > > > > > > > There are just so many proposals we can make. Do you mean in place of > the > > > Mayapur one? > > > - > > > Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com> > > > Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > > > Friday, November 02, 2001 11:36 AM > > > Re: India making progress > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like these guys are headed in the right direction and maybe the > > > best > > > > thing would be to have a resolution supporting their recommendations, > > and > > > > have some input on what they recommend. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > PRD <PRD (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > > > > Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > > > > Saturday, October 27, 2001 6:32 AM > > > > India making progress > > > Dandavad. Prabhupada kijaya! > > The following is from the last meeting of the PCC (a group of senior India > leaders who plan and coordinate the meetings of the India TP's). It seems > there is some progress. > > Your servant, > Pancaratna das > > > > Cow Protection > The PCC heard a report from Ramanuja Prabhu stating the many ISKCON temples > in India are not adequately protecting the cows, bulls, and bullocks under > their care. Most ISKCON centers are not even aware of the cow protection > standards that have been established under ISKCON law. Most centers' primary > motivation in keeping cows is for milk production, whereas according to > Srila Prabhupada's instructions the primary motivation should be setting an > example of cow protection as part of our preaching work, with milk > production as only a part of that. > It was decided that: > 1) There shall be a presentation made at the ICC meeting in November > that will focus on educating the all-India leadership in the proper conduct > of cow protection. > 2) There should be created a network of devotees trained in the ISKCON > cow protection standards that shall travel to the various ISKCON centers > with cows and educate the devotees there on these standards, and assist them > in complying with the standards. > 3) The ICC should consider legislation banning any further purchase > and/or breeding of cows at any ISKCON center until the cow protection > program at that center is in compliance with ISKCON law. > A temporary subcommittee was created to function up until the coming ICC > meeting to: > 1) prepare the ICC presentation; > 2) attempt to recruit devotees for inspection and training work; and > 3) prepare draft legislation for consideration by the ICC. > The members of this temporary committee shall be Ramanuja Das, Prem Kishor > Das, Devamrita Das, and Bhaktarupa Das, and they may co-opt others as > desired.> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 Dandavad. Prabhupada kijaya! I just met with Nanda Krishna, the vet who helps with the Mayapur goshalla and prepares the reports. He said they have now completely stopped giving away any more calves or other cows or bulls. I asked him and Gour Hari who is the goshalla manager (Radhadyuti is his Dept. head but he is in VRindavan right now) to sit with me and make a proposal for sustainability of the goshalla with all standards in place. I think that this work, plus the efforts of the ICC should be enough. I suggest you wait to see the results by the end of this month. I will be in the ICC meeting and can report. Your servant, Pancaratna das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 Thank you so much! This is a wonderful service you are doing. Let's all pray that the ICC will see the importance of accepting most if not all the recommendations that the committee is presenting. It is much better if the local devotees take care of the situation (that is the best way) instead of GBC proposal from on high. We look forward to your report. Your servant, Chayadevi - Pancaratna ACBSP <Pancaratna.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com>; Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Saturday, November 03, 2001 9:18 AM Re: India making progress > Dandavad. Prabhupada kijaya! > > I just met with Nanda Krishna, the vet who helps with the Mayapur goshalla > and prepares the reports. He said they have now completely stopped giving > away any more calves or other cows or bulls. I asked him and Gour Hari who > is the goshalla manager (Radhadyuti is his Dept. head but he is in VRindavan > right now) to sit with me and make a proposal for sustainability of the > goshalla with all standards in place. > > I think that this work, plus the efforts of the ICC should be enough. I > suggest you wait to see the results by the end of this month. I will be in > the ICC meeting and can report. > > Your servant, > Pancaratna das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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