Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Some information from experts on control of Wild Boar. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Letter PAMHO:7738657 (61 lines) Internet: "martin GOULDING" <mjgoulding (AT) mjgoulding (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> 22-Jan-04 19:41 Vraj Eco Vill [17873] Reference: Text PAMHO:7738198 by Vraj Eco Vill Re: Boar --------------------------- Dear Greg, If I may answer the question myself having several years experience with boar and agriculture. Unfortunately there is only one natural answer; fencing. To be boar proof, it has to be high (approx. 6ft) to stop them jumping over and dug into the ground by 1 ft, to stop rooting underneath. A strand of electric wire about 8 inches above the ground adds extra protection. This set-up is usually prohibitively expensive to farmers and there lies the whole crux of the problem. Other natural methods have been tried but with limited success as boar are very adaptable and intelligent. Bright lights, bangers, strong scents, noisy machinery/vehicles have all been tried and, after initial sucess, failed. The only other hope is to put food (grain) down away from the crops to draw the boar away from temptation. However this entails the cost and hassle putting food out every night and ultimately results in an increase in boar numbers through a good food supply. Aside from having a 24hr vigil over the crops to physically chase any boar away, there is no natural answer to your problem. I am sorry to be so negative, but your question is asked by farmers the world over - and no-one to date has an answer. Good luck with your eco-village, please don't hesitate to ask if there is anything else to do with boar I can maybe help with. kind regards Dr Martin Goulding ************************************* Martin Goulding BSc MSc PhD CBiol MIBiol www.britishwildboar.org.uk ************************************* - "Vraj Eco Vill" <Vraj.Eco.Vill (AT) pamho (DOT) net> <mjgoulding (AT) mjgoulding (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:40 PM Boar > Sorry this is not about lectures or anything. > > We are developing an Ecovillage in Central Spain, and are surrounded by wild > boar. We want to find if there are any natural methods to prevent them from > destroying our crops. > > Can you give us any clues who to contact in this regard? > > Thanks a lot for your consideration > > Sincerely > > Greg Clark. > (Text PAMHO:7738657) ------ ------- End of Forwarded Message ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Although we have no boars in this area we do have a multitude of deer who will destroy a large garden in two days or less. They can jumb very high and jumb over ordinary fences. We also have groundhogs that will burrow underneath a fence and destroy your garden. We had that experience when we first came to New Vrndavana. Having been so depressed after losing everything the first season we asked the local people what they did. They said put up a fence and get a dog. We didn't want to get a dog but by chance a local devotee had a dog that had several puppies and he wanted to give us two as he thought they would have a good life on our large property. We now have one of those two dogs who is an Akita/German Shepherd mix. She takes her service extremely seriously and has rid the property of at least 100 groundhogs. She has spent many a sleepless night chasing and barking at the deer when they try to come to the garden to eat. She could probably use some help in the summer. She takes great pride in these activities and we have never suffered the loses we have suffered in the first season I did train her when she was a puppy to not chase the cows and I rewarded and encouraged her to chase the deer. It is natural for her to corner the groundhogs and kill them. I have often heard of dogs doing the same with other types of animals and I have learned that by spending time with them and rewarding the behavior you want and discouraging the behavior you don't want they can adjust. Right now she is outside in freezing weather (single digits) barking at the deer she can see in the forest. She is never tied up and never roams. I take her on a long walk about an hour each day to check the cows and the fences and for her to run and chase more deer. The other day she had a ferocious fight with a raccoon and killed it. They can be dangerous.She is also very good with children and is greatly loved by many devotees and even appreciated by some of the sannyasis that visit here due to her charming and friendly personality and her serious service attitude. She also loves prasadam. Why not try a dog? Visit us at: www.iscowp.org > [Original Message] > Vraj Eco Vill <Vraj.Eco.Vill (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Agriculture and the Environment <Agriculture.and.the.Environment (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > 1/23/2004 3:00:03 PM > Re: Boar > > Some information from experts on control of Wild Boar. > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Letter PAMHO:7738657 (61 lines) > Internet: "martin GOULDING" > <mjgoulding (AT) mjgoulding (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> > 22-Jan-04 19:41 > Vraj Eco Vill [17873] > Reference: Text PAMHO:7738198 by Vraj Eco Vill > Re: Boar > --------------------------- > Dear Greg, > > If I may answer the question myself having several years experience with > boar and agriculture. > Unfortunately there is only one natural answer; fencing. To be boar > proof, it has to be high (approx. 6ft) to stop them jumping over and dug > into the ground by 1 ft, to stop rooting underneath. A strand of electric > wire about 8 inches above the ground adds extra protection. This set-up is > usually prohibitively expensive to farmers and there lies the whole crux of > the problem. > Other natural methods have been tried but with limited success as boar are > very adaptable and intelligent. Bright lights, bangers, strong scents, noisy > machinery/vehicles have all been tried and, after initial sucess, failed. > The only other hope is to put food (grain) down away from the crops to draw > the boar away from temptation. However this entails the cost and hassle > putting food out every night and ultimately results in an increase in boar > numbers through a good food supply. > Aside from having a 24hr vigil over the crops to physically chase any boar > away, there is no natural answer to your problem. I am sorry to be so > negative, but your question is asked by farmers the world over - and no-one > to date has an answer. > > Good luck with your eco-village, please don't hesitate to ask if there is > anything else to do with boar I can maybe help with. > > kind regards > > Dr Martin Goulding > > ************************************* > Martin Goulding > BSc MSc PhD CBiol MIBiol > www.britishwildboar.org.uk > ************************************* > > > > > - > "Vraj Eco Vill" <Vraj.Eco.Vill (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > <mjgoulding (AT) mjgoulding (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> > Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:40 PM > Boar > > > > Sorry this is not about lectures or anything. > > > > We are developing an Ecovillage in Central Spain, and are surrounded by > wild > > boar. We want to find if there are any natural methods to prevent them > from > > destroying our crops. > > > > Can you give us any clues who to contact in this regard? > > > > Thanks a lot for your consideration > > > > Sincerely > > > > Greg Clark. > > > (Text PAMHO:7738657) ------ > > ------- End of Forwarded Message ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Big Dogs perhaps? -------------------- In a message dated 1/23/2004 12:01:19 PM Central Standard Time, Vraj.Eco.Vill (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: Some information from experts on control of Wild Boar. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Letter PAMHO:7738657 (61 lines) Internet: "martin GOULDING" <mjgoulding (AT) mjgoulding (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> 22-Jan-04 19:41 Vraj Eco Vill [17873] Reference: Text PAMHO:7738198 by Vraj Eco Vill Re: Boar --------------------------- Dear Greg, If I may answer the question myself having several years experience with boar and agriculture. Unfortunately there is only one natural answer; fencing. To be boar proof, it has to be high (approx. 6ft) to stop them jumping over and dug into the ground by 1 ft, to stop rooting underneath. A strand of electric wire about 8 inches above the ground adds extra protection. This set-up is usually prohibitively expensive to farmers and there lies the whole crux of the problem. Other natural methods have been tried but with limited success as boar are very adaptable and intelligent. Bright lights, bangers, strong scents, noisy machinery/vehicles have all been tried and, after initial sucess, failed. The only other hope is to put food (grain) down away from the crops to draw the boar away from temptation. However this entails the cost and hassle putting food out every night and ultimately results in an increase in boar numbers through a good food supply. Aside from having a 24hr vigil over the crops to physically chase any boar away, there is no natural answer to your problem. I am sorry to be so negative, but your question is asked by farmers the world over - and no-one to date has an answer. Good luck with your eco-village, please don't hesitate to ask if there is anything else to do with boar I can maybe help with. kind regards Dr Martin Goulding ************************************* Martin Goulding BSc MSc PhD CBiol MIBiol www.britishwildboar.org.uk ************************************* - "Vraj Eco Vill" <Vraj.Eco.Vill (AT) pamho (DOT) net> <mjgoulding (AT) mjgoulding (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:40 PM Boar > Sorry this is not about lectures or anything. > > We are developing an Ecovillage in Central Spain, and are surrounded by wild > boar. We want to find if there are any natural methods to prevent them from > destroying our crops. > > Can you give us any clues who to contact in this regard? > > Thanks a lot for your consideration > > Sincerely > > Greg Clark. > (Text PAMHO:7738657) ------ ------- End of Forwarded Message ------ ----------------------- To from this mailing list, send an email to: Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 I actually hadn't read Mother Chaya's message when I sent this. I was, in fact, thinking of her dogs (now dog) and their classic example. I have a vivid image of one of them running up to me with a dead ground hog in its mouth - happy and proud as any living thing could be. This is certainly a great service for, if not the purpose of, domesticated dogs. Most are simply trained to catch a ball - but how often does a ball wipe out a garden? I don't know how big the boars are where the original inquirer lives, but the breed that Chaya mentioned (Akita) were originally bread to hunt bears in Asia. If the boars are big or exceedingly vicious, you may loose a dog now and then, but they will die fighting - like Ksatrias (brave warriors)! Again, a great service for a dog. And as she mentioned, they will not complain; on the contrary, they will revel in the sport of the hunt and live a healthy life due to the vigorous exercise (most Western dog [like Western owners] have troubles with obesity and related diseases). -Gopal ------------------------------ In a message dated 1/23/2004 4:34:06 PM Central Standard Time, Dasgopal (AT) aol (DOT) com writes: Big Dogs perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Then if you have two such dogs there is more of a chance of bringing down the boar. If anyone remembers the BTG article about how devotees should not have dogs by Urmila. Well Jayadvaita Swami who was in charge of the BTG at the time came her for a visit. We were on top of the hill with the cows and Mela (the dog-her brother was Kumbha) came running up the hill with a large dead groundhog in her mouth and dropped it at our feet in front of Jayadvaita Swami. So I thanked Mela for her service and she was quite elated although I was worried what Jayadavaita Swami was thinking. Later he said he would have to bring Urmila here to see Mela to realize what a real service she was performing and the true value of having a dog in the country. Visit us at: www.iscowp.org > [Original Message] > <Dasgopal (AT) aol (DOT) com> > Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > 1/24/2004 6:30:03 PM > Re: Boar > > I actually hadn't read Mother Chaya's message when I sent this. I was, in > fact, thinking of her dogs (now dog) and their classic example. I have a vivid > image of one of them running up to me with a dead ground hog in its mouth - > happy and proud as any living thing could be. > > This is certainly a great service for, if not the purpose of, domesticated > dogs. Most are simply trained to catch a ball - but how often does a ball wipe > out a garden? > > I don't know how big the boars are where the original inquirer lives, but the > breed that Chaya mentioned (Akita) were originally bread to hunt bears in > Asia. If the boars are big or exceedingly vicious, you may loose a dog now and > then, but they will die fighting - like Ksatrias (brave warriors)! > > Again, a great service for a dog. And as she mentioned, they will not > complain; on the contrary, they will revel in the sport of the hunt and live a > healthy life due to the vigorous exercise (most Western dog [like Western > owners] > have troubles with obesity and related diseases). > > -Gopal > ------------------------------ > > In a message dated 1/23/2004 4:34:06 PM Central Standard Time, > Dasgopal (AT) aol (DOT) com writes: > Big Dogs perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 > Although we have no boars in this area we do have a multitude of deer who > will destroy a large garden in two days or less. They can jumb very high > and jumb over ordinary fences. We also have groundhogs that will burrow > underneath a fence and destroy your garden. We had that experience when we > first came to New Vrndavana. Having been so depressed after losing > everything the first season we asked the local people what they did. They > said put up a fence and get a dog. We didn't want to get a dog but by > chance a local devotee had a dog that had several puppies and he wanted to > give us two as he thought they would have a good life on our large > property. I was thinking of a dog, but your experience has confirmed it! Thank you very much for that. Your servant Samba das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 Just research what would be a good breed for your purposes. We were afraid of getting a dog becuase we thuoght perhaps it would not want to chase the deer and protect like that. We knew Akita were used as Japanse temple guard dogs and german shepards are very protective of their masters. So do some research to get the ,ost likely breed to do the job. I do not think any breed will do the service. Visit us at: www.iscowp.org > [Original Message] > Vraj Eco Vill <Vraj.Eco.Vill (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Agriculture and the Environment <Agriculture.and.the.Environment (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > 1/25/2004 4:00:03 AM > Re: Boar > > > Although we have no boars in this area we do have a multitude of deer who > > will destroy a large garden in two days or less. They can jumb very high > > and jumb over ordinary fences. We also have groundhogs that will burrow > > underneath a fence and destroy your garden. We had that experience when we > > first came to New Vrndavana. Having been so depressed after losing > > everything the first season we asked the local people what they did. They > > said put up a fence and get a dog. We didn't want to get a dog but by > > chance a local devotee had a dog that had several puppies and he wanted to > > give us two as he thought they would have a good life on our large > > property. > > I was thinking of a dog, but your experience has confirmed it! Thank you > very much for that. > > Your servant > Samba das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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