Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 All glories to Sri Sri Gaura-nitai 3/28/05 Please accept my humble obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada, Dear Devotees, It is my humble opinion that we should not place much confidence in the opinion of mundane scientists, cheating journalists, etc. in regards to the various opinions of Peak oil. There are many well researched articles from comparably authoritative sources stating that "peak oil" is a myth. Links below. http://rense.com/general63/myth.htm http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html I feel our time is better spent putting our minds on projects within ISKCON such as the "Varnasrama Proposal" made by Danavir Goswami a few months back. Granted some consideration should be given to the various preparations for the future amid a variety of chaotic crumblings of society. Your servant, Arya Siddhanta dasa address: 3764 Watseka Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90034 Email: Arya.siddhanta.dg (AT) pamho (DOT) net Phone: (310) 836-1882 Brahmacari Asrama (310) 837-5283 LA Temple Website: harekrishnala.com rvc.edu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 > It is my humble opinion that we should not place much confidence in the > opinion of mundane scientists, cheating journalists, etc. in regards to the > various opinions of Peak oil. Since the beginning of creation, the demons and the demigods, or the Vaisnavas, are always the two classes of living beings to dominate the planets of the universes. Lord Brahma is the first demigod, and Hiranyaksa is the first demon in this universe. Only under certain conditions do the planets float as weightless balls in the air, and as soon as these conditions are disturbed, the planets may fall down in the Garbhodaka Ocean, which covers half the universe. The other half is the spherical dome within which the innumerable planetary systems exist. The floating of the planets in the weightless air is due to the inner constitution of the globes, and the modernized drilling of the earth to exploit oil from within is a sort of disturbance by the modern demons and can result in a greatly harmful reaction to the floating condition of the earth. A similar disturbance was created formerly by the demons headed by Hiranyaksa (the great exploiter of the gold rush), and the earth was detached from its weightless condition and fell down into the Garbhodaka Ocean. >>> Ref. VedaBase => SB 2.7.1 That is going on. He wants this facility. Now before these motorcars, people were walking on foot. All business was being done. But we wanted a machine like that, so Krsna has given us brain to manufacture. That's all. But what you will benefit by this? Therefore Krsna says, "You give up all this nonsense proposal." But they will not do that. They will create another nonsense desire. That desire should be stopped. That is desireless. Because they will go on simply proposing some nonsense desire... That is their material existence. Now, they have discovered this, made this motor, nice... Now there is problem, no power, gasoline. And if the gasoline is stopped, then your whole endeavor is gone. So this is their business. They are manufacturing something which will entangle him more and more. That he does not know. >>> Ref. VedaBase => Morning Walk -- January 10, 1974, Los Angeles These reckless prodigal sons, we have got so many examples. For example, just like there is some stock of petroleum and they got information that from petroleum they can run on cars without horse. So, manufacture millions of cars and spoil the whole oil. This is recklessness. And when it is finished, then they'll cry. And it will be finished. This is going on. Recklessness. Just as reckless boy, father has left some property, use it, use it. As soon as you get. The sooner it is finished, that's all. That is recklessness. There is some strength in the body, and as soon as he gets a little taste of sex life, "Oh, spend it, spend it," whole energy spent. The brain becomes vacant. This is recklessness. Beginning from twelfth year, by the thirty year, everything finished. Then he's impotent. In our childhood -- in our childhood means, say, eighty years ago, or say, a hundred years ago -- there was no motorcar. And now, wherever you go, in any country, you see thousands and millions of car. This is recklessness. Hundreds years ago they could do without motorcar, and now they cannot live without a car. In this way, unnecessarily, they're increasing bodily or material necessities of life. This is recklessness. >>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation With French Commander -- August 3, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Arya Siddhanta (das) DG (Los Angeles, CA - US) wrote: >All glories to Sri Sri Gaura-nitai 3/28/05 > >Please accept my humble obeisances, >all glories to Srila Prabhupada, > >Dear Devotees, > >It is my humble opinion that we should not place much confidence in the >opinion of mundane scientists, cheating journalists, etc. in regards to the >various opinions of Peak oil. There are many well researched articles from >comparably authoritative sources stating that "peak oil" is a myth. Links >below. > >http://rense.com/general63/myth.htm > >http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html > Hmm... I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but the common effect when someone begins a remark with "in my humble opinion" is that the person is going to arrogantly dismiss what someone else has says. As soon as someone says, "in my humble opinion" to me, I say, "Uh-oh -- they're about to kick me in the teeth." Devotees may want to keep that in mind. As far as I know, I don't believe that Srila Prabhupada ever used that expression, even though he could be quite humble on many occasions. Perhaps that is why. Also, while the article that is suggested here has many interesting points, it's not clear to me why the articles mentioned in previous postings have been summarily dismissed as "opinions of mundane scientists and cheating journalists" but this new article is in a different category. From my perspective, it seems that all these articles are a mixture of truth and error. Not sure why the author of the article recommended is more "authoritative" than the authors of the other articles. >I feel our time is better spent putting our minds on projects within ISKCON >such as the "Varnasrama Proposal" made by Danavir Goswami a few months back. >Granted some consideration should be given to the various preparations for >the future amid a variety of chaotic crumblings of society. > I missed hearing about Danavir Maharaja's "Varnasrama Proposal." Where can we learn more? I hear a lot of so called varnasrama proposals which are largely focussed on promoting rigid social norms, but very few which emphasize Srila Prabhupada's ideas of occupational training, cow protection and self-sufficiency. Hopefully, Maharaja's proposal fills the much-needed gap in the later category. Tamal Krsna, "How will you start varnasrama, Srila Prabhupada?" Srila Prabhupada, "I will go to Gita-nagari. I will sit down, and I will teach you how to live off the land." If we could find just one swami to take a vow of eating no grains unless they are produced by protected oxen, then I think we would have taken a giant step toward filling Srila Prabhupada's vision of cow protection and varnasrama. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi > >Your servant, >Arya Siddhanta dasa > >address: 3764 Watseka Ave. > Los Angeles, CA 90034 >Email: Arya.siddhanta.dg (AT) pamho (DOT) net >Phone: (310) 836-1882 Brahmacari Asrama > (310) 837-5283 LA Temple >Website: harekrishnala.com > rvc.edu > >----------------------- >To from this mailing list, send an email to: >Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 In a message dated 3/29/2005 9:50:27 AM Mountain Standard Time, npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu writes: when someone begins a remark with "in my humble opinion" Kdd: The prabhu who wrote the post said, "It is my humble opinion," not "in my humble opinion." "In my humble opinion" is definitely overused and tends to be sarcastic, but the prabhu factually did not use that phrase. "I don't believe that Srila Prabhupada ever used that expression, " Kdd: Prabhupada never used millions of expressions that we use today. I think people should be allowed to speak what's on their mind without checking to see if Prabhupada ever used that exact sentence structure. Isn't content more important than "devotee lingo"? " is more "authoritative" than the authors of the other articles." Kdd: The prabhu who wrote the post said, "comparably authoritative," not "more" authoritative. Rabindranatha Prabhu, please remove me from this list. Thank you. Kalavati devi dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 In a message dated 3/29/2005 9:50:27 AM Mountain Standard Time, npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu writes: If we could find just one swami to take a vow of eating no grains Swami's are beggars. Why should they have to take a vow that others are not willing to take? (I mean besides their sannyasa vows of course) Why not wealthy grhastas? Why not all cow worker people? Why not anyone who proposes such a standard? What about no sweet rice for all of ISKCON? Yikes - I think that might cause a real problem. We are all individuals and we have to act with authenticity and make our choices with integrity. Each individual is responsible for their own life/choices/karma/convictions whether they are involved with an institution or not. The fact is that there were huge herds and huge communities with grains and milk and cow bliss a while back in ISKCON history but due to *hard hearts* and *weak intelligence*, not to mention greed and fraud, it was all pillaged. Cows were abandoned, horses were sold, tractors were embraced. We can't blame certain varnas or ashramas - we must simply have integrity and take responsibility for those issues in which we can actually contribute. Simplistic vratas will do little to remedy anything. Only interpersonal health, thoughtfulness, consistent action and hard work will. It is of utmost importance to build the intelligence, protect the conscience, and give freedom to devotees so they can actually be awake and real enough to know what they're doing in their own basic dealings, what to speak of developing world wide cow protection. We must first become conscious, then we can better become Krishna conscious - then we can protect some cows. Your lowly servant, Kalavati devi dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Kalavatidevi108 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: > In a message dated 3/29/2005 9:50:27 AM Mountain Standard Time, > npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu writes: > > when > someone begins a remark with "in my humble opinion" > > > Kdd: The prabhu who wrote the post said, "It is my humble opinion," > not "in my humble opinion." > > "In my humble opinion" is definitely overused and tends to be > sarcastic, but the prabhu factually did not use that phrase. My apologies. ys hkdd > > > "I don't believe that Srila Prabhupada ever used that > expression, " > > > Kdd: Prabhupada never used millions of expressions that we use > today. I think people should be allowed to speak what's on their mind > without checking to see if Prabhupada ever used that exact sentence > structure. Isn't content more important than "devotee lingo"? > > > > " is more "authoritative" than the authors of the > other articles." > > Kdd: > > The prabhu who wrote the post said, "comparably authoritative," not > "more" authoritative. > > > Rabindranatha Prabhu, please remove me from this list. > > Thank you. > Kalavati devi dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 In a message dated 3/29/05 1:10:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kalavatidevi108 (AT) aol (DOT) com writes: > It is of utmost importance to build the intelligence, protect the > conscience, > and give freedom to devotees so they can actually be awake and real enough > to > know what they're doing in their own basic dealings, what to speak of > developing world wide cow protection. We must first become conscious, then > we > can > better become Krishna conscious - then we can protect some cows. > > Well said. I need to start with myself. not very humble, ekaBuddhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 I wasn't clear who was asking to be taken off this list. If it was Kalavati, then please take me off also. It is her wisdom that I look forward to. obeisances ekaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Was someone offended? I'm a little confused by these sudden departures. Hare Krishna y/s Pandu das > > Ekabuddh (AT) aol (DOT) com [Ekabuddh (AT) aol (DOT) com] > Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:14 AM > Cow (Protection and related issues) > Re: Peak oil discussion > > I wasn't clear who was asking to be taken off this list. > If it was Kalavati, then please take me off also. It is her wisdom that I > look forward to. > obeisances ekaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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