Kunstler: The Long Emergency - the crash after Peak Oil Productio

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Pancaratna ACBSP <Pancaratna.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

Monday, March 28, 2005 9:02 pm

Kunstler: The Long Emergency - the crash after Peak Oil Production -

March 2005

 

> Dandavad. Prabhupada kijaya!

>

> THank you for your comment:

>

> > And I wonder about ISKCON's leadership. Are they still building for

> > jet-set tourist meccas that will be inaccessible in 15 years?

> Are they

> > interested in protecting cows and training oxen so that we can

> make the

> > most of our preaching opportunities in the hard times to come?

>

> I am using it to stir more energy in the direction of sustainable

> development in Mayapur Project.

>

> BTW, the economics of making Mayapur a center of pilgrimage is not

> based on

> jet-setting tourists (although Srila Prabhupada wanted to "attract

> the whole

> world") , but train and bus traveling Indians, who may be best

> prepared for

> the coming oil shortages.

 

Yes, I realize they are a significant sector -- but aren't their busses and

trains powered by fossil fuel? When the price of oil doubles, doesn't that

have a substantial impact on the price of a bus ticket? Or is there some other

cushion or subsidy in India that shields those prices from increase?

 

>

> Your servant,

> Pancaratna das

>

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Pancaratna ACBSP wrote:

 

>>Yes, I realize they are a significant sector -- but aren't their busses

>>and trains powered by fossil fuel?

>>When the price of oil doubles, doesn't

>>that have a substantial impact on the price of a bus ticket? Or is there

>>some other cushion or subsidy in India that shields those prices from

>>increase?

>>

>>

>

>I'm not saying there won't be an effect. Just that it may not be as severe

>as more oil-dependent countries.

>

>Your servant,

>Pancaratna das

>

I guess I see what you mean. Even Indian tourism will probably be

reduced by rising oil prices, but since the price impact won't be as

drastic, it will still continue for some time on a higher level than

foreign tourism.

 

In fact, even without fossil fuel, it could still continue, just as

pilgrimages were made by foot in earlier days. Just that it would be

much reduced from what it is now when a whole family can get on a bus

and visit some site with a 3 or 4 hour bus trip.

 

Actually, Srila Prabhupada makes a reference to the introduction of

railroads in India in one conversation. The British wanted to open up

India to exploit its resources, so they wanted to put in railroads.

However, the people were opposed to this. So the British sold it this

way, "But just think, you'll be able to visit all your sites of

pilgrimage so easily!" Prabhupada says then the railroads were approved.

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi

 

>

>

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> Yes, I realize they are a significant sector -- but aren't their busses

> and trains powered by fossil fuel?

>When the price of oil doubles, doesn't

> that have a substantial impact on the price of a bus ticket? Or is there

> some other cushion or subsidy in India that shields those prices from

> increase?

 

I'm not saying there won't be an effect. Just that it may not be as severe

as more oil-dependent countries.

 

Your servant,

Pancaratna das

[Guest guest]

eka Buddhi's not so humble assessment of Peak Oil.

 

I understand that as devotees you don't watch TV. There have been and are

car designs made and running that need little or no oil. They could be ready

to

go.

This war on terror is about squeezing as much oil out of Iraq as possible in

the short amount of time they have before the public realizes this.

 

Prices will soar. This is the oil mans last chance to make billions out of

his black gold. At the turn of the century striking coal workers and their

families were shot to death for striking. The greedily wealthy could get away

with that. Now we are more civilized. We start a crusade. We kill in the

name of God. Very modern idea.

But we need to get at that oil now, before it is worthless. Before solar

power, hydrogen power, bio diesel etc....becomes the norm.

 

It is not lack of oil that will cause major trauma. It is abundance of

greed. Lack of respect for those unlike ourselves. Complacency once we see

what

is actually happening.

 

Don't hope for major devastation to be appreciated for cow power. Work the

oxen, care for the cows, because it is the gentle, loving way to treat mother

earth. Show a peaceful way to exist. Not just with this animal that was dear

to Krishna, but with every living entity. What was one became many.

 

I pray that my grammar isn't being analyzed, save that for my character, God

knows that is in grave need of repair.

eka