Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 - "Rupanuga (das) TKG (Dallas, TX - US)" <Rupanuga.TKG (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:50 pm idea > Interesting thought. Maybe compile a list of working ISKCON farms > aroundthe world? Or maybe that info is already available somewhere. > To some extent, it's available in the Back to Godhead. What about listing all the ISKCON Farms on the ISCOWP website. Then for farms who fill out their annual reports and submit them, we could include a special emblem (Lord Balaram's plow?) that indicates "Ministry of Cow Protection and Agriculture registered for 2004" or whatever the date. The emblem would be a link to the report or an condensed report. To have the emblem would become an important feature for raising funds for the project. We could include two categories, official farms, and farms that are run by independent devotees. There is nothing like the promise of good publicity to encourage higher standards. "Oh yes, we wanted to contribute to your project, but we were wondering about it, since we did not see any report on your farm registered with the Ministry of Cow Protection for this year..." ys hkdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 WOW! VERY GOOD IDEA!!! ----- In a message dated 2/14/2004 9:10:24 PM Central Standard Time, npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu writes: Then for farms who fill out their annual reports and submit them, we could include a special emblem (Lord Balaram's plow?) that indicates "Ministry of Cow Protection and Agriculture registered for 2004" or whatever the date. The emblem would be a link to the report or an condensed report. To have the emblem would become an important feature for raising funds for the project. We could include two categories, official farms, and farms that are run by independent devotees. There is nothing like the promise of good publicity to encourage higher standards. "Oh yes, we wanted to contribute to your project, but we were wondering about it, since we did not see any report on your farm registered with the Ministry of Cow Protection for this year..." ys hkdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 And there's nothing like positive publicity to attract the hearts (and thus, the funds) of persons who would gladly contribute to a solid project, even if begun and maintained through the efforts of only a couple of sincere souls (anyone come to mind?). I suspect there are more than a few Krishna bhaktas out there who want to see the dream of working farms kept alive, even if they themselves can't find a way to be physically involved at the present moment. >From what I have seen of our city temples, there's a problem with just making the mortgage payments and keeping the lights on. But I also know there are devotees who would, and do, regularly sponsor programs outside the immediate temple activities. The gurukula in Dallas, for example, has not been funded by the temple for over 20 years; yet, there are those who believe strongly enough in what goes on there to keep paying tuitions for their kids, or make regular donations, even though they might have chosen to send their kids to public school. And all that, mainly because they have some faith in the vision of the persons who have stuck with the project throughout 20 years of temporary setbacks. So, I think the ideas of both Gopal and Hare Krishna Prabhus to show the world some evidence of programs that work, despite the lack of support from others in command, would have surprisingly positive results. Better to use honey to attract the honeybees, than the alternative. Your servant, Rupanuga das Gopal das writes: I found by a recent inquiry that there are also some devotees making a farm in Kansas (near by). It would be nice to sort of get a scope on what is happening all around, who is involved and who would like to be. Hare Krishna devi writes: To some extent, it's available in the Back to Godhead. What about listing all the ISKCON Farms on the ISCOWP website. Then for farms who fill out their annual reports and submit them, we could include a special emblem (Lord Balaram's plow?) that indicates "Ministry of Cow Protection and Agriculture registered for 2004" or whatever the date. The emblem would be a link to the report or an condensed report. To have the emblem would become an important feature for raising funds for the project. We could include two categories, official farms, and farms that are run by independent devotees. There is nothing like the promise of good publicity to encourage higher standards. "Oh yes, we wanted to contribute to your project, but we were wondering about it, since we did not see any report on your farm registered with the Ministry of Cow Protection for this year..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Of course having said all this, I guess I should point out that we would need to figure out a way that this does not become yet another task for the already heavily burdened Chaya and Balabhadra. This could only be practical if there is someone here who knows enough about web design that they could set up and maintain an ISKCON farm registry on a separate page that would be linked to ISCOWP. Also someone who knows about form design could design an online PDF form that devotees could complete and e-mail back. I know that the IRS has forms like this. All the questions are written on the PDF, and when you fill in your response online, it types up in blue. Then you save it and send it back to them. For farms that don't have computer access, they could just handwrite their response in the spaces and mail it to the webmaster. The webmaster could scan the paper forms and post them also. In other words, an idea like this is not practical if it means that Chaya and Balabhadra Prabhus have to do all the work of soliciting forms, retyping the data and then posting them online. So, it's a question of "belling the cat" as they say. Sounds like a good idea, but who is actually willing to do it? Is there someone other than Chaya and Balabhadra who has the expertise and would be willing to make the commitment to develop this. I might be able to help design the questionnaire layout - but I don't completely understand how you make it so it can be filled out online. I also knokw nothing about managing a website. ys hkdd - "Noma T. Petroff" <npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu> Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:00 pm Re: idea - online farm register > - > "Rupanuga (das) TKG (Dallas, TX - US)" <Rupanuga.TKG (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:50 pm > idea > > > Interesting thought. Maybe compile a list of working ISKCON > farms > > aroundthe world? Or maybe that info is already available somewhere. > > > > To some extent, it's available in the Back to Godhead. What > about listing all the ISKCON Farms on the ISCOWP website. > > Then for farms who fill out their annual reports and submit them, > we could include a special emblem (Lord Balaram's plow?) that > indicates "Ministry of Cow Protection and Agriculture registered > for 2004" or whatever the date. > > The emblem would be a link to the report or an condensed report. > To have the emblem would become an important feature for raising > funds for the project. > > We could include two categories, official farms, and farms that > are run by independent devotees. > > There is nothing like the promise of good publicity to encourage > higher standards. > > "Oh yes, we wanted to contribute to your project, but we were > wondering about it, since we did not see any report on your farm > registered with the Ministry of Cow Protection for this year..." > > ys > > hkdd > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Good insight, as usual, Hare Krishna devi. If the forms were developed, then perhaps it would not be burdensome to post them on the ISCOWP web site. What do you think, Chayadevi? Then, maybe a notice on Dipika and Chakra with a link to the forms? Of course, not all ISKCON farm communities are likely to have Internet access. But if the articles are read by the right persons, maybe the word will get to the farms. Anyhow, it's worth a try. A registry could be developed as information begins to flow in. Hare Krishna Prabhu, you want to formulate some pertinent questions for the forms? If we go ahead and begin, I think help will emerge for constructing the type of forms you mentioned. I'm including a copy of this message to Madhavendra Puri Prabhu, here in Dallas, who is working with our congregation members. I know that there is some considerable expertise in web page design among our members. Rupanuga das _ Hare Krishna devi writes: Of course having said all this, I guess I should point out that we would need to figure out a way that this does not become yet another task for the already heavily burdened Chaya and Balabhadra. This could only be practical if there is someone here who knows enough about web design that they could set up and maintain an ISKCON farm registry on a separate page that would be linked to ISCOWP. Also someone who knows about form design could design an online PDF form that devotees could complete and e-mail back. I know that the IRS has forms like this. All the questions are written on the PDF, and when you fill in your response online, it types up in blue. Then you save it and send it back to them. For farms that don't have computer access, they could just handwrite their response in the spaces and mail it to the webmaster. The webmaster could scan the paper forms and post them also. In other words, an idea like this is not practical if it means that Chaya and Balabhadra Prabhus have to do all the work of soliciting forms, retyping the data and then posting them online. So, it's a question of "belling the cat" as they say. Sounds like a good idea, but who is actually willing to do it? Is there someone other than Chaya and Balabhadra who has the expertise and would be willing to make the commitment to develop this. I might be able to help design the questionnaire layout - but I don't completely understand how you make it so it can be filled out online. I also knokw nothing about managing a website. ys hkdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Just in case my last post was misunderstood, I think it's great if the database IS big and fancy and if someone can do this, go for it! I can't offer that, but I can still offer to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 - "Rupanuga (das) TKG (Dallas, TX - US)" <Rupanuga.TKG (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:05 pm Re: idea - online farm register > Good insight, as usual, Hare Krishna devi. If the forms were > developed,then perhaps it would not be burdensome to post them on > the ISCOWP web site. > What do you think, Chayadevi? Then, maybe a notice on Dipika and > Chakrawith a link to the forms? Of course, not all ISKCON farm > communities are > likely to have Internet access. But if the articles are read by > the right > persons, maybe the word will get to the farms. > > Anyhow, it's worth a try. A registry could be developed as information > begins to flow in. Hare Krishna Prabhu, you want to formulate some > pertinent questions for the forms? Well actually, the Ministry of Cow Protection and Agriculture has already formulate good questions by collaborating with the members of the Cow conference. They are on page 66 of the "Cow Protection" book published by the Ministry of Cow Protection. They are also probably online right now -- just not laid out in a regular form. The main thing that's needed is to work on the formatting a little -- and to figure out how to make a form where you can type in answers online. I can try to do this part by March 1. But is there anyone who knows enough about doing websites that they could provide assistance on that end -- including linking the e-mailed PDF's (not too difficult) and scanning and linking the paper PDF's? Also, what do Chaya and Balabhadra think about this idea? The reality is that most GBC will not encourage their farms projects to complete these forms. So then there's the political reality of the embarrassment when farms don't bother to complete the forms. On one hand, it should be good because it will pressure people involved to get more serious. On the other hand, it is Chaya and Balabhadra who have to deal with anyone who decides they aren't happy. Also, there is the reality that we may start this project -- but how long is there a commitment to maintain it? So, Chaya and Balabhadra, what are your thoughts on this? your servant, Hare Krsna dasi If we go ahead and begin, I > think help > will emerge for constructing the type of forms you mentioned. I'm > includinga copy of this message to Madhavendra Puri Prabhu, here > in Dallas, who is > working with our congregation members. I know that there is some > considerable expertise in web page design among our members. > > Rupanuga das > _ > > Hare Krishna devi writes: > Of course having said all this, I guess I should point out that we > wouldneed > to figure out a way that this does not become yet another task for the > already > heavily burdened Chaya and Balabhadra. > > This could only be practical if there is someone here who knows > enough about > web design that they could set up and maintain an ISKCON farm > registry on a > separate page that would be linked to ISCOWP. > > Also someone who knows about form design could design an online > PDF form > that > devotees could complete and e-mail back. > > I know that the IRS has forms like this. All the questions are > written on > the > PDF, and when you fill in your response online, it types up in > blue. Then > you > save it and send it back to them. > > For farms that don't have computer access, they could just > handwrite their > response in the spaces and mail it to the webmaster. The > webmaster could > scan > the paper forms and post them also. > > In other words, an idea like this is not practical if it means > that Chaya > and > Balabhadra Prabhus have to do all the work of soliciting forms, > retyping the > data and then posting them online. > > So, it's a question of "belling the cat" as they say. Sounds like > a good > idea, > but who is actually willing to do it? Is there someone other than > Chaya and > Balabhadra who has the expertise and would be willing to make the > commitmentto > develop this. > > I might be able to help design the questionnaire layout - but I don't > completely understand how you make it so it can be filled out > online. I > also > knokw nothing about managing a website. > > ys > > hkdd > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 - Kalavatidevi108 (AT) aol (DOT) com Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:40 pm Re: idea - online farm register > Just in case my last post was misunderstood, I think it's great if > the > database IS big and fancy and if someone can do this, go for it! > I can't offer > > that, but I can still offer to help. As far as a "data base" the easiest thing to do is simply to start with the "farm" listings in the January issue of Back to Godhead (it may also be on the BTG website. All that's needed is a simple MS Word document with the list. Then the web assistant can add stars and links to the PDF's as the forms are sent in. You could just type a list like this: ASIA Ahmedabad District (Hare Krishna Farm) Katwada (contanct ISKCON Ahmedabad) Assam Karnamadhu, Dist. Karimgani Chamorshi, Maharastra 78 Krishnanagara Dham Dist. Gahadhiroli 442 603/Tel (0218)623473.... OTHER ASIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 On line registery - okay. Just pointing out that the thought behind the GBC visiting their projects was to monitor things were going as they should to try prevent the possibilty of some farm leader making misrepresentations about the project. It was a check and balance issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Visit us at: www.iscowp.org > [Original Message] > Iscowp <iscowp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> > Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com> > 2/16/2004 12:36:37 PM > Re: idea - online farm register > > > [Original Message] > > Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com> > > > > On line registery - okay. Just pointing out that the thought behind the GBC > > visiting their projects was to monitor things were going as they should to > > try prevent the possibilty of some farm leader making misrepresentations > > about the project. It was a check and balance issue. > > Yes, we wanted to clarify that also. We had long discussions on the conference about how in several projects the head cowherd could not be trusted as there were reports of abuse, financial cheating, etc.concerning the cowherds activities and there needed to be a check on this. It is not always that the cowherd is the saint and the TP and GBC are the devil. > > > > Visit us at: www.iscowp.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 > [Original Message] > Iscowp <iscowp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> > Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com> > 2/16/2004 12:36:37 PM > Re: idea - online farm register > > > [Original Message] > > Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) ovnet (DOT) com> > > > > On line registery - okay. Just pointing out that the thought behind the GBC > > visiting their projects was to monitor things were going as they should to > > try prevent the possibilty of some farm leader making misrepresentations > > about the project. It was a check and balance issue. > > Yes, we wanted to clarify that also. We had long discussions on the conference about how in several projects the head cowherd could not be trusted as there were reports of abuse, financial cheating, etc.concerning the cowherds activities and there needed to be a check on this. It is not always that the cowherd is the saint and the TP and GBC are the devil. > > > > Visit us at: www.iscowp.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 > > The main thing that's needed is to work on the formatting a little -- and to > figure out how to make a form where you can type in answers online. I can try > to do this part by March 1. > > But is there anyone who knows enough about doing websites that they could > provide assistance on that end -- including linking the e-mailed PDF's (not too > difficult) and scanning and linking the paper PDF's? > Just send me the form and I can easily link it to any other pages we decide to use for the Ministry section. Your Ox Power Unit pdf was very easy to link to the other pages for the section "Working with Oxen" I have a scanner - so easy to make a page of teh scanned information. I am not sure though that having the entire form up in the web site is needed. Maybe just the star idea with categories and then if anyone wants to read more they can make a request. -Not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 > > > > The main thing that's needed is to work on the formatting a little -- and to > > figure out how to make a form where you can type in answers online. I can try > > to do this part by March 1. > > > > But is there anyone who knows enough about doing websites that they could > > provide assistance on that end -- including linking the e-mailed PDF's (not too > > difficult) and scanning and linking the paper PDF's? > > > Just send me the form and I can easily link it to any other pages we decide to use for the Ministry section. Your Ox Power Unit pdf was very easy to link to the other pages for the section "Working with Oxen" I have a scanner - so easy to make a page of teh scanned information. I am not sure though that having the entire form up in the web site is needed. Maybe just the star idea with categories and then if anyone wants to read more they can make a request. -Not sure. I meant here that I am not sure having the entire form that is filled out by a farm up on the web site is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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