Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 ....tuff question... We just killed a snake this morning, that was sleeping under the cow's grass basket. it's either us or the snake. it was a real poisonous one. y.s. Hrimati dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 In a properly managed managed modern bee hive, there is no need to kill the queen, or any bees, and, especially since it is expensive to requeen a hive, you don't want to kill her every year.. Worst thing is that after 2-3 years the queen becomes weak and it is necessary to replace here. I kept bes for years until the mites got too bad and it stopped being easy. Using the two types of hive bodies and removeable frames works fine. Unless you really make a mess of it :-) I started a garden where a pasture was, so no chemicals ahd been used for? i dunno really, then gardened it organically for 8 years. I rotated palnt varieties and added wood ash, rock phosphate and lots of composted cow manure. By the end, I couldn't grow potatoes because of the flea beetles, beans because of the Mexican bean beetle, or squash becuase of the squash bug. This year we are fallowing practically everything, hoping to break the insect's life cycle. We used nonhybrid, heritage seed that originally was difficult to locate, tho now is realatively easy, and absorbed the resultant lack of disease resistance and lower yields, still got creamed by certain insects on certain crops. I have noticed that sometimes, certain individuals in relatively same circumstances, one person grows a certain crop easily and can't grow others, when the second person gets the opposite results. Micro climate? Subtle differences in soil types? Karma? sometimes you can't find a logical reason. There may be one, but you can't figure it out. Crop rotation breaks insect cycles, but just rotating small amounts of a, say beans, in a quarter acre garden doesn't help as much as having the rotation be a greater difference, hundreds or more feet apart. The "monoculture" thing is not so applicable to small plots of say, one acre potato field. Monoculture is like where I grew up, where the minimum field size was generally 40 acres. According to the Bible, a piece of land should lie fallow every 7 years. That breaks insect cycles. In our climate, the first umberfellae (i am sure I mispelled that) that blooms is the perennial, lovage. The young shoots are used as a celery substitute in soup, but it gets quite large, and that is the family of plants that are magnets for parastic wasps (includes carrots, queen anne's lace etc). That draws them in and gives them feedstock to multiply on. I put out suet blocks in teh winter to help the insectivarious birds thru the harsh time, inorder to maximize production. It is true that we never see certain insects like horned worms or aphids, some more I can't think of off hand because they aren't a problem for me. The only place I see aphids, interestingly enough, is on some native, species, nonhybrid tobacco we grow for the intoxictingly amazing night fragrance it throws off. Plus, tobacco is a sacred plant in North America. Misuse it for sense gratification, and YOU DIE! :-) If you don't grow everything you eat, and supplement from the store, then you are eating chemicals and voting with your money for the continuance of chemical farming. Using judicious amounts of organic insecticide is a step up from that and that is the principle of advancement. If you can't do one thing, at least do the next best thing. Not using organic insecticide on some principle, and then going out and buying chemical produce and thinking that is okay, is hypocrisy IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 No ,we dont know that in an emergency even a cow may be killed! What emergency? What authority and who is to decide.? A cow is NEVER to be killed. that we know. If you are talking about euthanasia that is also not allowed . You are not right to make such a statement . It is best to make a pest repellent and spray your crops. We use cow urine 10% and a little neem oil .05 and a little soap( non toxic) solution to prevent oil clog You can use ground up green chili in ater( filtered) and of course GARLIC.. so many are there / You can sonsult Rodale 's organic farming manuals from library . If chemical pesticides are used the good insects also die, the birds too and groundwater gets polluted and next generation of humans gets genetic defects . Then aggression against the insects seems to make it multiply... more aggression. You can try talking them too and ask them to leave your crops alone or just stick to one plant and leave the rest. This works for some people, Geese and ducks help. Lady birds help, and Praying Mantis, Spraying red chili ground up in water solution kept rats from from eating my pineapples, Tea is a pesticide. You can use gobar ash for some insects too unlimited possibilities, and also handpicking and removing from the scene to another place is very effective for snails and others. yslLabangalatika dasi - Syamasundara <Syamasundara (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:42 AM Dealing with unwanted insects > Haribol Prabhus, > > we had this discussion some time ago. I am not sure if it was ever resolved. > > In the 7th Canto of the SB Prahlada mentions about how a grhasts should look > after various living entities as children. Srila Prabhupada in the puport > says that it is forbidden to use pesticides. > > Now what types of insect control are permissable and in what circumstances. > > If you had an infestation in your rice or wheat harvest what can you do > about it? > > Bees. Is there any way one can harvest honey without killing any bees. > Modern hives have queen seperators but still modern bee keeping requires the > young queens to be killed. Traditional hives are a complete mix of honey and > bee grubs. > > We know that in an emergency even the killing of a cow is allowed so what > can be killed in the normal farming process and in what circumstances. > > Comments please. > > ys syam > > ----------------------- > To from this mailing list, send an email to: > Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Well, I don't know the name exactly... I have to ask the man again. Did you not get the attachment of the picture? it was red and had little white double lines on it. In this area, a lot of people get bit by snakes. A couple of years ago even the snake charmer at hular ghat was bitten by one of his snakes. he only had enough time to put the snake back into the basket, before he died. Right now there is Manasi Pooja time. One man from around here always does a big pooja and I make sure to give him my donation of 50 rupees.:-) I know about the non poisonous snakes. Those we do not harm. This one was between two baskets in the cow barn. Our cowherd picked up the basket and found the snake sleeping on the basket underneath. Gauranga (the cowherd) said that the poison of this snake is slow working. However, it is very deadly. There are even snakes here that are only the size of little threads or very small worms. However, they have two mouth on each end of them. if they get into your shoe or something, you are finished. Gaurang told me that he knew of a boy that did not survive the bite of this snake. Cobras we have many here, also Vipers and tree vipers especially. Kraits I think are more rare in this area. y.s. Hrimati dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 >What is the line between allowed managed pest control and one not > allowed for followers of Lord Krishna. Does anyone have a relevant quote to > contribute to this discussion. It would be good to have a standard we can > measure ourselves by. Scripture doesn't have all the answers to practical matters. For instance, how can devotees farmers be compelled to not use control measures when most devotees buy out of the market where perticides are freely used? If there is some absolute injunction against killing insects, why are devotees allowed to drive petroleum fueled vehicles? After all, those yellowish green splotches on the window aren't smashed petals from demigods showering flowers - they are dead insects, killed by the devotee driving the vehicle, Even guru in ISKCON does it, so why can't farmers and gardeners use minimalist approaches to pest control? Where are the scriptural quotes authorizing use of cars and trucks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 (I sent the following out after receiving the initial email on the topic, but never received on feedback on it, which might mean it never made it to the conference. Which would justify resending it. Or it was so ridiculous it didn't deserve comment. Or it was so universally accepted noone needed to comment :-) In a properly managed managed modern bee hive, there is no need to kill the queen, and, especially since it is expensive to requeen a hive, you don't want to kill her every year.. Worst thing is that after 2-3 years the queen becomes weak and it is necessary to replace here. I kept bees for years until the mites got too bad and it stopped being easy. I started a garden where a pasture was, so no chemicals had been used for? I dunno really, then gardened it organically for 8 years. I rotated plant varieties and added wood ash, rock phosphate and lots of composted cow manure. By the end, I couldn't grow potatoes because of the flea beetles,beans because of the Mexican bean beetle, or squash because of the squash bug. This year we are fallowing practically everything, hoping to break the insect's life cycle. We used nonhybrid, heritage seed that originally was difficult to locate, tho now is realatively easy, and absorbed the resultant lack of disease resistance and lower yields, still got creamed by certain insects on certain crops. I have noticed that sometimes, certain individuals in relatively same circumstances, one person grows a certain crop easily and can't grow others, when the second person gets the opposite results. Micro climate? Subtle differences in soil types? Karma? Sometimes you can't find a logical reason. There may be one, but you can't figure it out. Crop rotation breaks insect cycles, but just rotating small amounts of, say beans, in a quarter acre garden doesn't help as much as having the rotation be a greater difference, hundreds or more feet apart. The "monoculture" thing is not so applicable to a small plot of say, a one acre potato field. Monoculture is like where I grew up, where the minimum field size was generally 40 acres. According to the Bible, a piece of land should lie fallow every 7 years. That breaks insect cycles, at minimum. In our climate, the first umberfellae (i am sure I mispelled that) that blooms is the perennial, lovage. The young shoots are used as a celery substitute in soup, but it gets quite large, and that is the family of plants that are magnets for parastic wasps (includes carrots, queen anne's lace etc). That draws them in and gives them feedstock to multiply on so they have good populations when insect populations are low.. I put out suet blocks in teh winter to help the insectivarious birds thru the harsh time, inorder to maximize production. It is true that we never see certain insects like horned worms or aphids, some more I can't think of off hand because they aren't a problem for me. The only place I see aphids, interestingly enough, is on some native, species, nonhybrid tobacco we grow for the intoxictingly amazing night fragrance it throws off. Plus, tobacco is a sacred plant in North America. Misuse it for sense gratification, and YOU DIE! :-) If you don't grow everything you eat, and supplement from the store, then you are eating chemicals and voting with your money for the continuance of chemical farming. Using judicious amounts of organic insecticide is a step up from that and that is the principle of advancement. If you can't do one thing, at least do the next best thing. Not using organic insecticide on some principle, and then going out and buying chemical produce and thinking that is okay, is hypocrisy IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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