Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 ....try a shot gun :-) In front of my house, when they plant the new patty, they have several men guard all day (and night) long the new crop holding large tin cans and banging them with a big stick making lots of noise. They also do lots of yelling and use rifles to shoot in the air and throw chocolate bombs etc. They have to do that until the plants grow big enough, so all those birds, who are there to get the little fish and insects, do not knock over the new seedlings. y.s. Hrimati dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 ....Because it is in our demoniac Western culture not to be merciful, we want to find excuses to kill our fellow living beings. Srila Prabhupada has commented extensively on the subject, however now we are comparing insects as our "enemies"?? I found a very nice passage of a Vyasa Puja offering : By meditating upon you, we discover the perfect guru, friend, father, and pure devotee of Lord Krsna. Srila Prabhupada, your birth and activities in this world were all auspicious and have brought great fortune into our lives. We want to assist you in your mission, but unfortunately we have none of your exalted qualities. We are still struggling to follow the basic principles of spiritual life. We are so much infected by this demoniac Western culture that we are deprived of the nectar of love for Krsna. How can we get purified of this contamination, this vile, infectious disease, this epidemic of materialistic life which is consuming our whole society? How can we avoid being also consumed? Only by your mercy, Srila Prabhupada, by hearing the words emanating from your lotus mouth. By carefully studying your books and serving you with faith, our consciousness is becoming gradually purified. We are still in a very sick condition, but we are trying to get well so that we may serve you nicely. We want to become good disciples, Srila Prabhupada. We want that you are proud of us as a father is proud of his children. But in our present condition we are an embarrassment. ......Radha-desa Chateau Benelux y.s. Hrimati dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Hirimati, A lovely and so beautiful exposition of the reality of our selves you have just presented. As Bhakti Rhaksasa Sridhara Maharaj said, when even insect and seen as our gurus then we will fully understand what it means to be more humble than straw and tolerant like a tree. If Krsna can be seen, in one way, as the expansiive complete organic whole, then we must find our ecological niche (sri isopanisad invocation and first mantra). It is not a case of controlling nature, but of finding niche ecology. This has become my understanding. In niche ecology all is as need be (artha), no excess desires (anartha), any kiling, either fully conscious or without knowing, is acceptable as it is necessary, an act of mercy. But as you say, we are so fallen we can only look to our masters in the hope that if even a drop of their mercy may fall into our mouths, like the (Patchaka?) bird who only drinks rain, we may in some way be useful to serve them, though we have no real qualifications to do so. Gopananda dasa "Hrimati (dd) ACBSP (Mayapur - IN)" <Hrimati.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote: ....Because it is in our demoniac Western culture not to be merciful, we want to find excuses to kill our fellow living beings. Srila Prabhupada has commented extensively on the subject, however now we are comparing insects as our "enemies"?? I found a very nice passage of a Vyasa Puja offering : By meditating upon you, we discover the perfect guru, friend, father, and pure devotee of Lord Krsna. Srila Prabhupada, your birth and activities in this world were all auspicious and have brought great fortune into our lives. We want to assist you in your mission, but unfortunately we have none of your exalted qualities. We are still struggling to follow the basic principles of spiritual life. We are so much infected by this demoniac Western culture that we are deprived of the nectar of love for Krsna. How can we get purified of this contamination, this vile, infectious disease, this epidemic of materialistic life which is consuming our whole society? How can we avoid being also consumed? Only by your mercy, Srila Prabhupada, by hearing the words emanating from your lotus mouth. By carefully studying your books and serving you with faith, our consciousness is becoming gradually purified. We are still in a very sick condition, but we are trying to get well so that we may serve you nicely. We want to become good disciples, Srila Prabhupada. We want that you are proud of us as a father is proud of his children. But in our present condition we are an embarrassment. ......Radha-desa Chateau Benelux y.s. Hrimati dasi ----------------------- To from this mailing list, send an email to: Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Photos. Get Photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2005 Report Share Posted August 27, 2005 Respected prabhu's Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. > from the points presented so far it seems there is a general understanding > that devotees will not consciously kill even a fly in agriculture. A > devotee will not squash a fly or poison the insects on the veg. Gopananda > talking about trees has reminded us of the 4th Canto where the destroying > of trees for the establishing of agricultural fields was permitted. > > Now we have to have a clear understanding on the natural arrangements of > pest minimisation: > We can not stamp on the rat but we can keep a cat who will eat the rat?. > We cannot kill the greenfly on the crops but we can encourage the ladybird > who will do it for us? > We cannot kill the birds but we can keep a dog or cat who may do it for > us? Jivo jicasya sevanam is law of nature. In our day to day life we cannot avoid killing. eg tilling, watering feild, etc all include killing which are unavoidable. Jivo jivasya jivanam is arrangement to keep natural balance. When we are sick and take medicines we kill millions of bacterias. But we can't avoid that. Ayuvedic medicines generally drive away the bacterias(virus etc). But a self realized soul like sanatana Goswami or Vasudev lepor did not take any action against their boil or leprosy reapectively. If we are on that level we can go for no killing of any pests either naturall or chemical methods. But if we immitate these pure devotees then we will unnecssarly kill ourselfs. If we feel aggrived that we are killing and not aggrived or in fact happy that pests are eating my crop then we can go for not using even naturall tachniques to controll them. If we ae on level of Vasudev lepor to pick up pest fallen from plant and put him back on crop and we fast tehn we can act like him. If not we might apply naturall methods. Also in organic farming when you have been doing it for few years and with organic seeds then slowly your land and enviorenment become adjusted to resist pests. Certainly problems of deers and birds have to dealt differently. Here I am spesking of small microbic pests. In maharashtra at one place some coconut plantation was disturbed by rats. So this gentelman put rat stool near the area of rat menance and it was effective. At another place foxes were distrbing sugercane and that farmer got some lion/tiger stool from zoo and put it around his feild from where wolves would come and that was also effective. So there can be other methods as well. We may have to do this every few weeks but even chemical have to be put regularly. In India all the goshallas at least in villages are visited by birds morning and evening to eat insects off cows body. So should we drive of birds and then put poison on cows body or pick the insect and kill it ourself or should we keep a bird as a pet. By we killing we are doing which is not nautral arrangment but keeping a bird pet we are allowing nature take its way. I am understaning that I am not very perfect in putting down my points but I am just sharing. Your Servant Madan Gopal Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2005 Report Share Posted August 27, 2005 > But a self realized soul like sanatana Goswami or Vasudev lepor did not take > any action against their boil or leprosy reapectively. If we are on that > level we can go for no killing of any pests either naturall or chemical > methods. But if we immitate these pure devotees then we will unnecssarly > kill ourselfs. Excellent point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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