Guest guest Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Good skeptical eye, as always, Hare Krishna devi. Examining the web page carefully will no doubt reveal flaws. I'm wondering whether anyone is available to do a physical on-site inspection in India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 No plan for at all for excess cows - it is all pretty ambiguous until you look at their "Goals" - big fundraiser for establishing a milking only herd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Hari bol! Actually I wrote to them exactly with that question and also about their ox program. Their reply was that they have another "sister Goshalla" who takes care of their bulls. They gave the name and place. I must admit that, at least from the pictures, the milk cows are taken care of nicely. However, to send off the "excess" cows and bulls may not be such a good idea. They have now two bull calves at present, one they will keep as bull and the other as ox. They are also getting two ox carts, one for work and the other for preaching in the villages near their ashram. The web site is not yet finished, he said and the ox part will be added soon. If he tells me where the place is I'd like to go there and check it out. Hoping this will meet you in the very best of health by the grace of Krishna. Hrimati dasi Please visit our Vaishnava family-friendly Web site http://www.gopalsofttoys.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 Apart from no clear plan for engaging bulls, they are breeding western cows . Holsteins, whose only purpose is to produce gallons of milk and male calves are not much use in Indian conditions and both ,cows and bulls, of western breeds are very hard to maintain with huge input and very disease prone. This type of breeding is spoiling the good Indian breeds but it is very prevalent in Karnataka, the state where they have the goshalla, because the British Dairy Board was in Bangalore and heavily promoted the imported western breeds to the detriment of good Indian cattle. However these people are not ISKCON although vaisnavas so they are obviously not aware of the standards of cow protection so you could present the facts nicely to them I'm sure they would become enlightened and review their policy.. Its ok to criticise thats its a milk scam. so preac h to them ,or as you prefer , exchange your views, but they have some enthusiasm to start a cow protection programme which I cant see any devotees in .,.that if you cant guarantee their livelihood for 20 years then dont do it/ You kill any will to do anything . Who has seen the next 20 years? Just try to direct these new cow website people and point out the facts that we all have from experience. Its easy to dismiss them but they have chosen to work with cows which is not the general trend esp among our devotees so dont disniss them with such contempt. Why dont you ( meaning conference in general) try saving some bulls? your servant Labangalatika dasi - Noma Petroff <npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu> Cc: Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:25 PM Re: new cow web site - Examine Carefully!! > Dasgopal (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: > > >Got Dharma? (bulls) > > > > Talk about poetic conciseness -- that really sums it up in two words! > > The thing that makes it more of a scam is that they are actually aware > of what is missing from their program. > > You will note that up at the top of their page are what appear to be > "links" saying "ox protection" and "bull protection" -- but they are > just dead-ends. They don't go anywhere. > > And when you add up all their numbers, it's clear that the great > majority of their herd is cows. Also, its very unclear where all the > calves went -- indicating a lack of lifetime protection. > > There are several other problems also. > > ys > hkdd > > > > > > >In a message dated 4/21/2004 7:12:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >Rupanuga.TKG (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: > > > > > > > >>Good skeptical eye, as always, Hare Krishna devi. Examining the web page > >>carefully will no doubt reveal flaws. I'm wondering > >>whether anyone is > >>available to do a physical on-site inspection in India. > >> > >>----------------------- > >>To from this mailing list, send an email to: > >>Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > >> > >> > > > >----------------------- > >To from this mailing list, send an email to: > >Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > To from this mailing list, send an email to: > Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 > > Better to donate your money to the Sikhs. As I recollect, it was the Jains. But same point - they are the real protectors, and just because they have taken a few so far doesn't mean they will take 20 a year in t he future. And no mention of what happens to the cows when they stop milking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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