Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your ketu has some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide your birth details. and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read horoscopes as well which part of the world do you live regards Tarun Chopra On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote: > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned people > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as to > share out of your kindness. > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there are by > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, just > move to the next link" > > jyotish-vani > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), widget > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > life has been wasted ;-) > > RR > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do you > realy know > > astrology > > > > Tarun Chopra > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > Pradesh, in > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend one of > my > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really in > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I will > write > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That SAME > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was I?? Why > am > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, experiencing no > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend with > my > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > opened > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, Parsi, > South > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, work > ethic > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but made no > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the authoritarian > > > that he was). > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > nuances > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, they > were > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the ex- > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > India > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the guy who > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > when I > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid you > not, > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > really!) > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost under > duress > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through all > those > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that his > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's son to > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable communal > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, as > all > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple evening even > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared for such > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > forced > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > Mehta to > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated by > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not figure > out > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to embrace! > It > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once we > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was crazy as a > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to teach me > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I never > could > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). I have > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance skill I > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) When > life > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near madman > stands > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > there > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but a > smile > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, Punjabis, > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran into > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, same > as > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and Bengalis (I > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in 0h so > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most tightly > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I did > not > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other cultures > when > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait that is > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be treated > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's or > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > announce > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of chemicals! > But > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the Judgment > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Nice to <NO> that you managed to read all that I have written ever in a couple of minutes! What Khan Chachaa managed to make me drop my jaws in my childhood (my! Was he ever a speedy gonzales typist!!) -- you have made me drop my jaws with your speedreading abilities! Do you agree and endorse to my recommendation of re-assessing the ashtakavarga not based on what is generally understood but the way Parashara described? ;-) I hope you side with me, TC!! RR , "Tarun Chopra" <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your ketu has > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide your > birth details. > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read horoscopes as > well > > which part of the world do you live > > regards > > Tarun Chopra > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned people > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as to > > share out of your kindness. > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there are by > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, just > > move to the next link" > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), widget > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do you > > realy know > > > astrology > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > Pradesh, in > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend one of > > my > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really in > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I will > > write > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That SAME > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was I?? Why > > am > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, experiencing no > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend with > > my > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > > opened > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, Parsi, > > South > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, work > > ethic > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but made no > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the authoritarian > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > > nuances > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, they > > were > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the ex- > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > > India > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the guy who > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > > when I > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid you > > not, > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > > really!) > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost under > > duress > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through all > > those > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that his > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's son to > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable communal > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, as > > all > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple evening even > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared for such > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > > forced > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > > Mehta to > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated by > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not figure > > out > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to embrace! > > It > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once we > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was crazy as a > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to teach me > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I never > > could > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). I have > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance skill I > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) When > > life > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near madman > > stands > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > > there > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but a > > smile > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, Punjabis, > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran into > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, same > > as > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and Bengalis (I > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in 0h so > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most tightly > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I did > > not > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other cultures > > when > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait that is > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be treated > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's or > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > > announce > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of chemicals! > > But > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the Judgment > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 I was checking in my data bank is your brith details are this rr, , Male, 08/05/1972, 20:45:00, DST/WT 0, Dhanbad, , India, Time Zone 5.50, Lat. 23 N 48, Long. 86 E 27 On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote: > > Nice to <NO> that you managed to read all that I have written ever in > a couple of minutes! > > > What Khan Chachaa managed to make me drop my jaws in my childhood > (my! Was he ever a speedy gonzales typist!!) -- you have made me drop > my jaws with your speedreading abilities! > > Do you agree and endorse to my recommendation of re-assessing the > ashtakavarga not based on what is generally understood but the way > Parashara described? ;-) > > I hope you side with me, TC!! > > > RR > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > ketu has > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide > your > > birth details. > > > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > horoscopes as > > well > > > > which part of the world do you live > > > > regards > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned > people > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as to > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there are > by > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, just > > > move to the next link" > > > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), > widget > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do you > > > realy know > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > > Pradesh, in > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend > one of > > > my > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really in > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I will > > > write > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That > SAME > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was I?? > Why > > > am > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > experiencing no > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend > with > > > my > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > > > opened > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, Parsi, > > > South > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, > work > > > ethic > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but made > no > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > authoritarian > > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > > > nuances > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, they > > > were > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the > ex- > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > > > India > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the guy > who > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > > > when I > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid > you > > > not, > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > > > really!) > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost under > > > duress > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through > all > > > those > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that his > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's > son to > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > communal > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, > as > > > all > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple evening > even > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared for > such > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > > > forced > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > > > Mehta to > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated > by > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not > figure > > > out > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > embrace! > > > It > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once we > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was crazy > as a > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to teach > me > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I never > > > could > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). I > have > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance > skill I > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) > When > > > life > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near madman > > > stands > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > > > there > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but a > > > smile > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > Punjabis, > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran > into > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, > same > > > as > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > Bengalis (I > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in 0h > so > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most > tightly > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I > did > > > not > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > cultures > > > when > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait > that is > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > treated > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's > or > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > > > announce > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > chemicals! > > > But > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > Judgment > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH THE > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 dear tarun ji my observation over the past few years in various astro groups in general and this JR in particular is that each contributing member has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member has his own way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides sharing knowledge. however, one thing is clear and known to all that as fraternity we have respect for all individuals alike and whatever agreement or disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the person. in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature of him is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to share as much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and choose. over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic approach for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution instead of CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not agree that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement it with your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the most healthiest way to share and learn more. with best wishes pandit arjun , "Tarun Chopra" <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your ketu has > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide your > birth details. > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read horoscopes as > well > > which part of the world do you live > > regards > > Tarun Chopra > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned people > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as to > > share out of your kindness. > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there are by > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, just > > move to the next link" > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), widget > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do you > > realy know > > > astrology > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > Pradesh, in > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend one of > > my > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really in > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I will > > write > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That SAME > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was I?? Why > > am > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, experiencing no > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend with > > my > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > > opened > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, Parsi, > > South > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, work > > ethic > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but made no > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the authoritarian > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > > nuances > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, they > > were > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the ex- > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > > India > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the guy who > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > > when I > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid you > > not, > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > > really!) > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost under > > duress > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through all > > those > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that his > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's son to > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable communal > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, as > > all > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple evening even > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared for such > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > > forced > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > > Mehta to > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated by > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not figure > > out > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to embrace! > > It > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once we > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was crazy as a > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to teach me > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I never > > could > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). I have > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance skill I > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) When > > life > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near madman > > stands > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > > there > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but a > > smile > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, Punjabis, > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran into > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, same > > as > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and Bengalis (I > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in 0h so > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most tightly > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I did > > not > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other cultures > > when > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait that is > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be treated > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's or > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > > announce > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of chemicals! > > But > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the Judgment > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Are you so very young, RRji? , "Tarun Chopra" <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > I was checking in my data bank is your brith details are this rr, , Male, > 08/05/1972, 20:45:00, DST/WT 0, Dhanbad, , India, Time Zone 5.50, Lat. 23 N > 48, Long. 86 E 27 > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > Nice to <NO> that you managed to read all that I have written ever in > > a couple of minutes! > > > > > > What Khan Chachaa managed to make me drop my jaws in my childhood > > (my! Was he ever a speedy gonzales typist!!) -- you have made me drop > > my jaws with your speedreading abilities! > > > > Do you agree and endorse to my recommendation of re-assessing the > > ashtakavarga not based on what is generally understood but the way > > Parashara described? ;-) > > > > I hope you side with me, TC!! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > > ketu has > > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide > > your > > > birth details. > > > > > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > > horoscopes as > > > well > > > > > > which part of the world do you live > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned > > people > > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as to > > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there are > > by > > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, just > > > > move to the next link" > > > > > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), > > widget > > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do you > > > > realy know > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > > > Pradesh, in > > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend > > one of > > > > my > > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really in > > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I will > > > > write > > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That > > SAME > > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was I?? > > Why > > > > am > > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > > experiencing no > > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend > > with > > > > my > > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > > > > opened > > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, Parsi, > > > > South > > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, > > work > > > > ethic > > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but made > > no > > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > > authoritarian > > > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > > > > nuances > > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, they > > > > were > > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the > > ex- > > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > > > > India > > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the guy > > who > > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > > > > when I > > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid > > you > > > > not, > > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > > > > really!) > > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost under > > > > duress > > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through > > all > > > > those > > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that his > > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's > > son to > > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > > communal > > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, > > as > > > > all > > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple evening > > even > > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared for > > such > > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > > > > forced > > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > > > > Mehta to > > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated > > by > > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not > > figure > > > > out > > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > > embrace! > > > > It > > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once we > > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was crazy > > as a > > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to teach > > me > > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I never > > > > could > > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). I > > have > > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance > > skill I > > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :- ) > > When > > > > life > > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near madman > > > > stands > > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > > > > there > > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but a > > > > smile > > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > > Punjabis, > > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran > > into > > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, > > same > > > > as > > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > > Bengalis (I > > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in 0h > > so > > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most > > tightly > > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I > > did > > > > not > > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > > cultures > > > > when > > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait > > that is > > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > > treated > > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's > > or > > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > > > > announce > > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > > chemicals! > > > > But > > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > > Judgment > > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > > RELISH THE > > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Oh Dear T.C., FWIW -- Of 3900+ Rodden 'A' charts for writers only 236 showed a relationship between ketu and the third house. I am sure an esteemed astrologer like you can do the math. Ketu to my understanding would stand more for fiction, like the veiled kind that Salman Rushdie writes (his novel about Rashid and Princess Batcheet and General Kitab and Prince Bolo and so on would reach to the english speaking South Asians (Indopakistanis at least) directly as they see the so brilliantly applied motifs and labels in a language that is not really theirs but so much theirs reallly -- English! RR -- the kind that does not says it aloud but speaks to the soul! But, then -- I have not seen Rushdie's chart. Have you?? RR , "Tarun Chopra" <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your ketu has > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide your > birth details. > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read horoscopes as > well > > which part of the world do you live > > regards > > Tarun Chopra > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned people > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as to > > share out of your kindness. > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there are by > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, just > > move to the next link" > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), widget > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do you > > realy know > > > astrology > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > Pradesh, in > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend one of > > my > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really in > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I will > > write > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That SAME > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was I?? Why > > am > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, experiencing no > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend with > > my > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > > opened > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, Parsi, > > South > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, work > > ethic > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but made no > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the authoritarian > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > > nuances > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, they > > were > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the ex- > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > > India > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the guy who > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > > when I > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid you > > not, > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > > really!) > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost under > > duress > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through all > > those > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that his > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's son to > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable communal > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, as > > all > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple evening even > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared for such > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > > forced > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > > Mehta to > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated by > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not figure > > out > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to embrace! > > It > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once we > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was crazy as a > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to teach me > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I never > > could > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). I have > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance skill I > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) When > > life > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near madman > > stands > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > > there > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but a > > smile > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, Punjabis, > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran into > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, same > > as > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and Bengalis (I > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in 0h so > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most tightly > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I did > > not > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other cultures > > when > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait that is > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be treated > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's or > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > > announce > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of chemicals! > > But > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the Judgment > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Yes he has been writing so much in group but i have never seen giving any one reading thats what i was asking from him i dont know if he has good eight house or not. Tarun Chopra On 6/3/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: > > dear tarun ji > > my observation over the past few years in various astro groups in > general and this JR in particular is that each contributing member > has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member has his own > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides sharing > knowledge. > > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as fraternity we > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever agreement or > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the person. > > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature of him > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to share as > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and choose. > > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic approach > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution instead of > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not agree > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement it with > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the most > healthiest way to share and learn more. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > ketu has > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide > your > > birth details. > > > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > horoscopes as > > well > > > > which part of the world do you live > > > > regards > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned > people > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as > to > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there > are by > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, > just > > > move to the next link" > > > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), > widget > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do > you > > > realy know > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > > Pradesh, in > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend > one of > > > my > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really > in > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I > will > > > write > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That > SAME > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was > I?? Why > > > am > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > experiencing no > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend > with > > > my > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > > > opened > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, > Parsi, > > > South > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, > work > > > ethic > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but > made no > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > authoritarian > > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > > > nuances > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, > they > > > were > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the > ex- > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > > > India > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the > guy who > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > > > when I > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid > you > > > not, > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > > > really!) > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost > under > > > duress > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through > all > > > those > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that > his > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's > son to > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > communal > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, > as > > > all > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple > evening even > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared > for such > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > > > forced > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > > > Mehta to > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated > by > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not > figure > > > out > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > embrace! > > > It > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once > we > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was > crazy as a > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to > teach me > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I > never > > > could > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). > I have > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance > skill I > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) > When > > > life > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near > madman > > > stands > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > > > there > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but > a > > > smile > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > Punjabis, > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran > into > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, > same > > > as > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > Bengalis (I > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in > 0h so > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most > tightly > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I > did > > > not > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > cultures > > > when > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait > that is > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > treated > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's > or > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > > > announce > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > chemicals! > > > But > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > Judgment > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH THE > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Rishi, I feel like a teenager, actually -- and I would have at leat 50% of the present vocal participants (20 something?) of this forum vouch for my age just as I claim and actually the rest would ratber have me arrested for just being too young, if only they found their voice! Thank God there is no policeman around who can ever be attracted to something so arcane as ASTROLOGY and arrest vagabonds like moi! I feel safe and amongst friends, like that ID banquet -- the BEST EVER! RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > Are you so very young, RRji? > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > I was checking in my data bank is your brith details are this > rr, , Male, > > 08/05/1972, 20:45:00, DST/WT 0, Dhanbad, , India, Time Zone 5.50, > Lat. 23 N > > 48, Long. 86 E 27 > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > Nice to <NO> that you managed to read all that I have written > ever in > > > a couple of minutes! > > > > > > > > > What Khan Chachaa managed to make me drop my jaws in my childhood > > > (my! Was he ever a speedy gonzales typist!!) -- you have made me > drop > > > my jaws with your speedreading abilities! > > > > > > Do you agree and endorse to my recommendation of re-assessing the > > > ashtakavarga not based on what is generally understood but the > way > > > Parashara described? ;-) > > > > > > I hope you side with me, TC!! > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > > > ketu has > > > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could > provide > > > your > > > > birth details. > > > > > > > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > > > horoscopes as > > > > well > > > > > > > > which part of the world do you live > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU > learned > > > people > > > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full > as to > > > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > > > > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article > there are > > > by > > > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > > > > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > > > > > > > crystal_pages <don't click > yet, just > > > > > move to the next link" > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > > > > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites > that I > > > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > > > > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology > forum), > > > widget > > > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my > entire > > > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell > do you > > > > > realy know > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > > > > Pradesh, in > > > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to > spend > > > one of > > > > > my > > > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but > really in > > > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years > (I will > > > > > write > > > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! > That > > > SAME > > > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? > Was I?? > > > Why > > > > > am > > > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > > > experiencing no > > > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and > blend > > > with > > > > > my > > > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst > cultures and > > > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into > and who > > > > > opened > > > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, > Parsi, > > > > > South > > > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their > intelligence, > > > work > > > > > ethic > > > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but > made > > > no > > > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > > > authoritarian > > > > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the > finer > > > > > nuances > > > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that > point, they > > > > > were > > > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, > the > > > ex- > > > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor > role in > > > > > India > > > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, > the guy > > > who > > > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not > then but > > > > > when I > > > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I > kid > > > you > > > > > not, > > > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but > not > > > > > really!) > > > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost > under > > > > > duress > > > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother > through > > > all > > > > > those > > > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal > that his > > > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool > Chacha's > > > son to > > > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > > > communal > > > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared > plate, > > > as > > > > > all > > > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the > privilege of > > > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple > evening > > > even > > > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and > unprepared for > > > such > > > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to > have > > > > > forced > > > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a > Yadav, a > > > > > Mehta to > > > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends > separated > > > by > > > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could > not > > > figure > > > > > out > > > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > > > embrace! > > > > > It > > > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, > once we > > > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was > crazy > > > as a > > > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to > teach > > > me > > > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I > never > > > > > could > > > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of > course!). I > > > have > > > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that > happenstance > > > skill I > > > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :- > ) > > > When > > > > > life > > > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near > madman > > > > > stands > > > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman > stands > > > > > there > > > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return > but a > > > > > smile > > > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > > > Punjabis, > > > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really > ran > > > into > > > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just > indescribable, > > > same > > > > > as > > > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > > > Bengalis (I > > > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences > in 0h > > > so > > > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the > most > > > tightly > > > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few - - > I > > > did > > > > > not > > > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > > > cultures > > > > > when > > > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other > cultures! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same > trait > > > that is > > > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > > > treated > > > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an > enemy's > > > or > > > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before > you > > > > > announce > > > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > > > chemicals! > > > > > But > > > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the > personal > > > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > > > Judgment > > > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > > RELISH THE > > > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 I am not discusing about what does ketu do i am trying to know about you and you my first question do you realy know how to read charts second question where do you live. third question if possible share your birth details if you are not intrested then tell me i will not waste your and mine time regards Tarun Chopra On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote: > > Oh Dear T.C., > > FWIW -- > > Of 3900+ Rodden 'A' charts for writers only 236 showed a relationship > between ketu and the third house. I am sure an esteemed astrologer > like you can do the math. > > Ketu to my understanding would stand more for fiction, like the > veiled kind that Salman Rushdie writes (his novel about Rashid and > Princess Batcheet and General Kitab and Prince Bolo and so on would > reach to the english speaking South Asians (Indopakistanis at least) > directly as they see the so brilliantly applied motifs and labels in > a language that is not really theirs but so much theirs reallly -- > English! > > > RR > > > -- the kind that does not says it aloud but speaks to the soul! > > But, then -- I have not seen Rushdie's chart. Have you?? > > > RR > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > ketu has > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide > your > > birth details. > > > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > horoscopes as > > well > > > > which part of the world do you live > > > > regards > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned > people > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as to > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there are > by > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, just > > > move to the next link" > > > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), > widget > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do you > > > realy know > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > > Pradesh, in > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend > one of > > > my > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really in > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I will > > > write > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That > SAME > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was I?? > Why > > > am > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > experiencing no > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend > with > > > my > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > > > opened > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, Parsi, > > > South > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, > work > > > ethic > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but made > no > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > authoritarian > > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > > > nuances > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, they > > > were > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the > ex- > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > > > India > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the guy > who > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > > > when I > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid > you > > > not, > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > > > really!) > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost under > > > duress > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through > all > > > those > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that his > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's > son to > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > communal > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, > as > > > all > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple evening > even > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared for > such > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > > > forced > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > > > Mehta to > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated > by > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not > figure > > > out > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > embrace! > > > It > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once we > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was crazy > as a > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to teach > me > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I never > > > could > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). I > have > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance > skill I > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) > When > > > life > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near madman > > > stands > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > > > there > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but a > > > smile > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > Punjabis, > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran > into > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, > same > > > as > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > Bengalis (I > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in 0h > so > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most > tightly > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I > did > > > not > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > cultures > > > when > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait > that is > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > treated > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's > or > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > > > announce > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > chemicals! > > > But > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > Judgment > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH THE > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Tarun, I think RRji was writing in the Astrological Magazine even before you were born, perhaps regards'rishi , "Tarun Chopra" <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > Yes he has been writing so much in group but i have never seen giving any > one reading thats what i was asking from him i dont know if he has good > eight house or not. > > Tarun Chopra > > On 6/3/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > > dear tarun ji > > > > my observation over the past few years in various astro groups in > > general and this JR in particular is that each contributing member > > has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member has his own > > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides sharing > > knowledge. > > > > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as fraternity we > > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever agreement or > > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the person. > > > > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature of him > > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to share as > > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and choose. > > > > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic approach > > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution instead of > > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not agree > > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement it with > > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the most > > healthiest way to share and learn more. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > > ketu has > > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide > > your > > > birth details. > > > > > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > > horoscopes as > > > well > > > > > > which part of the world do you live > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned > > people > > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as > > to > > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there > > are by > > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, > > just > > > > move to the next link" > > > > > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), > > widget > > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do > > you > > > > realy know > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > > > Pradesh, in > > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend > > one of > > > > my > > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really > > in > > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I > > will > > > > write > > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That > > SAME > > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was > > I?? Why > > > > am > > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > > experiencing no > > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend > > with > > > > my > > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > > > > opened > > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, > > Parsi, > > > > South > > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, > > work > > > > ethic > > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but > > made no > > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > > authoritarian > > > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > > > > nuances > > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, > > they > > > > were > > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the > > ex- > > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > > > > India > > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the > > guy who > > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > > > > when I > > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid > > you > > > > not, > > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > > > > really!) > > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost > > under > > > > duress > > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through > > all > > > > those > > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that > > his > > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's > > son to > > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > > communal > > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, > > as > > > > all > > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple > > evening even > > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared > > for such > > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > > > > forced > > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > > > > Mehta to > > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated > > by > > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not > > figure > > > > out > > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > > embrace! > > > > It > > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once > > we > > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was > > crazy as a > > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to > > teach me > > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I > > never > > > > could > > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). > > I have > > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance > > skill I > > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :- ) > > When > > > > life > > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near > > madman > > > > stands > > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > > > > there > > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but > > a > > > > smile > > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > > Punjabis, > > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran > > into > > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, > > same > > > > as > > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > > Bengalis (I > > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in > > 0h so > > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most > > tightly > > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I > > did > > > > not > > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > > cultures > > > > when > > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait > > that is > > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > > treated > > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's > > or > > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > > > > announce > > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > > chemicals! > > > > But > > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > > Judgment > > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > > RELISH THE > > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Arjunji! Thanks (SHK) and of course with all humility (CKR) Namastey! RR , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > dear tarun ji > > my observation over the past few years in various astro groups in > general and this JR in particular is that each contributing member > has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member has his own > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides sharing > knowledge. > > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as fraternity we > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever agreement or > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the person. > > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature of him > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to share as > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and choose. > > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic approach > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution instead of > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not agree > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement it with > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the most > healthiest way to share and learn more. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , "Tarun Chopra" > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > ketu has > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide > your > > birth details. > > > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > horoscopes as > > well > > > > which part of the world do you live > > > > regards > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned > people > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as > to > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there > are by > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, > just > > > move to the next link" > > > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), > widget > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do > you > > > realy know > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > > Pradesh, in > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend > one of > > > my > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really > in > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I > will > > > write > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That > SAME > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was > I?? Why > > > am > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > experiencing no > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend > with > > > my > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > > > opened > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, > Parsi, > > > South > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, > work > > > ethic > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but > made no > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > authoritarian > > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > > > nuances > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, > they > > > were > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the > ex- > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > > > India > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the > guy who > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > > > when I > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid > you > > > not, > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > > > really!) > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost > under > > > duress > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through > all > > > those > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that > his > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's > son to > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > communal > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, > as > > > all > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple > evening even > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared > for such > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > > > forced > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > > > Mehta to > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated > by > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not > figure > > > out > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > embrace! > > > It > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once > we > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was > crazy as a > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to > teach me > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I > never > > > could > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). > I have > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance > skill I > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) > When > > > life > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near > madman > > > stands > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > > > there > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but > a > > > smile > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > Punjabis, > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran > into > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, > same > > > as > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > Bengalis (I > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in > 0h so > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most > tightly > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I > did > > > not > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > cultures > > > when > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait > that is > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > treated > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's > or > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > > > announce > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > chemicals! > > > But > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > Judgment > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH THE > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Tarun, Please do not waste OUR time :-) You are are a pioneer of sorts with your ayanamsha, a thing you are driven to prove to us and to yourself! (later is important!! Believe me!!!) Do it here and not send people elsewhere! I REQUEST ALL SERIOUS JYOTISHIS HERE TO LET TARUN JI SAY WHAT HE HAS TO SAY WITH PROOF ABOUT HIS RATHER UNIQUE AYANAMSHA VALUE! Tarun Ji WE are listening! Educate us please? RR , "Tarun Chopra" <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > I am not discusing about what does ketu do i am trying to know about you and > you > > my first question do you realy know how to read charts > > second question where do you live. > > third question if possible share your birth details > > if you are not intrested then tell me i will not waste your and mine time > > regards > > Tarun Chopra > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > Oh Dear T.C., > > > > FWIW -- > > > > Of 3900+ Rodden 'A' charts for writers only 236 showed a relationship > > between ketu and the third house. I am sure an esteemed astrologer > > like you can do the math. > > > > Ketu to my understanding would stand more for fiction, like the > > veiled kind that Salman Rushdie writes (his novel about Rashid and > > Princess Batcheet and General Kitab and Prince Bolo and so on would > > reach to the english speaking South Asians (Indopakistanis at least) > > directly as they see the so brilliantly applied motifs and labels in > > a language that is not really theirs but so much theirs reallly -- > > English! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > -- the kind that does not says it aloud but speaks to the soul! > > > > But, then -- I have not seen Rushdie's chart. Have you?? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > > ketu has > > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide > > your > > > birth details. > > > > > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > > horoscopes as > > > well > > > > > > which part of the world do you live > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned > > people > > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as to > > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there are > > by > > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, just > > > > move to the next link" > > > > > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), > > widget > > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do you > > > > realy know > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > > > Pradesh, in > > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend > > one of > > > > my > > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really in > > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I will > > > > write > > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That > > SAME > > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was I?? > > Why > > > > am > > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > > experiencing no > > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend > > with > > > > my > > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > > > > opened > > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, Parsi, > > > > South > > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, > > work > > > > ethic > > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but made > > no > > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > > authoritarian > > > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > > > > nuances > > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, they > > > > were > > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the > > ex- > > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > > > > India > > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the guy > > who > > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > > > > when I > > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid > > you > > > > not, > > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > > > > really!) > > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost under > > > > duress > > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through > > all > > > > those > > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that his > > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's > > son to > > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > > communal > > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, > > as > > > > all > > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple evening > > even > > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared for > > such > > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > > > > forced > > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > > > > Mehta to > > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated > > by > > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not > > figure > > > > out > > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > > embrace! > > > > It > > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once we > > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was crazy > > as a > > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to teach > > me > > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I never > > > > could > > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). I > > have > > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance > > skill I > > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) > > When > > > > life > > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near madman > > > > stands > > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > > > > there > > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but a > > > > smile > > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > > Punjabis, > > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran > > into > > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, > > same > > > > as > > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > > Bengalis (I > > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in 0h > > so > > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most > > tightly > > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I > > did > > > > not > > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > > cultures > > > > when > > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait > > that is > > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > > treated > > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's > > or > > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > > > > announce > > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > > chemicals! > > > > But > > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > > Judgment > > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > > RELISH THE > > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Tarun, Rohini Ji is a knowledgeable astrologer and his mails keep up the momentum on in this group. The thought processes and the discussions which he incites are really valuable for understanding the concepts of planetary influences of astrology. It is very clear from his mails that he has deep and profound knowledge of jyotish. Anyone who has some experience with astrology can sense that easily. It is not necessary to give readings to prove one's astrological prowess. There are many on such astrology groups who do not give readings, but contribute actively to the knowledge enhancing discussions. And a question for you. What makes you think that eighth house should be strong enough to be able to predict or give readings. I have many astrologers in my close touch who have a weak eighth house, but can put to shame any member of this group by their astrological skills. Sorry to say, there is a lot which you have to explore in astrology. I myself desist from giving all explanations on this group because the amateurs are not yet ready to accept them with open minds. So, I can understand RR ji's situation. He is more experienced than us and has gone through your and my stage too. Experience teaches a lot. Humility is the best virtue and no word is the perfect word in jyotish. Best Wishes, Ashutosh - Tarun Chopra Saturday, 03 June, 2006 10:47 Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan Yes he has been writing so much in group but i have never seen giving any one reading thats what i was asking from him i dont know if he has good eight house or not. Tarun Chopra On 6/3/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: > > dear tarun ji > > my observation over the past few years in various astro groups in > general and this JR in particular is that each contributing member > has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member has his own > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides sharing > knowledge. > > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as fraternity we > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever agreement or > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the person. > > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature of him > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to share as > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and choose. > > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic approach > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution instead of > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not agree > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement it with > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the most > healthiest way to share and learn more. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > ketu has > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide > your > > birth details. > > > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > horoscopes as > > well > > > > which part of the world do you live > > > > regards > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned > people > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as > to > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there > are by > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, > just > > > move to the next link" > > > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), > widget > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do > you > > > realy know > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > > Pradesh, in > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend > one of > > > my > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really > in > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I > will > > > write > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That > SAME > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was > I?? Why > > > am > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > experiencing no > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend > with > > > my > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > > > opened > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, > Parsi, > > > South > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, > work > > > ethic > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but > made no > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > authoritarian > > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > > > nuances > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, > they > > > were > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the > ex- > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > > > India > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the > guy who > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > > > when I > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid > you > > > not, > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > > > really!) > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost > under > > > duress > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through > all > > > those > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that > his > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's > son to > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > communal > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, > as > > > all > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple > evening even > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared > for such > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > > > forced > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > > > Mehta to > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated > by > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not > figure > > > out > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > embrace! > > > It > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once > we > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was > crazy as a > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to > teach me > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I > never > > > could > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). > I have > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance > skill I > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) > When > > > life > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near > madman > > > stands > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > > > there > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but > a > > > smile > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > Punjabis, > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran > into > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, > same > > > as > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > Bengalis (I > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in > 0h so > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most > tightly > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I > did > > > not > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > cultures > > > when > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait > that is > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > treated > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's > or > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > > > announce > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > chemicals! > > > But > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > Judgment > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH THE > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Yes this is what i am trying to know i am just trying to know about rohini ranjan is this rohini and ranjan two individuals i dont know is he male or female rohini is female and ranjan male i am just trying to know about rohini ranjan nothing more Tarun Chopra On 6/3/06, rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in > wrote: > > Tarun, > I think RRji was writing in the Astrological Magazine even before > you were born, perhaps > regards'rishi > > , "Tarun Chopra" > <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > > > Yes he has been writing so much in group but i have never seen > giving any > > one reading thats what i was asking from him i dont know if he has > good > > eight house or not. > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > On 6/3/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > > > > dear tarun ji > > > > > > my observation over the past few years in various astro groups in > > > general and this JR in particular is that each contributing > member > > > has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member has his > own > > > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides sharing > > > knowledge. > > > > > > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as fraternity > we > > > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever agreement or > > > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the person. > > > > > > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature of > him > > > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to share > as > > > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and > choose. > > > > > > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic > approach > > > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution instead of > > > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not agree > > > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement it > with > > > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the most > > > healthiest way to share and learn more. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > > > ketu has > > > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could > provide > > > your > > > > birth details. > > > > > > > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > > > horoscopes as > > > > well > > > > > > > > which part of the world do you live > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU > learned > > > people > > > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full > as > > > to > > > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > > > > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there > > > are by > > > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > > > > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > > > > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, > > > just > > > > > move to the next link" > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > > > > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites > that I > > > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > > > > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology > forum), > > > widget > > > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my > entire > > > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell > do > > > you > > > > > realy know > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > > > > Pradesh, in > > > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to > spend > > > one of > > > > > my > > > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but > really > > > in > > > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I > > > will > > > > > write > > > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! > That > > > SAME > > > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was > > > I?? Why > > > > > am > > > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > > > experiencing no > > > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and > blend > > > with > > > > > my > > > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst > cultures and > > > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into > and who > > > > > opened > > > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, > > > Parsi, > > > > > South > > > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their > intelligence, > > > work > > > > > ethic > > > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but > > > made no > > > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > > > authoritarian > > > > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the > finer > > > > > nuances > > > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, > > > they > > > > > were > > > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, > the > > > ex- > > > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor > role in > > > > > India > > > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the > > > guy who > > > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not > then but > > > > > when I > > > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I > kid > > > you > > > > > not, > > > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but > not > > > > > really!) > > > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost > > > under > > > > > duress > > > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother > through > > > all > > > > > those > > > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal > that > > > his > > > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool > Chacha's > > > son to > > > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > > > communal > > > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared > plate, > > > as > > > > > all > > > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the > privilege of > > > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple > > > evening even > > > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared > > > for such > > > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to > have > > > > > forced > > > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a > Yadav, a > > > > > Mehta to > > > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends > separated > > > by > > > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could > not > > > figure > > > > > out > > > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > > > embrace! > > > > > It > > > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, > once > > > we > > > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was > > > crazy as a > > > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to > > > teach me > > > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I > > > never > > > > > could > > > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of > course!). > > > I have > > > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that > happenstance > > > skill I > > > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :- > ) > > > When > > > > > life > > > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near > > > madman > > > > > stands > > > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman > stands > > > > > there > > > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return > but > > > a > > > > > smile > > > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > > > Punjabis, > > > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really > ran > > > into > > > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just > indescribable, > > > same > > > > > as > > > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > > > Bengalis (I > > > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences > in > > > 0h so > > > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the > most > > > tightly > > > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- > I > > > did > > > > > not > > > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > > > cultures > > > > > when > > > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other > cultures! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same > trait > > > that is > > > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > > > treated > > > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an > enemy's > > > or > > > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before > you > > > > > announce > > > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > > > chemicals! > > > > > But > > > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the > personal > > > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > > > Judgment > > > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > > RELISH THE > > > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 WHAT?? You mean esteemed Tarun ji was born after 1972, my birth year apropos him? Veritably a prodigy, indeed, then? Of course I did not get published in the first year of my life! 1972! More like in my 8th or 9th or 10th year but who cares about me! Let us focus back on the prodigy! There were no birth announcements even, back then in India when kids were born and you know my about my sad beginnings :-( RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > Tarun, > I think RRji was writing in the Astrological Magazine even before > you were born, perhaps > regards'rishi > , "Tarun Chopra" > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > Yes he has been writing so much in group but i have never seen > giving any > > one reading thats what i was asking from him i dont know if he has > good > > eight house or not. > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > On 6/3/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear tarun ji > > > > > > my observation over the past few years in various astro groups in > > > general and this JR in particular is that each contributing > member > > > has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member has his > own > > > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides sharing > > > knowledge. > > > > > > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as fraternity > we > > > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever agreement or > > > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the person. > > > > > > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature of > him > > > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to share > as > > > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and > choose. > > > > > > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic > approach > > > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution instead of > > > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not agree > > > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement it > with > > > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the most > > > healthiest way to share and learn more. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > > > ketu has > > > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could > provide > > > your > > > > birth details. > > > > > > > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > > > horoscopes as > > > > well > > > > > > > > which part of the world do you live > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU > learned > > > people > > > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full > as > > > to > > > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > > > > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there > > > are by > > > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > > > > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > > > > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, > > > just > > > > > move to the next link" > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > > > > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites > that I > > > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > > > > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology > forum), > > > widget > > > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my > entire > > > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell > do > > > you > > > > > realy know > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > > > > Pradesh, in > > > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to > spend > > > one of > > > > > my > > > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but > really > > > in > > > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I > > > will > > > > > write > > > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! > That > > > SAME > > > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was > > > I?? Why > > > > > am > > > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > > > experiencing no > > > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and > blend > > > with > > > > > my > > > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst > cultures and > > > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into > and who > > > > > opened > > > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, > > > Parsi, > > > > > South > > > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their > intelligence, > > > work > > > > > ethic > > > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but > > > made no > > > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > > > authoritarian > > > > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the > finer > > > > > nuances > > > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, > > > they > > > > > were > > > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, > the > > > ex- > > > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor > role in > > > > > India > > > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the > > > guy who > > > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not > then but > > > > > when I > > > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I > kid > > > you > > > > > not, > > > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but > not > > > > > really!) > > > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost > > > under > > > > > duress > > > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother > through > > > all > > > > > those > > > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal > that > > > his > > > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool > Chacha's > > > son to > > > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > > > communal > > > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared > plate, > > > as > > > > > all > > > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the > privilege of > > > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple > > > evening even > > > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared > > > for such > > > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to > have > > > > > forced > > > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a > Yadav, a > > > > > Mehta to > > > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends > separated > > > by > > > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could > not > > > figure > > > > > out > > > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > > > embrace! > > > > > It > > > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, > once > > > we > > > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was > > > crazy as a > > > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to > > > teach me > > > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I > > > never > > > > > could > > > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of > course!). > > > I have > > > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that > happenstance > > > skill I > > > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :- > ) > > > When > > > > > life > > > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near > > > madman > > > > > stands > > > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman > stands > > > > > there > > > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return > but > > > a > > > > > smile > > > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > > > Punjabis, > > > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really > ran > > > into > > > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just > indescribable, > > > same > > > > > as > > > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > > > Bengalis (I > > > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences > in > > > 0h so > > > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the > most > > > tightly > > > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few - - > I > > > did > > > > > not > > > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > > > cultures > > > > > when > > > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other > cultures! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same > trait > > > that is > > > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > > > treated > > > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an > enemy's > > > or > > > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before > you > > > > > announce > > > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > > > chemicals! > > > > > But > > > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the > personal > > > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > > > Judgment > > > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > > RELISH THE > > > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Aushuthosh sorry dear Astrologer aushutosh ji i am not trying to discuss astrology i am just asking about rohini ranjan you said he is a knowledble person so this means he is man not women you can understand what i am trying to find i am still wondering that lots of people here come for reading i think most of the people have given reading but i have not seen rr giving any reading thats why i asked about eight house eight house is rules hidden things astrology comes into it, fifth houses rule different knowledge and ninth different. may be he has fifth and ninth house strong or may be has eight also who knows for that i was thinking of geting his/her birth details Tarun Chopra On 6/3/06, astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> wrote: > > Dear Tarun, > > Rohini Ji is a knowledgeable astrologer and his mails > keep up the momentum on in this group. The thought processes and the > discussions which he incites are really valuable for understanding the > concepts of planetary influences of astrology. > > It is very clear from his mails that he has deep and profound > knowledge of jyotish. Anyone who has some experience with astrology can > sense that easily. > > It is not necessary to give readings to prove one's astrological > prowess. There are many on such astrology groups who do not give readings, > but contribute actively to the knowledge enhancing discussions. > > And a question for you. What makes you think that eighth house > should be strong enough to be able to predict or give readings. I have many > astrologers in my close touch who have a weak eighth house, but can put to > shame any member of this group by their astrological skills. > > Sorry to say, there is a lot which you have to explore in > astrology. I myself desist from giving all explanations on this group > because the amateurs are not yet ready to accept them with open minds. So, I > can understand RR ji's situation. He is more experienced than us and has > gone through your and my stage too. > > Experience teaches a lot. Humility is the best virtue and no word > is the perfect word in jyotish. > > Best Wishes, > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > - > Tarun Chopra > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 10:47 > Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan > > > Yes he has been writing so much in group but i have never seen giving > any > one reading thats what i was asking from him i dont know if he has good > eight house or not. > > Tarun Chopra > > On 6/3/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: > > > > dear tarun ji > > > > my observation over the past few years in various astro groups in > > general and this JR in particular is that each contributing member > > has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member has his own > > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides sharing > > knowledge. > > > > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as fraternity we > > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever agreement or > > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the person. > > > > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature of him > > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to share as > > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and choose. > > > > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic approach > > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution instead of > > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not agree > > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement it with > > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the most > > healthiest way to share and learn more. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > > > > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > > ketu has > > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide > > your > > > birth details. > > > > > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > > horoscopes as > > > well > > > > > > which part of the world do you live > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned > > people > > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as > > to > > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there > > are by > > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, > > just > > > > move to the next link" > > > > > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), > > widget > > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do > > you > > > > realy know > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > > > Pradesh, in > > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend > > one of > > > > my > > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really > > in > > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I > > will > > > > write > > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That > > SAME > > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was > > I?? Why > > > > am > > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > > experiencing no > > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend > > with > > > > my > > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > > > > opened > > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, > > Parsi, > > > > South > > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, > > work > > > > ethic > > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but > > made no > > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > > authoritarian > > > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > > > > nuances > > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, > > they > > > > were > > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the > > ex- > > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > > > > India > > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the > > guy who > > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > > > > when I > > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid > > you > > > > not, > > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > > > > really!) > > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost > > under > > > > duress > > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through > > all > > > > those > > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that > > his > > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's > > son to > > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > > communal > > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, > > as > > > > all > > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple > > evening even > > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared > > for such > > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > > > > forced > > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > > > > Mehta to > > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated > > by > > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not > > figure > > > > out > > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > > embrace! > > > > It > > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once > > we > > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was > > crazy as a > > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to > > teach me > > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I > > never > > > > could > > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). > > I have > > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance > > skill I > > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) > > When > > > > life > > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near > > madman > > > > stands > > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > > > > there > > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but > > a > > > > smile > > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > > Punjabis, > > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran > > into > > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, > > same > > > > as > > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > > Bengalis (I > > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in > > 0h so > > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most > > tightly > > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I > > did > > > > not > > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > > cultures > > > > when > > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait > > that is > > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > > treated > > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's > > or > > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > > > > announce > > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > > chemicals! > > > > But > > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > > Judgment > > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > > RELISH THE > > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 okay dear Tarun/occult wizard or whatever you are happy calling yourelf :-) \ I am thrilled by you attention but please settle down! First the third house then fifth, ninth and eighth? At this you will soon make all of my 12 houses strong and I simply cannot take that kind of pressure and they call me arrogant! How about just focus on my 12th house and consider only that one as the strongest and the most benefic! All other houses weak and malefic? Let us start with the 12th Tarun -- the house each of us comes into this life with, arising just before we are born! Does that make sense to you Mr, Astrologer? Astrology is about that which arises before something actually happens, right? 12th house, I say we should focus on! RR , "Tarun Chopra" <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: > > Dear Aushuthosh sorry dear Astrologer aushutosh ji i am not trying to > discuss astrology i am just asking about rohini ranjan you said he is a > knowledble person so this means he is man not women you can understand what > i am trying to find > > i am still wondering that lots of people here come for reading i think most > of the people have given reading but i have not seen rr giving any reading > thats why i asked > > about eight house eight house is rules hidden things astrology comes into > it, fifth houses rule different knowledge and ninth different. > > may be he has fifth and ninth house strong or may be has eight also who > knows > > for that i was thinking of geting his/her birth details > > Tarun Chopra > > On 6/3/06, astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > Rohini Ji is a knowledgeable astrologer and his mails > > keep up the momentum on in this group. The thought processes and the > > discussions which he incites are really valuable for understanding the > > concepts of planetary influences of astrology. > > > > It is very clear from his mails that he has deep and profound > > knowledge of jyotish. Anyone who has some experience with astrology can > > sense that easily. > > > > It is not necessary to give readings to prove one's astrological > > prowess. There are many on such astrology groups who do not give readings, > > but contribute actively to the knowledge enhancing discussions. > > > > And a question for you. What makes you think that eighth house > > should be strong enough to be able to predict or give readings. I have many > > astrologers in my close touch who have a weak eighth house, but can put to > > shame any member of this group by their astrological skills. > > > > Sorry to say, there is a lot which you have to explore in > > astrology. I myself desist from giving all explanations on this group > > because the amateurs are not yet ready to accept them with open minds. So, I > > can understand RR ji's situation. He is more experienced than us and has > > gone through your and my stage too. > > > > Experience teaches a lot. Humility is the best virtue and no word > > is the perfect word in jyotish. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Tarun Chopra > > > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 10:47 > > Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan > > > > > > Yes he has been writing so much in group but i have never seen giving > > any > > one reading thats what i was asking from him i dont know if he has good > > eight house or not. > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > On 6/3/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > > > > dear tarun ji > > > > > > my observation over the past few years in various astro groups in > > > general and this JR in particular is that each contributing member > > > has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member has his own > > > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides sharing > > > knowledge. > > > > > > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as fraternity we > > > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever agreement or > > > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the person. > > > > > > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature of him > > > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to share as > > > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and choose. > > > > > > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic approach > > > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution instead of > > > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not agree > > > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement it with > > > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the most > > > healthiest way to share and learn more. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > > > ketu has > > > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide > > > your > > > > birth details. > > > > > > > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > > > horoscopes as > > > > well > > > > > > > > which part of the world do you live > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned > > > people > > > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as > > > to > > > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > > > > > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro [caution -- not all article there > > > are by > > > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > > > > > > > > > > http://continue.to/jyotish > > > > > > > > > > crystal_pages <don't click yet, > > > just > > > > > move to the next link" > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vani > > > > > > > > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that I > > > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > > > > > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), > > > widget > > > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my entire > > > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do > > > you > > > > > realy know > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > > > > > Pradesh, in > > > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend > > > one of > > > > > my > > > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really > > > in > > > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I > > > will > > > > > write > > > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That > > > SAME > > > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was > > > I?? Why > > > > > am > > > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > > > experiencing no > > > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend > > > with > > > > > my > > > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures and > > > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and who > > > > > opened > > > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, > > > Parsi, > > > > > South > > > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, > > > work > > > > > ethic > > > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but > > > made no > > > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > > > authoritarian > > > > > > > that he was). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > > > > > nuances > > > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, > > > they > > > > > were > > > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the > > > ex- > > > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role in > > > > > India > > > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the > > > guy who > > > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then but > > > > > when I > > > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid > > > you > > > > > not, > > > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > > > > > really!) > > > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost > > > under > > > > > duress > > > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through > > > all > > > > > those > > > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that > > > his > > > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's > > > son to > > > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > > > communal > > > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, > > > as > > > > > all > > > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege of > > > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple > > > evening even > > > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared > > > for such > > > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to have > > > > > forced > > > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > > > > > Mehta to > > > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated > > > by > > > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not > > > figure > > > > > out > > > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > > > embrace! > > > > > It > > > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once > > > we > > > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was > > > crazy as a > > > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to > > > teach me > > > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I > > > never > > > > > could > > > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). > > > I have > > > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance > > > skill I > > > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) > > > When > > > > > life > > > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near > > > madman > > > > > stands > > > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman stands > > > > > there > > > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but > > > a > > > > > smile > > > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > > > Punjabis, > > > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran > > > into > > > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, > > > same > > > > > as > > > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > > > Bengalis (I > > > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in > > > 0h so > > > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most > > > tightly > > > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I > > > did > > > > > not > > > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > > > cultures > > > > > when > > > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait > > > that is > > > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > > > treated > > > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's > > > or > > > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > > > > > announce > > > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > > > chemicals! > > > > > But > > > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the personal > > > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > > > Judgment > > > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > > > RELISH THE > > > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Members I do not agree in rediculing Ranjan ji's contribution to the list, other forums (and previous forums, where i participated ) and of course to astrology. Getting into predictive astrology on public forum is not only the objectives; It is equally (or rather more) important to share experiences and knowledge amongst fellow astrologers. After all, the forum is not the free chart reading platform; it has wider objectives of sharing knowledge. I fully endorse Pandit Arjun ji's note on the thread. We all can co-exist in the available space in the forum. regards / Prafulla Gang No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave. > > astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr > Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:12:00 +0530 > > Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan > > Dear Tarun, >                   Rohini Ji is a knowledgeable astrologer and his mails > keep up the momentum on in this group. The thought processes and the > discussions which he incites are really valuable for understanding the > concepts of planetary influences of astrology. >        It is very clear from his mails that he has deep and profound > knowledge of jyotish. Anyone who has some experience with astrology can > sense that easily. >        It is not necessary to give readings to prove one's astrological > prowess. There are many on such astrology groups who do not give > readings, but contribute actively to the knowledge enhancing discussions. >        And a question for you. What makes you think that eighth house > should be strong enough to be able to predict or give readings. I have > many astrologers in my close touch who have a weak eighth house, but can > put to shame any member of this group by their astrological skills. >        Sorry to say, there is a lot which you have to explore in > astrology. I myself desist from giving all explanations on this group > because the amateurs are not yet ready to accept them with open minds. > So, I can understand RR ji's situation. He is more experienced than us > and has gone through your and my stage too. >        Experience teaches a lot. Humility is the best virtue and no > word is the perfect word in jyotish. >        Best Wishes, >        Ashutosh >  - >  Tarun Chopra >  >  Saturday, 03 June, 2006 10:47 >  Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan >  Yes he has been writing so much in group but i have never seen giving > any >  one reading thats what i was asking from him i dont know if he has > good >  eight house or not. >  Tarun Chopra >  On 6/3/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: >  > >  > dear tarun ji >  > >  > my observation over the past few years in various astro groups in >  > general and this JR in particular is that each contributing member >  > has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member has his own >  > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides sharing >  > knowledge. >  > >  > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as fraternity we >  > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever agreement or >  > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the person. >  > >  > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature of him >  > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to share as >  > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and choose. >  > >  > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic approach >  > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution instead of >  > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not agree >  > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement it with >  > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the most >  > healthiest way to share and learn more. >  > >  > with best wishes >  > pandit arjun >  > >  > >  > , "Tarun Chopra" >  > <occultwizard.tarun> wrote: >  > > >  > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your >  > ketu has >  > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide >  > your >  > > birth details. >  > > >  > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read >  > horoscopes as >  > > well >  > > >  > > which part of the world do you live >  > > >  > > regards >  > > >  > > Tarun Chopra >  > > >  > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: >  > > > >  > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned >  > people >  > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as >  > to >  > > > share out of your kindness. >  > > > >  > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: >  > > > >  > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro ["]http://www.boloji.com/astro] > [caution -- not all article there >  > are by >  > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] >  > > > >  > > > http://continue.to/jyotish ["]http://continue.to/jyotish] >  > > > >  > > > crystal_pages > ["]crystal_pages] <don't click yet, >  > just >  > > > move to the next link" >  > > > >  > > > jyotish-vani > ["]http://groups..jyotish-vani] >  > > > >  > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that > I >  > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! >  > > > >  > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), >  > widget >  > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my > entire >  > > > life has been wasted ;-) >  > > > >  > > > RR >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > , "Tarun Chopra" >  > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: >  > > > > >  > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do >  > you >  > > > realy know >  > > > > astrology >  > > > > >  > > > > Tarun Chopra >  > > > > www.occultwizard.com >  > > > > >  > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: >  > > > > > >  > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN >  > > > > > >  > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya >  > > > Pradesh, in >  > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend >  > one of >  > > > my >  > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really >  > in >  > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I >  > will >  > > > write >  > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That >  > SAME >  > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was >  > I?? Why >  > > > am >  > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) >  > > > > > >  > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, >  > experiencing no >  > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend >  > with >  > > > my >  > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures > and >  > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and > who >  > > > opened >  > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, >  > Parsi, >  > > > South >  > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, >  > work >  > > > ethic >  > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but >  > made no >  > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the >  > authoritarian >  > > > > > that he was). >  > > > > > >  > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer >  > > > nuances >  > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, >  > they >  > > > were >  > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the >  > ex- >  > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role > in >  > > > India >  > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the >  > guy who >  > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then > but >  > > > when I >  > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid >  > you >  > > > not, >  > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not >  > > > really!) >  > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost >  > under >  > > > duress >  > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through >  > all >  > > > those >  > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that >  > his >  > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's >  > son to >  > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable >  > communal >  > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, >  > as >  > > > all >  > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege > of >  > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple >  > evening even >  > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared >  > for such >  > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to > have >  > > > forced >  > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a >  > > > Mehta to >  > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated >  > by >  > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not >  > figure >  > > > out >  > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to >  > embrace! >  > > > It >  > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once >  > we >  > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! >  > > > > > >  > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was >  > crazy as a >  > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to >  > teach me >  > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I >  > never >  > > > could >  > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). >  > I have >  > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance >  > skill I >  > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) >  > When >  > > > life >  > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near >  > madman >  > > > stands >  > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman > stands >  > > > there >  > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but >  > a >  > > > smile >  > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! >  > > > > > >  > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, >  > Punjabis, >  > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran >  > into >  > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, >  > same >  > > > as >  > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and >  > Bengalis (I >  > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in >  > 0h so >  > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most >  > tightly >  > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I >  > did >  > > > not >  > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). >  > > > > > >  > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other >  > cultures >  > > > when >  > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! >  > > > > > >  > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait >  > that is >  > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be >  > treated >  > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's >  > or >  > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you >  > > > announce >  > > > > > the verdict!! >  > > > > > >  > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of >  > chemicals! >  > > > But >  > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the > personal >  > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? >  > > > > > >  > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the >  > Judgment >  > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! >  > > > > > >  > > > > > RR >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND >  > > > RELISH THE >  > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Prafulla, Has it ever occurred to you that in this display of your love and respect for what you see me as or have experienced me as or know -- you are getting between my karma and Tarun's (or whoever else insults me) karma? Please let the cosmic drama play itself out! If it helps you or others any, I am thoroughly enjoying the display, the fireworks, fire is so purifying -- YOU of all must know!! RR , Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote: > > Dear Members > > I do not agree in rediculing Ranjan ji's contribution to the list, other forums (and previous forums, where i participated ) and of course to astrology. Getting into predictive astrology on public forum is not only the objectives; It is equally (or rather more) important to share experiences and knowledge amongst fellow astrologers. After all, the forum is not the free chart reading platform; it has wider objectives of sharing knowledge. > > I fully endorse Pandit Arjun ji's note on the thread. We all can co- exist in the available space in the forum. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > No person was ever honored for what he received. > Honor has been the reward for what he gave. > > > > > > astrologerashutosh > > Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:12:00 +0530 > > > > Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan > > > > Dear Tarun, > >                   Rohini Ji is a knowledgeable astrologer and his mails > > keep up the momentum on in this group. The thought processes and the > > discussions which he incites are really valuable for understanding the > > concepts of planetary influences of astrology. > >        It is very clear from his mails that he has deep and profound > > knowledge of jyotish. Anyone who has some experience with astrology can > > sense that easily. > >        It is not necessary to give readings to prove one's astrological > > prowess. There are many on such astrology groups who do not give > > readings, but contribute actively to the knowledge enhancing discussions. > >        And a question for you. What makes you think that eighth house > > should be strong enough to be able to predict or give readings. I have > > many astrologers in my close touch who have a weak eighth house, but can > > put to shame any member of this group by their astrological skills. > >        Sorry to say, there is a lot which you have to explore in > > astrology. I myself desist from giving all explanations on this group > > because the amateurs are not yet ready to accept them with open minds. > > So, I can understand RR ji's situation. He is more experienced than us > > and has gone through your and my stage too. > >        Experience teaches a lot. Humility is the best virtue and no > > word is the perfect word in jyotish. > >        Best Wishes, > >        Ashutosh > >  - > >  Tarun Chopra > >  > >  Saturday, 03 June, 2006 10:47 > >  Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan > >  Yes he has been writing so much in group but i have never seen giving > > any > >  one reading thats what i was asking from him i dont know if he has > > good > >  eight house or not. > >  Tarun Chopra > >  On 6/3/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004> wrote: > >  > > >  > dear tarun ji > >  > > >  > my observation over the past few years in various astro groups in > >  > general and this JR in particular is that each contributing member > >  > has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member has his own > >  > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides sharing > >  > knowledge. > >  > > >  > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as fraternity we > >  > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever agreement or > >  > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the person. > >  > > >  > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature of him > >  > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to share as > >  > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and choose. > >  > > >  > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic approach > >  > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution instead of > >  > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not agree > >  > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement it with > >  > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the most > >  > healthiest way to share and learn more. > >  > > >  > with best wishes > >  > pandit arjun > >  > > >  > > >  > , "Tarun Chopra" > >  > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > >  > > > >  > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > >  > ketu has > >  > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide > >  > your > >  > > birth details. > >  > > > >  > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > >  > horoscopes as > >  > > well > >  > > > >  > > which part of the world do you live > >  > > > >  > > regards > >  > > > >  > > Tarun Chopra > >  > > > >  > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > >  > > > > >  > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned > >  > people > >  > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as > >  > to > >  > > > share out of your kindness. > >  > > > > >  > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > >  > > > > >  > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro ["]http://www.boloji.com/astro] > > [caution -- not all article there > >  > are by > >  > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > >  > > > > >  > > > http://continue.to/jyotish ["]http://continue.to/jyotish] > >  > > > > >  > > > crystal_pages > > ["]crystal_pages] <don't click yet, > >  > just > >  > > > move to the next link" > >  > > > > >  > > > jyotish-vani > > ["]jyotish-vani] > >  > > > > >  > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that > > I > >  > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > >  > > > > >  > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), > >  > widget > >  > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my > > entire > >  > > > life has been wasted ;-) > >  > > > > >  > > > RR > >  > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > >  > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > >  > > > > > >  > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do > >  > you > >  > > > realy know > >  > > > > astrology > >  > > > > > >  > > > > Tarun Chopra > >  > > > > www.occultwizard.com > >  > > > > > >  > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > >  > > > Pradesh, in > >  > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend > >  > one of > >  > > > my > >  > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really > >  > in > >  > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I > >  > will > >  > > > write > >  > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That > >  > SAME > >  > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was > >  > I?? Why > >  > > > am > >  > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > >  > experiencing no > >  > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend > >  > with > >  > > > my > >  > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures > > and > >  > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and > > who > >  > > > opened > >  > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, > >  > Parsi, > >  > > > South > >  > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, > >  > work > >  > > > ethic > >  > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but > >  > made no > >  > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > >  > authoritarian > >  > > > > > that he was). > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > >  > > > nuances > >  > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, > >  > they > >  > > > were > >  > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the > >  > ex- > >  > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role > > in > >  > > > India > >  > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the > >  > guy who > >  > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then > > but > >  > > > when I > >  > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid > >  > you > >  > > > not, > >  > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > >  > > > really!) > >  > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost > >  > under > >  > > > duress > >  > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through > >  > all > >  > > > those > >  > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that > >  > his > >  > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's > >  > son to > >  > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > >  > communal > >  > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, > >  > as > >  > > > all > >  > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege > > of > >  > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple > >  > evening even > >  > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared > >  > for such > >  > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to > > have > >  > > > forced > >  > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > >  > > > Mehta to > >  > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated > >  > by > >  > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not > >  > figure > >  > > > out > >  > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > >  > embrace! > >  > > > It > >  > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once > >  > we > >  > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was > >  > crazy as a > >  > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to > >  > teach me > >  > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I > >  > never > >  > > > could > >  > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). > >  > I have > >  > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance > >  > skill I > >  > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) > >  > When > >  > > > life > >  > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near > >  > madman > >  > > > stands > >  > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman > > stands > >  > > > there > >  > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but > >  > a > >  > > > smile > >  > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > >  > Punjabis, > >  > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran > >  > into > >  > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, > >  > same > >  > > > as > >  > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > >  > Bengalis (I > >  > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in > >  > 0h so > >  > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most > >  > tightly > >  > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I > >  > did > >  > > > not > >  > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > >  > cultures > >  > > > when > >  > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait > >  > that is > >  > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > >  > treated > >  > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's > >  > or > >  > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > >  > > > announce > >  > > > > > the verdict!! > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > >  > chemicals! > >  > > > But > >  > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the > > personal > >  > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > >  > Judgment > >  > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > RR > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > >  > > > RELISH THE > >  > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Respected Gurujan, I fully ENDORSE the feelings expressed by Prafulla Gang ji. Respected Ranjan ji , Ashutosh ji , Pt. Arjun ji and Krishnan ji are the four pillars of this group. We all look upto them with reverance and respect. Any form of ridicule of these stalwarts hurts us. With naman to all gurujan Varun Trivedi , Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote: > > Dear Members > > I do not agree in rediculing Ranjan ji's contribution to the list, other forums (and previous forums, where i participated ) and of course to astrology. Getting into predictive astrology on public forum is not only the objectives; It is equally (or rather more) important to share experiences and knowledge amongst fellow astrologers. After all, the forum is not the free chart reading platform; it has wider objectives of sharing knowledge. > > I fully endorse Pandit Arjun ji's note on the thread. We all can co-exist in the available space in the forum. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > No person was ever honored for what he received. > Honor has been the reward for what he gave. > > > > > > astrologerashutosh > > Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:12:00 +0530 > > > > Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan > > > > Dear Tarun, > >                   Rohini Ji is a knowledgeable astrologer and his mails > > keep up the momentum on in this group. The thought processes and the > > discussions which he incites are really valuable for understanding the > > concepts of planetary influences of astrology. > >        It is very clear from his mails that he has deep and profound > > knowledge of jyotish. Anyone who has some experience with astrology can > > sense that easily. > >        It is not necessary to give readings to prove one's astrological > > prowess. There are many on such astrology groups who do not give > > readings, but contribute actively to the knowledge enhancing discussions. > >        And a question for you. What makes you think that eighth house > > should be strong enough to be able to predict or give readings. I have > > many astrologers in my close touch who have a weak eighth house, but can > > put to shame any member of this group by their astrological skills. > >        Sorry to say, there is a lot which you have to explore in > > astrology. I myself desist from giving all explanations on this group > > because the amateurs are not yet ready to accept them with open minds. > > So, I can understand RR ji's situation. He is more experienced than us > > and has gone through your and my stage too. > >        Experience teaches a lot. Humility is the best virtue and no > > word is the perfect word in jyotish. > >        Best Wishes, > >        Ashutosh > >  - > >  Tarun Chopra > >  > >  Saturday, 03 June, 2006 10:47 > >  Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan > >  Yes he has been writing so much in group but i have never seen giving > > any > >  one reading thats what i was asking from him i dont know if he has > > good > >  eight house or not. > >  Tarun Chopra > >  On 6/3/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004> wrote: > >  > > >  > dear tarun ji > >  > > >  > my observation over the past few years in various astro groups in > >  > general and this JR in particular is that each contributing member > >  > has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member has his own > >  > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides sharing > >  > knowledge. > >  > > >  > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as fraternity we > >  > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever agreement or > >  > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the person. > >  > > >  > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature of him > >  > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to share as > >  > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and choose. > >  > > >  > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic approach > >  > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution instead of > >  > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not agree > >  > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement it with > >  > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the most > >  > healthiest way to share and learn more. > >  > > >  > with best wishes > >  > pandit arjun > >  > > >  > > >  > , "Tarun Chopra" > >  > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > >  > > > >  > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me does your > >  > ketu has > >  > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you could provide > >  > your > >  > > birth details. > >  > > > >  > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > >  > horoscopes as > >  > > well > >  > > > >  > > which part of the world do you live > >  > > > >  > > regards > >  > > > >  > > Tarun Chopra > >  > > > >  > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > >  > > > > >  > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU learned > >  > people > >  > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so full as > >  > to > >  > > > share out of your kindness. > >  > > > > >  > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > >  > > > > >  > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro ["]http://www.boloji.com/astro] > > [caution -- not all article there > >  > are by > >  > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not write!] > >  > > > > >  > > > http://continue.to/jyotish ["]http://continue.to/jyotish] > >  > > > > >  > > > crystal_pages > > ["]crystal_pages] <don't click yet, > >  > just > >  > > > move to the next link" > >  > > > > >  > > > jyotish-vani > > ["]jyotish-vani] > >  > > > > >  > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all sites that > > I > >  > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > >  > > > > >  > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology forum), > >  > widget > >  > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that my > > entire > >  > > > life has been wasted ;-) > >  > > > > >  > > > RR > >  > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > >  > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > >  > > > > > >  > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope tell do > >  > you > >  > > > realy know > >  > > > > astrology > >  > > > > > >  > > > > Tarun Chopra > >  > > > > www.occultwizard.com > >  > > > > > >  > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, Madhya > >  > > > Pradesh, in > >  > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved to spend > >  > one of > >  > > > my > >  > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT but really > >  > in > >  > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several years (I > >  > will > >  > > > write > >  > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY (YES! That > >  > SAME > >  > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture too? Was > >  > I?? Why > >  > > > am > >  > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > >  > experiencing no > >  > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go and blend > >  > with > >  > > > my > >  > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst cultures > > and > >  > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran into and > > who > >  > > > opened > >  > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, Muslim, > >  > Parsi, > >  > > > South > >  > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their intelligence, > >  > work > >  > > > ethic > >  > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was biased but > >  > made no > >  > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > >  > authoritarian > >  > > > > > that he was). > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into the finer > >  > > > nuances > >  > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that point, > >  > they > >  > > > were > >  > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam Rasool, the > >  > ex- > >  > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively minor role > > in > >  > > > India > >  > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a school/University, the > >  > guy who > >  > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life (not then > > but > >  > > > when I > >  > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and really I kid > >  > you > >  > > > not, > >  > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different (but not > >  > > > really!) > >  > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends almost > >  > under > >  > > > duress > >  > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother through > >  > all > >  > > > those > >  > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian meal that > >  > his > >  > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool Chacha's > >  > son to > >  > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most enjoyable > >  > communal > >  > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same shared plate, > >  > as > >  > > > all > >  > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the privilege > > of > >  > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative simple > >  > evening even > >  > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and unprepared > >  > for such > >  > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of Pradeep to > > have > >  > > > forced > >  > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a Yadav, a > >  > > > Mehta to > >  > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends separated > >  > by > >  > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers could not > >  > figure > >  > > > out > >  > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their children, to > >  > embrace! > >  > > > It > >  > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us together, once > >  > we > >  > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who was > >  > crazy as a > >  > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my dad to > >  > teach me > >  > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe 140! I > >  > never > >  > > > could > >  > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of course!). > >  > I have > >  > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that happenstance > >  > skill I > >  > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later on :-) > >  > When > >  > > > life > >  > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a near > >  > madman > >  > > > stands > >  > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless madman > > stands > >  > > > there > >  > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in return but > >  > a > >  > > > smile > >  > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains too, > >  > Punjabis, > >  > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I really ran > >  > into > >  > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just indescribable, > >  > same > >  > > > as > >  > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians and > >  > Bengalis (I > >  > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta experiences in > >  > 0h so > >  > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were the most > >  > tightly > >  > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or few -- I > >  > did > >  > > > not > >  > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot comment). > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to other > >  > cultures > >  > > > when > >  > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other cultures! > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the same trait > >  > that is > >  > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may not be > >  > treated > >  > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in an enemy's > >  > or > >  > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that before you > >  > > > announce > >  > > > > > the verdict!! > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth of > >  > chemicals! > >  > > > But > >  > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the > > personal > >  > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and not the > >  > Judgment > >  > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > RR > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > >  > > > RELISH THE > >  > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji I always carry the sense of belonging to the community / forum, I belong to; and feel that we should always abstain from rediculing anyone. Though My karmic purity is not so strong that, I can really act as moral police; but certainly, I feel pained to find personal comments against any one (whether I agree or not). I have respect for Tarun ji as well, for his research and am open to test the validity on the charts available with me. My mail is in line with my urge, to request all members to contribute without personal prejudice. regards / Prafulla Gang No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave. > > rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca > Sat, 03 Jun 2006 07:23:25 -0000 > > Re: Rohini Ranjan > > Dear Prafulla, > Has it ever occurred to you that in this display of your love and > respect for what you see me as or have experienced me as or know -- > you are getting between my karma and Tarun's (or whoever else insults > me) karma? > Please let the cosmic drama play itself out! If it helps you or > others any, I am thoroughly enjoying the display, the fireworks, fire > is so purifying -- YOU of all must know!! > RR > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members > > > > I do not agree in rediculing Ranjan ji's contribution to the list, > other forums (and previous forums, where i participated ) and of > course to astrology. Getting into predictive astrology on public > forum is not only the objectives; It is equally (or rather more) > important to share experiences and knowledge amongst fellow > astrologers. After all, the forum is not the free chart reading > platform; it has wider objectives of sharing knowledge. > > > > I fully endorse Pandit Arjun ji's note on the thread. We all can co- > exist in the available space in the forum. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > No person was ever honored for what he received. > > Honor has been the reward for what he gave. > > > > > > > > > > astrologerashutosh > > > Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:12:00 +0530 > > > > > > Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan > > > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Rohini Ji is a > knowledgeable astrologer and his mails > > > keep up the momentum on in this group. The thought processes and > the > > > discussions which he incites are really valuable for > understanding the > > > concepts of planetary influences of astrology. > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â It is very clear from his mails that he has deep > and profound > > > knowledge of jyotish. Anyone who has some experience with > astrology can > > > sense that easily. > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â It is not necessary to give readings to prove > one's astrological > > > prowess. There are many on such astrology groups who do not give > > > readings, but contribute actively to the knowledge enhancing > discussions. > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â And a question for you. What makes you think that > eighth house > > > should be strong enough to be able to predict or give readings. I > have > > > many astrologers in my close touch who have a weak eighth house, > but can > > > put to shame any member of this group by their astrological > skills. > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Sorry to say, there is a lot which you have to > explore in > > > astrology. I myself desist from giving all explanations on this > group > > > because the amateurs are not yet ready to accept them with open > minds. > > > So, I can understand RR ji's situation. He is more experienced > than us > > > and has gone through your and my stage too. > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Experience teaches a lot. Humility is the best > virtue and no > > > word is the perfect word in jyotish. > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Best Wishes, > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Ashutosh > > > Â - > > > Â Tarun Chopra > > > Â > > > Â Saturday, 03 June, 2006 10:47 > > > Â Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan > > > Â Yes he has been writing so much in group but i have never > seen giving > > > any > > > Â one reading thats what i was asking from him i dont know if > he has > > > good > > > Â eight house or not. > > > Â Tarun Chopra > > > Â On 6/3/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > Â > > > > Â > dear tarun ji > > > Â > > > > Â > my observation over the past few years in various astro > groups in > > > Â > general and this JR in particular is that each contributing > member > > > Â > has his own uninimitable style.. each contributing member > has his own > > > Â > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides > sharing > > > Â > knowledge. > > > Â > > > > Â > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as > fraternity we > > > Â > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever > agreement or > > > Â > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the > person. > > > Â > > > > Â > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature > of him > > > Â > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to > share as > > > Â > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and > choose. > > > Â > > > > Â > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic > approach > > > Â > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution > instead of > > > Â > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not > agree > > > Â > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement > it with > > > Â > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the > most > > > Â > healthiest way to share and learn more. > > > Â > > > > Â > with best wishes > > > Â > pandit arjun > > > Â > > > > Â > > > > Â > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > Â > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > Â > > > > > Â > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me > does your > > > Â > ketu has > > > Â > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you > could provide > > > Â > your > > > Â > > birth details. > > > Â > > > > > Â > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > > > Â > horoscopes as > > > Â > > well > > > Â > > > > > Â > > which part of the world do you live > > > Â > > > > > Â > > regards > > > Â > > > > > Â > > Tarun Chopra > > > Â > > > > > Â > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU > learned > > > Â > people > > > Â > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so > full as > > > Â > to > > > Â > > > share out of your kindness. > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro ["]http://www.boloji.com/astro] > ["]http://www.boloji.com/astro] []"]http://www.boloji.com/astro]] > > > [caution -- not all article there > > > Â > are by > > > Â > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not > write!] > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > > http://continue.to/jyotish ["]http://continue.to/jyotish] > ["]http://continue.to/jyotish] []"]http://continue.to/jyotish]] > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > > crystal_pages > ["]crystal_pages] > > > ["]crystal_pages] > []"]crystal_pages]] <don't click yet, > > > Â > just > > > Â > > > move to the next link" > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > > jyotish-vani > ["]http://groups..jyotish-vani] > > > ["]jyotish-vani] > []"]jyotish-vani]] > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all > sites that > > > I > > > Â > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology > forum), > > > Â > widget > > > Â > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that > my > > > entire > > > Â > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > > RR > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > Â > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope > tell do > > > Â > you > > > Â > > > realy know > > > Â > > > > astrology > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > Â > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, > Madhya > > > Â > > > Pradesh, in > > > Â > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved > to spend > > > Â > one of > > > Â > > > my > > > Â > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT > but really > > > Â > in > > > Â > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several > years (I > > > Â > will > > > Â > > > write > > > Â > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY > (YES! That > > > Â > SAME > > > Â > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture > too? Was > > > Â > I?? Why > > > Â > > > am > > > Â > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > > > Â > experiencing no > > > Â > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go > and blend > > > Â > with > > > Â > > > my > > > Â > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst > cultures > > > and > > > Â > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran > into and > > > who > > > Â > > > opened > > > Â > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, > Muslim, > > > Â > Parsi, > > > Â > > > South > > > Â > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their > intelligence, > > > Â > work > > > Â > > > ethic > > > Â > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was > biased but > > > Â > made no > > > Â > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > > > Â > authoritarian > > > Â > > > > > that he was). > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into > the finer > > > Â > > > nuances > > > Â > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that > point, > > > Â > they > > > Â > > > were > > > Â > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam > Rasool, the > > > Â > ex- > > > Â > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively > minor role > > > in > > > Â > > > India > > > Â > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a > school/University, the > > > Â > guy who > > > Â > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life > (not then > > > but > > > Â > > > when I > > > Â > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and > really I kid > > > Â > you > > > Â > > > not, > > > Â > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different > (but not > > > Â > > > really!) > > > Â > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends > almost > > > Â > under > > > Â > > > duress > > > Â > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother > through > > > Â > all > > > Â > > > those > > > Â > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian > meal that > > > Â > his > > > Â > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool > Chacha's > > > Â > son to > > > Â > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most > enjoyable > > > Â > communal > > > Â > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same > shared plate, > > > Â > as > > > Â > > > all > > > Â > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the > privilege > > > of > > > Â > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative > simple > > > Â > evening even > > > Â > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and > unprepared > > > Â > for such > > > Â > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of > Pradeep to > > > have > > > Â > > > forced > > > Â > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a > Yadav, a > > > Â > > > Mehta to > > > Â > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends > separated > > > Â > by > > > Â > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers > could not > > > Â > figure > > > Â > > > out > > > Â > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their > children, to > > > Â > embrace! > > > Â > > > It > > > Â > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us > together, once > > > Â > we > > > Â > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who > was > > > Â > crazy as a > > > Â > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my > dad to > > > Â > teach me > > > Â > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe > 140! I > > > Â > never > > > Â > > > could > > > Â > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of > course!). > > > Â > I have > > > Â > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that > happenstance > > > Â > skill I > > > Â > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later > on :-) > > > Â > When > > > Â > > > life > > > Â > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a > near > > > Â > madman > > > Â > > > stands > > > Â > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless > madman > > > stands > > > Â > > > there > > > Â > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in > return but > > > Â > a > > > Â > > > smile > > > Â > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains > too, > > > Â > Punjabis, > > > Â > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I > really ran > > > Â > into > > > Â > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just > indescribable, > > > Â > same > > > Â > > > as > > > Â > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians > and > > > Â > Bengalis (I > > > Â > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta > experiences in > > > Â > 0h so > > > Â > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were > the most > > > Â > tightly > > > Â > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or > few -- I > > > Â > did > > > Â > > > not > > > Â > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot > comment). > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to > other > > > Â > cultures > > > Â > > > when > > > Â > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other > cultures! > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the > same trait > > > Â > that is > > > Â > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may > not be > > > Â > treated > > > Â > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in > an enemy's > > > Â > or > > > Â > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that > before you > > > Â > > > announce > > > Â > > > > > the verdict!! > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth > of > > > Â > chemicals! > > > Â > > > But > > > Â > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the > > > personal > > > Â > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and > not the > > > Â > Judgment > > > Â > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > RR > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY AND > > > Â > > > RELISH THE > > > Â > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Prafulla, We go back many years. My respect for your knowledge, your clarity and your honesty is one of the things that make me have faith in jyotish and jyotish forums. I know this is the first time I am saying this to you on a public forum but where else can I if I am really sincere? Ranjan , Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji > > I always carry the sense of belonging to the community / forum, I belong to; and feel that we should always abstain from rediculing anyone. Though My karmic purity is not so strong that, I can really act as moral police; but certainly, I feel pained to find personal comments against any one (whether I agree or not). I have respect for Tarun ji as well, for his research and am open to test the validity on the charts available with me. > > My mail is in line with my urge, to request all members to contribute without personal prejudice. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > No person was ever honored for what he received. > Honor has been the reward for what he gave. > > > > > > rrgb > > Sat, 03 Jun 2006 07:23:25 -0000 > > > > Re: Rohini Ranjan > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > Has it ever occurred to you that in this display of your love and > > respect for what you see me as or have experienced me as or know -- > > you are getting between my karma and Tarun's (or whoever else insults > > me) karma? > > Please let the cosmic drama play itself out! If it helps you or > > others any, I am thoroughly enjoying the display, the fireworks, fire > > is so purifying -- YOU of all must know!! > > RR > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > I do not agree in rediculing Ranjan ji's contribution to the list, > > other forums (and previous forums, where i participated ) and of > > course to astrology. Getting into predictive astrology on public > > forum is not only the objectives; It is equally (or rather more) > > important to share experiences and knowledge amongst fellow > > astrologers. After all, the forum is not the free chart reading > > platform; it has wider objectives of sharing knowledge. > > > > > > I fully endorse Pandit Arjun ji's note on the thread. We all can co- > > exist in the available space in the forum. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > No person was ever honored for what he received. > > > Honor has been the reward for what he gave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologerashutosh@ > > > > Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:12:00 +0530 > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Rohini Ji is a > > knowledgeable astrologer and his mails > > > > keep up the momentum on in this group. The thought processes and > > the > > > > discussions which he incites are really valuable for > > understanding the > > > > concepts of planetary influences of astrology. > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â It is very clear from his mails that he has deep > > and profound > > > > knowledge of jyotish. Anyone who has some experience with > > astrology can > > > > sense that easily. > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â It is not necessary to give readings to prove > > one's astrological > > > > prowess. There are many on such astrology groups who do not give > > > > readings, but contribute actively to the knowledge enhancing > > discussions. > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â And a question for you. What makes you think that > > eighth house > > > > should be strong enough to be able to predict or give readings. I > > have > > > > many astrologers in my close touch who have a weak eighth house, > > but can > > > > put to shame any member of this group by their astrological > > skills. > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Sorry to say, there is a lot which you have to > > explore in > > > > astrology. I myself desist from giving all explanations on this > > group > > > > because the amateurs are not yet ready to accept them with open > > minds. > > > > So, I can understand RR ji's situation. He is more experienced > > than us > > > > and has gone through your and my stage too. > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Experience teaches a lot. Humility is the best > > virtue and no > > > > word is the perfect word in jyotish. > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Best Wishes, > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Ashutosh > > > > Â - > > > > Â Tarun Chopra > > > > Â > > > > Â Saturday, 03 June, 2006 10:47 > > > > Â Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan > > > > Â Yes he has been writing so much in group but i have never > > seen giving > > > > any > > > > Â one reading thats what i was asking from him i dont know if > > he has > > > > good > > > > Â eight house or not. > > > > Â Tarun Chopra > > > > Â On 6/3/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > Â > > > > > Â > dear tarun ji > > > > Â > > > > > Â > my observation over the past few years in various astro > > groups in > > > > Â > general and this JR in particular is that each contributing > > member > > > > Â > has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member > > has his own > > > > Â > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides > > sharing > > > > Â > knowledge. > > > > Â > > > > > Â > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as > > fraternity we > > > > Â > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever > > agreement or > > > > Â > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the > > person. > > > > Â > > > > > Â > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive feature > > of him > > > > Â > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to > > share as > > > > Â > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and > > choose. > > > > Â > > > > > Â > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic > > approach > > > > Â > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution > > instead of > > > > Â > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not > > agree > > > > Â > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, supplement > > it with > > > > Â > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the > > most > > > > Â > healthiest way to share and learn more. > > > > Â > > > > > Â > with best wishes > > > > Â > pandit arjun > > > > Â > > > > > Â > > > > > Â > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > > Â > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me > > does your > > > > Â > ketu has > > > > Â > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you > > could provide > > > > Â > your > > > > Â > > birth details. > > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can read > > > > Â > horoscopes as > > > > Â > > well > > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > which part of the world do you live > > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > regards > > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > Tarun Chopra > > > > Â > > > > > > Â > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU > > learned > > > > Â > people > > > > Â > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel so > > full as > > > > Â > to > > > > Â > > > share out of your kindness. > > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro ["]http://www.boloji.com/astro] > > ["]http://www.boloji..com/astro] []"]http://www.boloji.com/astro]] > > > > [caution -- not all article there > > > > Â > are by > > > > Â > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not > > write!] > > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > http://continue.to/jyotish ["]http://continue.to/jyotish] > > ["]http://continue.to/jyotish] []"]http://continue.to/jyotish]] > > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > crystal_pages > > ["]crystal_pages] > > > > ["]crystal_pages] > > []"]crystal_pages]] <don't click yet, > > > > Â > just > > > > Â > > > move to the next link" > > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > jyotish-vani > > ["]jyotish-vani] > > > > ["]jyotish-vani] > > []"]jyotish-vani]] > > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all > > sites that > > > > I > > > > Â > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology > > forum), > > > > Â > widget > > > > Â > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next that > > my > > > > entire > > > > Â > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > RR > > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > Â > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > > > Â > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope > > tell do > > > > Â > you > > > > Â > > > realy know > > > > Â > > > > astrology > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > Â > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Â > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, > > Madhya > > > > Â > > > Pradesh, in > > > > Â > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved > > to spend > > > > Â > one of > > > > Â > > > my > > > > Â > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT > > but really > > > > Â > in > > > > Â > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several > > years (I > > > > Â > will > > > > Â > > > write > > > > Â > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY > > (YES! That > > > > Â > SAME > > > > Â > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture > > too? Was > > > > Â > I?? Why > > > > Â > > > am > > > > Â > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > > > > Â > experiencing no > > > > Â > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go > > and blend > > > > Â > with > > > > Â > > > my > > > > Â > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst > > cultures > > > > and > > > > Â > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran > > into and > > > > who > > > > Â > > > opened > > > > Â > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, > > Muslim, > > > > Â > Parsi, > > > > Â > > > South > > > > Â > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their > > intelligence, > > > > Â > work > > > > Â > > > ethic > > > > Â > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was > > biased but > > > > Â > made no > > > > Â > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being the > > > > Â > authoritarian > > > > Â > > > > > that he was). > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into > > the finer > > > > Â > > > nuances > > > > Â > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that > > point, > > > > Â > they > > > > Â > > > were > > > > Â > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam > > Rasool, the > > > > Â > ex- > > > > Â > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively > > minor role > > > > in > > > > Â > > > India > > > > Â > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a > > school/University, the > > > > Â > guy who > > > > Â > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life > > (not then > > > > but > > > > Â > > > when I > > > > Â > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and > > really I kid > > > > Â > you > > > > Â > > > not, > > > > Â > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and different > > (but not > > > > Â > > > really!) > > > > Â > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends > > almost > > > > Â > under > > > > Â > > > duress > > > > Â > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a brother > > through > > > > Â > all > > > > Â > > > those > > > > Â > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian > > meal that > > > > Â > his > > > > Â > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool > > Chacha's > > > > Â > son to > > > > Â > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most > > enjoyable > > > > Â > communal > > > > Â > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same > > shared plate, > > > > Â > as > > > > Â > > > all > > > > Â > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the > > privilege > > > > of > > > > Â > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative > > simple > > > > Â > evening even > > > > Â > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and > > unprepared > > > > Â > for such > > > > Â > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of > > Pradeep to > > > > have > > > > Â > > > forced > > > > Â > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, a > > Yadav, a > > > > Â > > > Mehta to > > > > Â > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends > > separated > > > > Â > by > > > > Â > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers > > could not > > > > Â > figure > > > > Â > > > out > > > > Â > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their > > children, to > > > > Â > embrace! > > > > Â > > > It > > > > Â > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us > > together, once > > > > Â > we > > > > Â > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist who > > was > > > > Â > crazy as a > > > > Â > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my > > dad to > > > > Â > teach me > > > > Â > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe > > 140! I > > > > Â > never > > > > Â > > > could > > > > Â > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of > > course!). > > > > Â > I have > > > > Â > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that > > happenstance > > > > Â > skill I > > > > Â > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility later > > on :-) > > > > Â > When > > > > Â > > > life > > > > Â > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a > > near > > > > Â > madman > > > > Â > > > stands > > > > Â > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless > > madman > > > > stands > > > > Â > > > there > > > > Â > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in > > return but > > > > Â > a > > > > Â > > > smile > > > > Â > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, Jains > > too, > > > > Â > Punjabis, > > > > Â > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I > > really ran > > > > Â > into > > > > Â > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just > > indescribable, > > > > Â > same > > > > Â > > > as > > > > Â > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians > > and > > > > Â > Bengalis (I > > > > Â > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta > > experiences in > > > > Â > 0h so > > > > Â > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were > > the most > > > > Â > tightly > > > > Â > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or > > few -- I > > > > Â > did > > > > Â > > > not > > > > Â > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot > > comment). > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to > > other > > > > Â > cultures > > > > Â > > > when > > > > Â > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other > > cultures! > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the > > same trait > > > > Â > that is > > > > Â > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may > > not be > > > > Â > treated > > > > Â > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in > > an enemy's > > > > Â > or > > > > Â > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that > > before you > > > > Â > > > announce > > > > Â > > > > > the verdict!! > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) worth > > of > > > > Â > chemicals! > > > > Â > > > But > > > > Â > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does the > > > > personal > > > > Â > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and > > not the > > > > Â > Judgment > > > > Â > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > RR > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > DIVINITY AND > > > > Â > > > RELISH THE > > > > Â > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Varun, While thankful to you for your sentiments and expressed love, please do not call me a pillar! Pillars do not move and moving seems to be my destiny -- must be that predominantly movable influence I must have been born with! Please do not expect me to hold up your roof for you :-) RR , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd> wrote: > > Respected Gurujan, > > I fully ENDORSE the feelings expressed by Prafulla Gang ji. > > Respected Ranjan ji , Ashutosh ji , Pt. Arjun ji and Krishnan ji are > the four pillars of this group. > > We all look upto them with reverance and respect. Any form of > ridicule of these stalwarts hurts us. > > With naman to all gurujan > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members > > > > I do not agree in rediculing Ranjan ji's contribution to the list, > other forums (and previous forums, where i participated ) and of > course to astrology. Getting into predictive astrology on public > forum is not only the objectives; It is equally (or rather more) > important to share experiences and knowledge amongst fellow > astrologers. After all, the forum is not the free chart reading > platform; it has wider objectives of sharing knowledge. > > > > I fully endorse Pandit Arjun ji's note on the thread. We all can > co-exist in the available space in the forum. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > No person was ever honored for what he received. > > Honor has been the reward for what he gave. > > > > > > > > > > astrologerashutosh@ > > > Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:12:00 +0530 > > > > > > Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan > > > > > > Dear Tarun, > > >                   Rohini Ji is a > knowledgeable astrologer and his mails > > > keep up the momentum on in this group. The thought processes and > the > > > discussions which he incites are really valuable for > understanding the > > > concepts of planetary influences of astrology. > > >        It is very clear from his mails that he has deep > and profound > > > knowledge of jyotish. Anyone who has some experience with > astrology can > > > sense that easily. > > >        It is not necessary to give readings to prove > one's astrological > > > prowess. There are many on such astrology groups who do not give > > > readings, but contribute actively to the knowledge enhancing > discussions. > > >        And a question for you. What makes you think > that eighth house > > > should be strong enough to be able to predict or give readings. > I have > > > many astrologers in my close touch who have a weak eighth house, > but can > > > put to shame any member of this group by their astrological > skills. > > >        Sorry to say, there is a lot which you have to > explore in > > > astrology. I myself desist from giving all explanations on this > group > > > because the amateurs are not yet ready to accept them with open > minds. > > > So, I can understand RR ji's situation. He is more experienced > than us > > > and has gone through your and my stage too. > > >        Experience teaches a lot. Humility is the best > virtue and no > > > word is the perfect word in jyotish. > > >        Best Wishes, > > >        Ashutosh > > >  - > > >  Tarun Chopra > > >  > > >  Saturday, 03 June, 2006 10:47 > > >  Re: Re: Rohini Ranjan > > >  Yes he has been writing so much in group but i have never > seen giving > > > any > > >  one reading thats what i was asking from him i dont know if > he has > > > good > > >  eight house or not. > > >  Tarun Chopra > > >  On 6/3/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > >  > > > >  > dear tarun ji > > >  > > > >  > my observation over the past few years in various astro > groups in > > >  > general and this JR in particular is that each > contributing member > > >  > has his own uninimitable style. each contributing member > has his own > > >  > way of reading charts and suggestion of remedies, besides > sharing > > >  > knowledge. > > >  > > > >  > however, one thing is clear and known to all that as > fraternity we > > >  > have respect for all individuals alike and whatever > agreement or > > >  > disagreement we express in our mails is not meant to the > person. > > >  > > > >  > in my experience with RR, i found one best positive > feature of him > > >  > is that he is the most active contributor in the forum to > share as > > >  > much as he wish to and it is up to the readers to pick and > choose. > > >  > > > >  > over years in practical experience, i learnt one pragmatic > approach > > >  > for working in groups is to SUPPLEMENT a contribution > instead of > > >  > CRITICISM. suppose one member writes "A", if you do not > agree > > >  > that "A" is correct or "A" presents very little, > supplement it with > > >  > your value addition by giving B, C, D etc. this is the > most > > >  > healthiest way to share and learn more. > > >  > > > >  > with best wishes > > >  > pandit arjun > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > , "Tarun Chopra" > > >  > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > >  > > > > >  > > nice to know that you have good writing skils tell me > does your > > >  > ketu has > > >  > > some link with third house it will be so nice if you > could provide > > >  > your > > >  > > birth details. > > >  > > > > >  > > and i hope if you could write so good artcles you can > read > > >  > horoscopes as > > >  > > well > > >  > > > > >  > > which part of the world do you live > > >  > > > > >  > > regards > > >  > > > > >  > > Tarun Chopra > > >  > > > > >  > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > >  > > > > > >  > > > No Tarun ji, I am merely trying to learn from what YOU > learned > > >  > people > > >  > > > toss to us hungry beggars on the side, when you feel > so full as > > >  > to > > >  > > > share out of your kindness. > > >  > > > > > >  > > > my begging baskets can be found at the following URLs: > > >  > > > > > >  > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro > ["]http://www.boloji.com/astro] > > > [caution -- not all article there > > >  > are by > > >  > > > me so please do not give me credit for what I did not > write!] > > >  > > > > > >  > > > http://continue.to/jyotish ["]http://continue.to/jyotish] > > >  > > > > > >  > > > crystal_pages > > > ["]crystal_pages] <don't click yet, > > >  > just > > >  > > > move to the next link" > > >  > > > > > >  > > > jyotish-vani > > > ["]jyotish-vani] > > >  > > > > > >  > > > <please do browse through the files sections on all > sites that > > > I > > >  > > > post, including this one -- I mean Jyotish_remedies! > > >  > > > > > >  > > > Then there is the library on compuserve.com (astrology > forum), > > >  > widget > > >  > > > forum and -- hopefully you would not announce next > that my > > > entire > > >  > > > life has been wasted ;-) > > >  > > > > > >  > > > RR > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > , "Tarun Chopra" > > >  > > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > Mr RR i have never seen you anaylising any horoscope > tell do > > >  > you > > >  > > > realy know > > >  > > > > astrology > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > Tarun Chopra > > >  > > > > www.occultwizard.com > > >  > > > > > > >  > > > > On 6/3/06, crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > I was raised in the melting pot of sorts in India, > Madhya > > >  > > > Pradesh, in > > >  > > > > > the 50s, 60s and early parts of 70s, then I moved > to spend > > >  > one of > > >  > > > my > > >  > > > > > most significant years in life in Chandigarh, UT > but really > > >  > in > > >  > > > > > punjabi culture and then in Varanasi for several > years (I > > >  > will > > >  > > > write > > >  > > > > > about that later, maybe!) and then was KARMICALLY > (YES! That > > >  > SAME > > >  > > > > > Guy!) ousted from India and its culture (culture > too? Was > > >  > I?? Why > > >  > > > am > > >  > > > > > I here still on this and similar forums/fora???) > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > An allien kid raised amongst hindi speaking kids, > > >  > experiencing no > > >  > > > > > encouragement from my bengali parents really to go > and blend > > >  > with > > >  > > > my > > >  > > > > > *kind* and just let loose to roam freely amongst > cultures > > > and > > >  > > > > > individuals therefrom that ran into me and I ran > into and > > > who > > >  > > > opened > > >  > > > > > themselves to me, gujrati, MAHARASHTRIAN, Jain, > Muslim, > > >  > Parsi, > > >  > > > South > > >  > > > > > Indians (MY 'Dad' just adored them for their > intelligence, > > >  > work > > >  > > > ethic > > >  > > > > > and here and now pragmatism! Obviously he was > biased but > > >  > made no > > >  > > > > > bones about it and entertained no argument being > the > > >  > authoritarian > > >  > > > > > that he was). > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > I will confess, friends! I learned and tuned into > the finer > > >  > > > nuances > > >  > > > > > of differences way much later in life. Before that > point, > > >  > they > > >  > > > were > > >  > > > > > all the same to me, and just mine! Chacha Gulam > Rasool, the > > >  > ex- > > >  > > > > > national hockey star, relegated to a relatively > minor role > > > in > > >  > > > India > > >  > > > > > back then as the sports coach in a > school/University, the > > >  > guy who > > >  > > > > > taught me a lot about humility through his life > (not then > > > but > > >  > > > when I > > >  > > > > > *woke* up) and took me to swimming lessons and > really I kid > > >  > you > > >  > > > not, > > >  > > > > > I first realized that he was a muslim and > different (but not > > >  > > > really!) > > >  > > > > > when years later his son invited us class friends > almost > > >  > under > > >  > > > duress > > >  > > > > > by that gujrati guy Pradeep (who was like a > brother through > > >  > all > > >  > > > those > > >  > > > > > years) but really wanted to have a nonvegetarian > meal that > > >  > his > > >  > > > > > vaishnav parents would never allow and made Rasool > Chacha's > > >  > son to > > >  > > > > > invite us all for an ID dinner, one of the most > enjoyable > > >  > communal > > >  > > > > > meal we all friends had together from the same > shared plate, > > >  > as > > >  > > > all > > >  > > > > > brothers should! The best banquet I have had the > privilege > > > of > > >  > > > > > attending pales in comparison of that relative > simple > > >  > evening even > > >  > > > > > though it was forced upon someone hesitant and > unprepared > > >  > for such > > >  > > > > > love, even though it was extremely selfish of > Pradeep to > > > have > > >  > > > forced > > >  > > > > > that to happen! Imagine? A descendent of Krishna, > a Yadav, a > > >  > > > Mehta to > > >  > > > > > make that beautiful evening happen between friends > separated > > >  > by > > >  > > > > > religions and cultures because their forefathers > could not > > >  > figure > > >  > > > out > > >  > > > > > the simple reality so it was left to their > children, to > > >  > embrace! > > >  > > > It > > >  > > > > > is always about food! Food is what brings us > together, once > > >  > we > > >  > > > > > succumb to our intrinsic drive -- hunger! > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Khan Chachchaa, my dad's senior steno or typist > who was > > >  > crazy as a > > >  > > > > > bat, they said, but who was the chosen one by my > dad to > > >  > teach me > > >  > > > > > touch typing (hard to argue with 100 wpm or maybe > 140! I > > >  > never > > >  > > > could > > >  > > > > > pin him down to a number let alone surpass it, of > course!). > > >  > I have > > >  > > > > > been many things, but believe me friends that > happenstance > > >  > skill I > > >  > > > > > picked up did bring me some pride and utility > later on :-) > > >  > When > > >  > > > life > > >  > > > > > opens a door, just enter it -- even if seemingly a > near > > >  > madman > > >  > > > stands > > >  > > > > > on the other side! Particularly when a harmless > madman > > > stands > > >  > > > there > > >  > > > > > just there to teach and wants nothing from you in > return but > > >  > a > > >  > > > smile > > >  > > > > > of gratitude perhaps! > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Growing up, I had many maharashtrian friends, > Jains too, > > >  > Punjabis, > > >  > > > > > Bengalis, and then I moved to Chandrigarh where I > really ran > > >  > into > > >  > > > > > South Indian Friends (YA!), the range is just > indescribable, > > >  > same > > >  > > > as > > >  > > > > > my earlier experiences with Jains, Maharashtrians > and > > >  > Bengalis (I > > >  > > > > > might be biased [oh those negative calcutta > experiences in > > >  > 0h so > > >  > > > > > remote nearly forgotten childhood, but these were > the most > > >  > tightly > > >  > > > > > bunched up kind of guys I must admit except one or > few -- I > > >  > did > > >  > > > not > > >  > > > > > get to know too many Bengali gals so cannot > comment). > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > I did run into the same *sampling* in addition to > other > > >  > cultures > > >  > > > when > > >  > > > > > I was given the passage to other countries, other > cultures! > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > You want my two cents? Same difference! But the > same trait > > >  > that is > > >  > > > > > tolerable in your own son and even forgivable may > not be > > >  > treated > > >  > > > > > similarly in a neighbour's offspring or worse, in > an enemy's > > >  > or > > >  > > > > > *perceived* enemy's child! Please remember that > before you > > >  > > > announce > > >  > > > > > the verdict!! > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > The same 67 cents (okay with inflation $5.79) > worth of > > >  > chemicals! > > >  > > > But > > >  > > > > > the entire framework changes, shifts and so does > the > > > personal > > >  > > > > > jurisprudence and ethic? > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > As they say, it is really all about THE JUDGE and > not the > > >  > Judgment > > >  > > > > > that defines one's PERSONAL REALITY! > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > RR > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY AND > > >  > > > RELISH THE > > >  > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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