Guest guest Posted October 27, 1999 Report Share Posted October 27, 1999 "COM: Kasya (das) SS (Prague - CZ)" wrote: > [Text 2733058 from COM] > > Dear mataji, > > Please accept my most humble obeisances. > All glories to Srila Prabhupada! > > On behalf of all the Vaisnavas, I would like to know where it is mentioned, > how to properly honor the cow, apart from feeding her nicely and not killing > her. I know that devotees use to make arati for cows during go-puja > festival. Is it proper? From where this tradition comes? Is Krsna specially > pleased by that? > > Your servant > Kasya das *********************** We know that Srila Prabhupada did not approve of a daily puja for the cows. But on Govardhana Puja is also Go-Puja -- "Go" means "Cow" (it even sounds almost like "cow") and "Puja" means "worship." So this is the day when Krsna advised to worship the cows. Balabhadra or Madhava Gosh or Syamasundara or Rohita prabhus could tell you whether the cows were worshipped on Govardhana puja while Srila Prabhupada was present. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi Letter to: Advaitacarya : 76-10-25 Vrindaban You are taking care of the cows. That is cow puja. Don't bother with anything else. Keep yourself in Krsna consciousness by strictly observing the regulative principles and chanting sixteen rounds. Letter to: Syama Dasi : 69-02-21 Los Angeles Regarding your next two questions, you may not put the initiation beads on the cow. Nor is it necessary for grhasthas to recite the Gayatri Mantra aloud. It should be silent or whispered. © 1991 by Bhaktivedanta Book Trust ----------------------- Other sources: Prabhupada Nectar, Vol. 4, by Satsvarupa dasa Goswami, p. 11. (excerpt from a letter from Srutakirti dasa to Kirtananda Swami, September 27, 1972) "While engaged in talking about New Vrindaban during Prabhupada's massage yesterday, I mentioned how we used to do cow aratis. At that point Prabhupada frowned. I asked if they were okay to do, and he said no. I asked if there was anything special to do for the coes. He said keep them clean, brush them nicely, bathe them, and also you can polish their horns and hooves." *********************** The Supreme Lord, Krsna, desired to utilize the opulent financial strength of Maharaja Nanda for worship of the cows, and also He wanted to give a lesson to Indra, the King of heaven. Thus He advised His father to perform worship of go, or the pasturing land and the cows, with the help of learned brahmanas. PURPORT Since He is the teacher of everyone, the Lord also taught His father, Nanda Maharaja. Nanda Maharaja was a well-to-do landholder and owner of many cows, and, as was the custom, he used to perform yearly worship of Indra, the King of heaven, with great opulence. This worship of demigods by the general populace is also advised in the Vedic literature just so people can accept the superior power of the Lord. The demigods are servants of the Lord deputed to look after the management of various activities of universal affairs. Therefore it is advised in the Vedic scriptures that one should perform yajnas to appease the demigods. But one who is devoted to the Supreme Lord has no need to appease the demigods. Worship of the demigods by common people is an arrangement for acknowledging the supremacy of the Supreme Lord, but it is not necessary. Such appeasement is generally recommended for material gains only. As we have already discussed in the Second Canto of this literature, one who admits the supremacy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead does not need to worship the secondary demigods. Sometimes, being worshiped and adored by less intelligent living beings, the demigods become puffed up with power and forget the supremacy of the Lord. This happened when Lord Krsna was present in the universe, and thus the Lord wanted to give a lesson to the King of heaven, Indra. He therefore asked Maharaja Nanda to stop the sacrifice offered to Indra and to use the money properly by performing a ceremony worshiping the cows and the pasturing ground on the hill of Govardhana. By this act Lord Krsna taught human society, as He has instructed in the Bhagavad-gita also, that one should worship the Supreme Lord by all acts and by all their results. That will bring about the desired success. The vaiçyas are specifically advised to give protection to the cows and their pasturing ground or agricultural land instead of squandering their hard-earned money. That will satisfy the Lord. ============ REF. SB 3.2.32 The clouds give forth rain when they are impelled by the mode of passion, and cowherds prosper by protecting the cows. Furthermore, the cowherds’ proper residence is in the forest and on the hills. Therefore you should offer worship to the cows, the brahmanas and Govardhana Hill. ============ REF. SB 10.24 Summary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 1999 Report Share Posted October 29, 1999 > > We know that Srila Prabhupada did not approve of a daily puja for the cows. > But > on Govardhana Puja is also Go-Puja -- "Go" means "Cow" (it even sounds almost > like "cow") and "Puja" means "worship." So this is the day when Krsna advised > to worship the cows. Balabhadra or Madhava Gosh or Syamasundara or Rohita > prabhus could tell you whether the cows were worshipped on Govardhana puja > while > Srila Prabhupada was present. > > your servant, > > Hare Krsna dasi Well, they were honored. I don't remember ever actually performing arotikas directly to cows. Also, there is Gopastami, which even more so than Govardhan puja was especially for the cows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 1999 Report Share Posted October 29, 1999 >>Hare Krsna dasi >>We know that Srila Prabhupada did not approve of a daily puja for the cows. But on Govardhana Puja is also Go-Puja -- "Go" means "Cow" (it even sounds almost like "cow") and "Puja" means "worship." So this is the day when Krsna advised to worship the cows. Balabhadra or Madhava Gosh or Syamasundara or Rohita prabhus could tell you whether the cows were worshipped on Govardhana puja while Srila Prabhupada was present. > Madhava Gosh > Well, they were honored. I don't remember ever actually performing arotikas directly to cows. > Also, there is Gopastami, which even more so than Govardhan puja was especially for the cows. Comment: Gopastami is more appropriate, but I have been instructed by Jaya Pataka Maharaj that it is not proper to preform arotik to the cows, garlands and 'cow cookies' and painting are recommmended. Our worship of them lies in how we treat them and use their by-products - that is what most pleases them and the Lord. ys, Rohita dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 1999 Report Share Posted October 29, 1999 Actually, I never found out much about Gopastami until last year. Could you explain the story to it and how you observed it in Srila Prabhupada's presence. Thanks. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi "COM: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)" wrote: > [Text 2736734 from COM] > > > > > We know that Srila Prabhupada did not approve of a daily puja for the cows. > > But > > on Govardhana Puja is also Go-Puja -- "Go" means "Cow" (it even sounds almost > > like "cow") and "Puja" means "worship." So this is the day when Krsna > advised > > to worship the cows. Balabhadra or Madhava Gosh or Syamasundara or Rohita > > prabhus could tell you whether the cows were worshipped on Govardhana puja > > while > > Srila Prabhupada was present. > > > > your servant, > > > > Hare Krsna dasi > > Well, they were honored. I don't remember ever actually performing arotikas > directly to cows. > > Also, there is Gopastami, which even more so than Govardhan puja was > especially > for the cows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 1999 Report Share Posted November 2, 1999 Haribol prabhus, PAMHO AGTSP Well I'd like a clear yes or no, because it's coming soon. Do we or don't we worship the cows on GO Puja day, because we certainly have been doing it for years here. At least most years. So if this is not appropriate, then what do we do? Do we celebrate them without Arotik or when is Gopastami, as I'm working on a BBT and not a Vaisnava detailed calender. To date it hasn't ever figured much that I can think of. My point being, that it's the only day we can get a whole temple focused on the cows, THEIR cows. For at least one day, they see that the cows have personality, are easy to groom and touch, and respond to association. Maybe the impact isn't too lasting on adults, I can't say, but certainly it marks well in the children's memories. My son who is now a grown man, can still remember dressing up to 'lift Govardhana Hill' and the cow when she passed stool in front of everybody. He remembers, which is a big difference from hearing from another adult devotee some years ago commenting that we spoke about the cows like they had real personalities, or that they were just like other devotees, and that was during a conversation to assist the cow programme. So please can we clarify this so we can arrange SOMETHING at SOMETIME, otherwise how do we educate and raise the profile in a personal way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 1999 Report Share Posted November 2, 1999 "COM: Ananda Maya (dd) SDG (Derrylin - Northern Ireland)" wrote: > [Text 2747694 from COM] > > Haribol prabhus, > PAMHO AGTSP > > Well I'd like a clear yes or no, because it's coming soon. Do we or don't we > worship the cows on GO Puja day, because we certainly have been doing it for > years here. Well, I can only give you my opinion. If the question is should you honor the cows, then a yes. If you mean do arotik, then I would say, based on the Srila Prabhupada quote, no.. Hare Krsna dasi asked how we did it when Srila Prabhupada was present. Truthfully, I don't remember. I do remember one Gopastami, we set up a Vyas asana in one of the miiddle stalls of the row in the tie stall barn. The arotik was performed to Srila Prabhupada. I can't remember if Srila Prabhupada was on the planet or not, can't remember if their was a murti or a picture on the vyasa sana. One reason is that my vantage point was in the feed aisle behind the vyasa asana, so my memory was from that vantage point. Why I remember that particular year, is that my good friend, now gone from his body, Taru was involved in a caper. He was either doing the arotik or else standing right behind the vyasa sana. Only a couple of us were behind, most were crowded in front of the vyasa sana. After the offering was made, the pujari sliped the plate under the vyasa sana and started the arotik. The devotee behind the vyasa sana reached under it and slipped the plate out from under neath, then fled from the barn with it. Naturally, havingmore interest in the high fat content of the plate then in the subtler ecstasy of worshipping the guru, I followed him. When the puja emerged from the barn, we transfered the contents and dealt with them according to our own motivations. Sorry for rambling. Do what you feel called to do, but if you were to take a picture/murti of Srila Prabhupada to the barn, if that is where the festivities take place, and do a guru puja, I feel you would be pretty safe. You can still brush and decorate the cows, and associate with them, and all that, have a parade, dramas, whatever, but make the actual arotik a guru puja. In New Vrindaban, they used to take some cows to the temple for Govardhana puja, and then have Gopastami actually at the barn. I don't know your physical setup where you are, if the barn is near the temple, it is a lot easier. The calendar I am looking at shows Govardhana puja Nov 8, Gopastami Nov. 16. The go puja reference is more towards the land in the form of Govardhan hill. I have always thought that go means the land, the cows, and the senses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 1999 Report Share Posted November 2, 1999 Dear Prabhu; When Srila Prabhupada was present we definitely performed arotika for the cows on Gopastami. I was here on New Talavan from 1974 and Srila Prabhupada visited here in 1975. Every year we performed arotik for the cows on Gopastami. One year I remember the local sheriff happended to come up for something just while we were performing arotik. I went greet him and to try and explain the ceremony. He just drawled whatever yall do is yalls business. I guess he would have a hard time understanding all the devotees in full dress waving a lamp around the cows decorated with flowers and painted up so nicely. I guess that story circulated around the local stockyards for awhile. anyway I know that Srila Jayapataka gave sanction to the arotik on Gopastami also. I hope this helps. YS Dvibhuja Das COM: Ananda Maya (dd) SDG (Derrylin - Northern Ireland) <Ananda.Maya.SDG (AT) bbt (DOT) se> WWW: Rohita (Dasa) ACBSP (New Talavan MS - USA) <talavan (AT) com (DOT) org>; COM: Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) bbt (DOT) se> Monday, November 01, 1999 11:30 PM Re: Worshipping the cow >[Text 2747694 from COM] > >Haribol prabhus, >PAMHO AGTSP > >Well I'd like a clear yes or no, because it's coming soon. Do we or don't we >worship the cows on GO Puja day, because we certainly have been doing it for >years here. At least most years. So if this is not appropriate, then what do >we do? Do we celebrate them without Arotik or when is Gopastami, as I'm >working on a BBT and not a Vaisnava detailed calender. To date it hasn't >ever figured much that I can think of. My point being, that it's the only >day we can get a whole temple focused on the cows, THEIR cows. For at least >one day, they see that the cows have personality, are easy to groom and >touch, and respond to association. Maybe the impact isn't too lasting on >adults, I can't say, but certainly it marks well in the children's memories. >My son who is now a grown man, can still remember dressing up to 'lift >Govardhana Hill' and the cow when she passed stool in front of everybody. He >remembers, which is a big difference from hearing from another adult devotee >some years ago commenting that we spoke about the cows like they had real >personalities, or that they were just like other devotees, and that was >during a conversation to assist the cow programme. So please can we clarify >this so we can arrange SOMETHING at SOMETIME, otherwise how do we educate >and raise the profile in a personal way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 1999 Report Share Posted November 6, 1999 Haribol prabhus, PAMHO AGTSP Thanks for the various opinions. I think we'll go more with M.Gosh's date of the 16th for specialised honour of our cows here, but unfortunately our barn and yarn are not really suitable, but we'll do our best. Anyway, a couple of devotees were interested in seeing the cows on Govardhana Puja, but I guess Sri Govinda is in His Govardhana mood of 'rocking the boat' so to speak, as they'll have to come across the water to do so (normally we take a cow across the lake to the temple, but there's no engine for the boat, and I don't believe that we should make her swim just so we can honour her!). Even if they don't, my family have always spent a little extra time and endeavour on them on that day. I appreciate all the devotees help in these matters. ys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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