Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 Haribol Carol. Good idea about the copper screen slug deterent. The other idea is somewhat over active. A devotee gardener is like a father over the living entities under his domain. One can fence them and train them and redirect them but one cannot directly snuff them out. The beer in a dish is a known organic way of eradicating slugs but it is direct action. Action to which a devotee gardener cannot do. In-direct slug protection like keeping roaming ducks or chickens is OK, but not actually drowning them or picking them off the leaves and handing them to the ducks. Srila Prabhupada said we can keep cats to deal with mice and rats. ys Shyam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 > Haribol Carol. Good idea about the copper screen slug deterent. The other > idea is somewhat over active. A devotee gardener is like a father over the > living entities under his domain. One can fence them and train them and > redirect them but one cannot directly snuff them out. The beer in a dish > is a known organic way of eradicating slugs but it is direct action. > Action to which a devotee gardener cannot do. In-direct slug protection > like keeping roaming ducks or chickens is OK, but not actually drowning > them or picking them off the leaves and handing them to the ducks. Srila > Prabhupada said we can keep cats to deal with mice and rats. > > ys Shyam I have just been informed by a naturalist here, that the best bird for slug control is a Quail. They are not interested so much in plants, but love slugs and snails. So they can wander through your subji patch, an eat only the bugs. Neat huh! Goshji, Gaurasakti prabhu told me that one time you figured out how to make a type of house for a particular bird that eats flies, and that after you made it, the birds came, and the flies left (or should I say 'dissapeared'). What were those birds, what kind of flies, and how do you make the house? Shyamasundara prabhu, what about birth control for bugs? Apparently neem, when sprayed on plants, does not kill the bugs, but works in other ways. A plant sprayed with neem becomes undesirable to a bug, which will starve to death, even if surrounded by its favourite food. Apparently it also deters bugs from laying eggs on plants (ovipositional deterrence), which is the cause of much damage when they hatch. Interestingly, while it deters unfavourable bugs, bees are unnafected, and in some cases bee diseases can be cured with it. Neem appears to me to be nothing short of a miracle tree, Lord Caitanya didn't take birth under one for nothing! YS Samba das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 1999 Report Share Posted October 9, 1999 > > > Goshji, Gaurasakti prabhu told me that one time you figured out how to make > a type of house for a particular bird that eats flies, and that after you > made it, the birds came, and the flies left (or should I say 'dissapeared'). > What were those birds, what kind of flies, and how do you make the house? For the record, peacocks eat flies. Even very young ones can pick them right out of the air. Early peoples made birdhouses out of gourds. Purple martins will keep mosquitoes down. Eastern bluebirds and wrens are insectivarious and relatively easy to attract. I am sure in every environment there are similar birds. Study of birds is facinating and useful. Anyone trying to make a leap to living on the Earth would be advised to develop an interest. A love of birds can be a quite interesting hobby to replace many of the overstimulating pleasures of ugra karmic society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 1999 Report Share Posted October 10, 1999 Soo, we shouldn't use or do anything that would directly cause the demise of a poor slug or any other insect-creature. Using aother environment friendly creature to eat them is ok. Alright, but what about us city-folk-gardners who are not allowed by law to keep ducks and geese or whatever...? (Actually, we even tried the beer in a dish method once, and it didn't work for the slugs, but it earned us a dubious reputaion from our guest who could easily smell it! Nevermind that we had so send someone our "under-cover" to buy it!)(as for that method, what is wrong with it really? Excdept that it doesn't work? We do not actually place the little rascals in the dish of beer...they go in all by themselves!) Neem trees don't make it through the winter-hell and besides, there isn't that much room for a neem orchard anyway. We see these rascal snails/slugs as invading element, attacking Krishna's gardner, eatting up His flowers and vegies...so how to defend in a non-violent method in the city? (like, these slugs even eat up the marigolds which were planted for protecting the other plants from various insects as well as for garland making!) It seems like a situation of "all is fair in love and war...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 1999 Report Share Posted October 11, 1999 "COM: Malati (dd) ACBSP (Columbus - USA)" wrote: > [Text 2689637 from COM] > > Soo, we shouldn't use or do anything that would directly cause the demise of > a poor slug or any other insect-creature. Does that mean everyone will stop driving autos? Those splotches on the windshield, for those who haven't made the connection, are bugs. > (Actually, we even tried the beer in a dish method once, and it didn't work > for the slugs, We have used it quite successfully, but stopped, just because it was so expensive buying all the beer. > Nevermind that we had so send someone our "under-cover" to > buy it!) Even if there appears to be some discrepancy according to an imperfect devotee's estimation, the devotee should be fixed in the conviction that even if his spiritual master goes to a liquor shop, he is not a drunkard; rather, he must have some purpose in going there. >>> Ref. VedaBase => Antya 3.11 So, now we now one reason why he might have gone in there? > (as for that method, what is wrong with it really? Excdept that it > doesn't work? We do not actually place the little rascals in the dish of > beer...they go in all by themselves!) Exactly. Seems even less implicating than bringing in a duck for the purpose of eating them. > ..so how to defend in a > non-violent method in the city? If you were hung up on that, and didn't want to use diatamaceous earth ( not the swimming pool stuff) you could trap them and then go drop them in a cemetary or somewhere far enough away they wouldn't crawl back. Like leave a board next to where they are eating, and in th emorning turn it over, collect them , and relocate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 1999 Report Share Posted October 14, 1999 >(Actually, we even tried the beer in a dish method once, and it didn't work >for the slugs, but it earned us a dubious reputaion from our guest who >could easily smell it! You have to let the beer ferment a little then they'll go for it. I t doesn't seem to kill them, they become even slower moving - then they can be removed. Vinegar does actually kill slugs and snails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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