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[Guest guest]

I'm not clear on whether this article was advocating co-dependency or

independence? With donors in the city the "cow protectors" are at the mercy

of the fickle economy enabling their city donors to donate.

 

I loved the idea of communities donating Land for life, to those who wish to

farm. I was going to suggest this to a friend with land. There would of

course have to be coningencies. A certain criteria to measure production

output on an average yearlly basis must be designed fairly to both parties, the

donor, and the farmer. With escape clauses if agreements are not met.

However, this does not mean that someone works enthusiastically for 10 years

falls ill and then is pushed off the land (very iskconlike scenario).

Amendments could be made to have someone else work.

 

The only way I can see this being a successful endeavor for all involved is if

there is a viable product market. It was mentioned that small farms can't

compete in the field of grain production for instance. What they can compete

in is "cottage industries". This would mean community compatible branch offs.

i.e. The man maintains and milks the cow, sell the milk to the person who make

butter or ghee, same or someone else packages the ghee, ships to stores. (same

with sweets etc). There is a practical need to KNOW that the oxen can "pull

their own weight" (meant to be a pun, please laugh)

economically. If it cost more to maintain the ox then the ox can return, then

of course after years those endeavoring can lose heart, and go to the city or

"easy money".

 

However if the communities with farms can somehow be a magnet for folks who

wish to live off the land indirectly, and directly, by encouraging

"entrepaneurship(no spell check)Then donors would be welcome, but the whole

system will not fall in a recession (or worse). obeisances ekaBuddhi

[Guest guest]

Hare Krsna cowprotectors

Please accept my humble obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada.

 

 

 

16nov Ekabuddhi prabhu wrote;

I loved the idea of communities donating Land for life, to those who wish to

farm. I was going to suggest this to a friend with land. There would of

course have to be coningencies. A certain criteria to measure production

output on an average yearlly basis must be designed fairly to both parties,

the

donor, and the farmer. With escape clauses if agreements are not met.

However, this does not mean that someone works enthusiastically for 10 years

falls ill and then is pushed off the land (very iskconlike scenario).

Amendments could be made to have someone else work.

obeisances ekaBuddhi

 

 

I meant to donate for life.

No business scheme ; as long as you do what I want you can stay on the land.

To start a varnasrama selfsufficient community is very difficult.

So give the ones who want to try at least some security.

First make a detailed plan of what the farm community will be like.

That will attract the right people who can really find themselves in that

plan.

Then you donate a piece of land to those people.

Make sure you donate to the right people.

This can make a mature varnasrama community where the people involved help

eachother for good or bad.

If someone doesn't follow anymore than he can leave by himself sooner or

later.

In the meantime the others have a nice opportunity to learn tolerance and

compassion.

Ofcourse the people involved will have to make some money to pay for the

land taxes their phone bills and whatever else.

All you donate is the land.

The people are still responsible for their own maintenance.

To make sure you attract the right people there are certain clause on the

land use like;

Design the community like a little village (no people living in their own

little corner)

No cars on the property (a parking at the entrance)

No fossilfuelengines to be used on the land

No electricity from the grid

Pump your own water

No chemical fertilizers

No dogs

and whateverelse

 

But whether they produce a lot and chant their rounds, that is their

business.

And if someone violates one of the clauses:

There is no way to kick him out, just talk to him be friendly, try to help

him change his mind.

 

Haribolo, your servant, Hari kirtan dasa

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna, I was thinking of past situations in communities. There have to

be some way out IF -- as i have seen in the past -- if the "neighbor" does harm

to others. THere was an instance where an odd? farmer put poison on someones

garden they had a disagreement with. Unfortunately there are many devottes

with "issues", and not everyone will be forthcoming in talking about others,

especially if they want them off THEIR land. Therefore, for "Life" as long as

you live by certain rules of "human" etiquette. I agree that the chanting

rounds etc. is a personal thing. I also think the pumping water and no

electric limits your possibilities. A young mother might like a refrigerator?

What your talking about would be akin to a 24 hour "colonial willimsburg"

setting...which could be a good tourist draw? But otherwise would be hard to

"compete" (as someone said) with the modern market. obeisancess eka b

[Guest guest]

> I'm not clear on whether this article was advocating co-dependency or

> independence? With donors in the city the "cow protectors" are at the

mercy

> of the fickle economy enabling their city donors to donate.

>

 

True if the donations were applied directly, but not true if the donations

are capital gifts that fund endowments. Then the income, or trust owned

assets, is assured.

 

 

I agree with your other points.