Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Dear Prabhus, PAMHO. AGTSP. Nirguna prabhu just wrote me that she inadverdently put her recent text in the cow conference, she had just meant it to be a reply to Hare Krsna dasi. We have been in communication with Nirguna prabhu for some time now and she is very sincere in her desire to do something for the cows in India. And we do not mean just ISKCON cows. There is no political agenda in her thought processes. In fact we are glad that Nirguna put the text in the conference. She has brought forth some truths that reinforce Hare Krsna dasi's concerns. These truths go beyond any campisms. We have been receiving newspaper, magazine articles from Nirguna prabhu concerning the issue of cows in India. Not being in India and being not so well informed of current events, these articles are very informing and even shocking. We are now requesting Nirguna prabhu, if she could occasionally put appropriate ones into the cow conference so the members can learn also. Nirguna, by the way, the last attachment was not received. I think it might be a problem of the conference so if you could maybe paste it into the e-mail itself? This Ministry has been trying since 1999 to bring awareness to how important it is to control the breeding in India, where it seems to be going on with disregard to land capacity and ability to engage the oxen in locales such as Mayapur and Vrndavana. Yes, Hare Krsna dasi we have received a very thorough report from Mayapur in which it is stated that 40 animals were given away last year on non judical stamped contracts. In other words, these contracts are not legally binding. The goshalla in charge can not meet all his expenses by selling milk and is requesting help in meeting the goshalla needs. We have recently written a letter to most all in charge of Mayapur about what is actually gong on and what can be done about it. No reply as of yet. Unfortunately this has been one of many attempts to get some action going in the directon of forming solutions. The Vrndavana scene is somewhat similar except that we have not received an acceptable report yet. Two attempts at reports have been made for the April 30th deadline. In the first one the numbers of the animals in categories did not add up to the total given and there was no breeding count nor names. We were promised more information in a few days. A month passed and at our prodding, another report was sent. This time the breeding count was not given and no names. We have been promised more info in a few days (that was about a month ago) and next report is promised to be complete. Throughout all our attempts to bring accountability to ISKCON goshallas in India we are told that we do not undestand India, that it is different in India. We are sure that India does have untold numbers of people, not found in the western countries, who believe in Cow Protection and who will support cow protection. In fact Nirguna prabhu has informed us that there is some government agency that will support a goshalla endeavor for the protection of the cows. Nirguna prabhu, could you put into this conference that information? That might even be of help to the discussion here about how to finance some form of cow protection that Mark and others were discussing. However, the information about cows being smuggled into Bangladesh that Nirguna prabhu has referred too is very real. By the way, there is a slaughter house in Mathura to which we understand there are trucks that cruise Vrndavana to pick up stray cows for its business. PETA has exposed much of the mistreatment of smuggled animals to the world media and to my understanding still hasn't gone away from the scene. But it is not just PETA who are concerned as Nirguna prabhu has indicated. It seems to be very difficult for the ISKCON devotees to realize the reality of the outer world around them. We have been informed that the ICC ( the ISKCON Indian governing agency) feels that the standards are too much for India and should be changed to apply to the Indian situation. Prem Kishore prabhu was nominated to be in charge of an Indian Ministry. He is the goshalla in charge of Vrndavana who has not yet been able to present an acceptable cow report. There is a committee appointed to suggest the Standard changes to the ICC. We were informed after the fact and only by our prodding. This Ministry humble requests that Ramanuja prabhu inform us if our information might not be correct and since we understand that he is a member of the committee suggesting the changes that he keep us informed of the committee's progress. In fact it is our request that the original founders of the standards be included in a discussion of the changes. In support of Ramanuja prabhu we would like to say Jaipur temple seems to be a progressive example of planning with regard to the reality of the situation. His cow report was complete. In short, this Ministry has no political agenda. The agenda is to establish cow protection world-wide within ISKCON as well as outside. Our attempts are humble to say the least. The belief is that where there is cow protection, the aim of life will be achieved: Srimad-Bhagavatam Canto 8: Chapter 24, Text 5 Purport "Without protection of cows, brahminical culture cannot be maintained;and without brahminical culture, the aim of life cannot be fulfilled." Your servants, Balabhadra das & Chaydevi ISKCON Ministry for Cow Protection and Agriculture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Thank you for the correction. - "Pancaratna ACBSP" <Pancaratna.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> "Nirguna" <adri108 (AT) cal3 (DOT) vsnl.net.in>; "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Friday, June 29, 2001 2:03 PM The Truth > Dandavad. Prabhupada kijaya! > > Some clarification: > > >Yes, Hare Krsna dasi we have > > received a very thorough report from Mayapur in which it is stated that 40 > > animals were given away last year on non judical stamped contracts. In > > other words, these contracts are not legally binding. > > Actually non-judicial does not mean that it is not legally binding. It is > simply a term to distinguish different types of legal forms. > > Of course, even though the contract is legally binding, enforcing it is only > possible if there is very close supervision. > > Your servant, > Pancaratna das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 "ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA)" wrote: > Thank you for the correction. > - > "Pancaratna ACBSP" <Pancaratna.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > "Nirguna" <adri108 (AT) cal3 (DOT) vsnl.net.in>; "Cow (Protection and related > issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Friday, June 29, 2001 2:03 PM > The Truth > > > Dandavad. Prabhupada kijaya! > > > > Some clarification: > > > > >Yes, Hare Krsna dasi we have > > > received a very thorough report from Mayapur in which it is stated that > 40 > > > animals were given away last year on non judical stamped contracts. In > > > other words, these contracts are not legally binding. > > > > Actually non-judicial does not mean that it is not legally binding. It is > > simply a term to distinguish different types of legal forms. > > > > Of course, even though the contract is legally binding, enforcing it is > only > > possible if there is very close supervision. > > > > Your servant, > > Pancaratna das It seems that the fundamental point remains: Their breeding of cows is focussed on milk production. They have no solid plan for the training, engagement and life-time protection of any resulting calves, including the especially vulnerable bull calves. Instead, it is a catch-as-catch-can arrangement. They breed the cow for milk, and when a bull calf is born they give it away and simply hope for the best. This is not good enough. This is against ISKCON law. A temple president who supports this kind of irresponsible and illegal breeding, which risks the lives of the resulting bull calves and breaks ISKCON law should be quickly removed from his post -- especially after a accumulating a long record of permitting similar law-breaking in his project. But, of course, none of us devotees will act to protect Dharma the Bull. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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