Guest guest Posted September 14, 1999 Report Share Posted September 14, 1999 Noelene Hawkins wrote: > My concern ius mainly item #14- Local GBC responsibility. I feel there has > to be some additions applicable to our > situation, because its just not working: cow abuse is continuing. Has the GBC made a visit or sent a monitor and then sent in a report? Assuming he hasn't, then the problem isn't the standard, the problem is compliance to the standard. To simply make more or different standards isn't going to help if existing ones are being ignored. The real area that needs to be investigated is enforcement. That is a whole another ball of wax. I think if a GBC is not follwong the guideline, or is percieved to be merely giving lip service to the standards, then devotees concerned about a project should be able to bring in an independent monitor to assess the situation, and that report supplied to the Cow Ministryt and other interested devotees. Of course, the cow Ministry is unfunded, so until the GBC gives funds, we can't expect too much. The real push should be to get funding for the Cow Ministry so they could send impartial monitors to farms where there seems to be discrepencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 1999 Report Share Posted September 16, 1999 >Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) access (DOT) mountain.net> >niscala99 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, Cow (AT) bbt (DOT) se >Re: Changes to Standards/help me >Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:42:35 -0400 > > > >Noelene Hawkins wrote: > > > My concern ius mainly item #14- Local GBC responsibility. I feel there >has > > to be some additions applicable to our > > situation, because its just not working: cow abuse is continuing. > >Has the GBC made a visit or sent a monitor and then sent in a report? >Assuming he >hasn't, then the problem isn't the standard, the problem is compliance to >the >standard. To simply make more or different standards isn't going to help >if existing >ones are being ignored. > >The real area that needs to be investigated is enforcement. That is a >whole another >ball of wax. > >I think if a GBC is not follwong the guideline, or is percieved to be >merely giving lip >service to the standards, then devotees concerned about a project should >be able to >bring in an independent monitor to assess the situation, and that report >supplied to >the Cow Ministryt and other interested devotees. Of course, the cow >Ministry is >unfunded, so until the GBC gives funds, we can't expect too much. > >The real push should be to get funding for the Cow Ministry so they could >send impartial >monitors to farms where there seems to be discrepencies. > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 1999 Report Share Posted September 20, 1999 > > > > > > > This GBC is exemplery in every other way, and I'm sure he will >eventually > > send in a report as requested, but he lacks the kind of concern one > > naturally develops when over a period of time spent with the cows, a >loving > > relationship is fostered. > >Well, the question is still, has he come to existing standards? If not, >then >more rules won't change anything. Has there been any solutions to the problem of enforcement? You can't legislate love. Well, I think without it, or evidence for it (and there ARE observable symptoms) these rules will become a formality which can be made bottom priority for those lacking in this quality- love for Krsna's cows, YS, Niscala > > > > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 1999 Report Share Posted September 20, 1999 > > > Has there been any solutions to the problem of enforcement? > > You can't legislate love. > > Well, I think without it, or evidence for it (and there ARE observable > symptoms) these rules will become a formality which can be made bottom > priority for those lacking in this quality- love for Krsna's cows, YS, > Niscala > > That is not solely a problem with these Standards - it is a problem with all sets of rules and laws. Our discussions should be on what is the mechanism of enforcement, which is sort of a ksatriya issue. I think that the Standards themselves, although crude and imperfect, already represent about as much of brahminical input as we are likely to get, and noodling with them won't accomplish very much. First theory, then practice. We have theory, now let's try put it into practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 1999 Report Share Posted September 24, 1999 >>Mark Middle Mountain <gourdmad (AT) access (DOT) mountain.net> >> >>The real push should be to get funding for the Cow Ministry so they could >>send impartial >>monitors to farms where there seems to be discrepencies. >> I agree greatly with Madhava Gosh's statement. Even almost 2 years ago when we started writing the standards on this conference, I thought, "This is real nice, but how will we enforce them? That will be the real challenge." When I think about it now, it all comes down to sending an impartial monitor and that costs money and there has to also some adequate educational materials to refer others too. We just received a notice of aplication for a grant from ISKCON Foundation-deadline Oct 15, 1999. Grants to be activated starting January 2000. This will be my priority for a few weeks as it is a very thorough and detailed application. The same papers can be used for presenting a request for funding from the GBC. We will see what Krsna has in mind. Roughly, I will be presenting a budget to be divided in half approximately. Half for traveling and half for backup. Backup would include a newsletter that is more detailed in "How To", Cow Protection manual book, Reference book list for standards, correspondence, WEB page. Chayadevi and possibly another person- that would equal one full time person. Travel would be at first to trouble spots to educate and establish standards by hands-on association. We are thinking of Balabhadra, Rohita and Ekadasi who could travel. Ekadasi is based India. I am thinking that $25,000 or possibly $35,000 is all I can ask for. I would expect that less would be given-hopefully not less than $20,000. This is wonderful considering there is no present budget, but I think we will find early on this amount inadequate. We will be able to do something more than we can now, however. Any suggestions, ideas will be appreciated. Sorry for not being so involved on the cow conference lately. A lot of personal changes and stress, and lately computer problems which I think we have fixed.(Just found out that we still have computer problems-the computer crashed when I was trying to send this message). Your servant, Chayadevi Your servant, Chayadevi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 1999 Report Share Posted September 25, 1999 Haribol prabhus, PAMHO AGTSP Regarding the budget, there may be "American" options other than ISKCON (although it should have an ISKCON budget). Is there any possibility of getting funding from any other source such as governmental, educational or charity foundation. Also maybe you could try corporate sponsorship. It's not an ideal solution but it may get you a visit cost for one person which is a bonus. Also maybe the cow-folk on com could supply back-up support documentation if networking is a key factor to obtaining the funding. It's just a thought, as I'm looking at similar routes here where the cows have no budget at all, although we've put in place the planning which this could be partially rectified in the new covenent programme which is running. Also I was thinking that if there is no GBC budget forthcoming, maybe a small tax could be placed on each farm according to size devotee population etc. and this would cover their dealings with the new cow ministry. And before anyone starts ranting about the lack of temple/farm finances already, you're telling the enlightened as we are definately in a financial mess here. We're paying for the cows out of bitty donations, my welfare cheque (when I'm not having to go out and support the family, and leave the cows), and desperate demands when there is fodder to be cut, and praying that Krsna will send some devotee with a few quid. Right now we have no subscription to ISCOWP newsletter as we think that the equivilent of $25 is huge! So I'm looking for a sponsor for that here. But we're trying loads of things to change this. And finally, although it's putting things way out of my own reach, why not add a "ministry" couple of dollars to the subscription rate, and judging by the numbers on your list, you'll know approximately how much extra you can gain. Sorry if it's not great help, but you did ask for ideas. ys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 1999 Report Share Posted September 25, 1999 > We're > paying for the cows out of bitty donations, my welfare cheque (when I'm not > having to go out and support the family, and leave the cows), and desperate > demands when there is fodder to be cut, and praying that Krsna will send > some devotee with a few quid. Right now we have no subscription to ISCOWP > newsletter as we think that the equivilent of $25 is huge! Your sacrifice will be rewarded in the long run, even if it seems unlikely now. Hang in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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