Nucleating a determined point with a goal

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Dearest devotees,

 

I have so much enjoyed the last round of comments from

you all. Such commentary on Indian villages is so

enriching, in fact I will use it as teaching material

in Geography classes, when looking at Industrial and

Ghandian development paradigms.

 

There is so much that one could write in reply, but I

have another mission:

 

As well as living a karmi lifestyle, I have my style

of a one-pointed meditation on Krsna - Westernised cow

protection, as a means to an end - Vedic cow

protection.

 

I do not find temple worship too enjoyable (still too

much "¿something?" to do that), I chant Hare Krsna,

but not too much, what I do do though is meditate on

how to impliment cow protection into the Western

sphere - my bhakti, my compromise!

 

Our visions seem to be narrowing - similar concepts,

different ways of seeing it. The elephant is the same

if it is its tail or its trunk. And as Sambha says

emails are a difficult medium to fully appreciate the

people at the other end.

 

But what are we all on this conference for, if it is

not for the implimentation of worldwide cow protection

as a means of acting out the word of God, as Bhakti

Yoga?

 

Sambha Prabhu articulates the compromise I believe is

entirely necessary to start the ball rolling of this

goal:

 

> In general I agree with your sentiments in this

> regard, a blind uncle is better than none, and to

start getting into sustainable, yet commercial

> livlihoods is a step in the right direction,

> especialy as regards selling paintings, which I feel

creates very bad habits in devotees, and is not at

> all the kind of livlihood that we should have. My

> reservation was against making a livlihood

exclusively cow based, with no safety net for the

cows.

> Give a scenario where the cows are always *happy*,

> and I would say go for it. Krsna really does care

about the cows being *happy*. For devotees that

> should be the criteria. If we dont care for the cows

> *happiness* I dont think Krsna will be too worried

about ours.

> I object to notions that say that Prabhupadas ideas

> cannot work, or are

> impractical, I beleive that these are fully

> possible, its just that many

> devotees dont care for them.

 

I too believe Prabhupadian ideals can work, it is just

that we (some) are so hypocritical that we do not take

them up. Espouse them, yes. Live them, that's another

story - especially in the simple living catagory.

 

> What you need to do is actualy find people who mean

> what they say, and are prepared to act on it. Not

easy to find such people, and I myself have felt

> greatly unhappy at not having such association

> myself. In fact I must confess to having been a

pretender myself for many years, and it is only in

> recent years that I have been forced to face up to

> it, i'm still not cured though.

 

I find this type of honesty so refreshing. And in

terms of its content, what are we here if not people

who want to formulate the goal of the mission - bhakti

yoga - living the commands of the Guru - worldwide cow

protection as part of the simple living dharm, as part

of the movement for God realisation. If we're not

serious then am I not wasting hours on this conference

in banal argument?

 

> I guess also that you may consider that I am one of

> those that pushes the Prabhupada line; I beleive it

wholeheartedly, but I am not living up to it

> either. When it comes to discussions about what

> should be done, I always tend to go for the ideal,

but personaly I am trying to reach it as much as

> anyone else. You are speaking of compromise. I

beleive that we need to always be aware that we are

compromising, until we are able to reach a state where

we have the ideal. So personaly I would favour plans

that recognise that they are steps towards a higher

goal, rather than ends to themselves. I believe that

> we will only begin to realise varnasrama once we

> have made many small compromise steps in order to

reach the goal.

 

This is my sentiment entirely. What I am trying to

nucleate is the action plan to do this, it is just

with devotees (as a generalisation) one has to go

through philosophical fine tuning before anything

else.

 

So, though you and many others may be in favour of a

compromise movement, in the months I have been on this

conference, whilst I really do feel benefitted by all

your association, my one-pointed goal of mapping and

costing the system has not gotten too far - we always

go back to philosphising on the compromise that I

push.

 

Syam, who knows my mind the best and also agrees that

a larger enterprise is needed as the backbone that all

smaller enterprises can work from, has given me his

data on milking and on potato crops. Rohita has given

other data on labour ratios to milking cows. We have

looked at endowments, maximum, optimum and minimum

care of cows, the relationship between public, private

and charity, but mostly we have debated the ideal and

how my argument falls short of the ideals.

 

The thing is that I am trained to build this model and

to nucleate the forces to achieve this goal. If we on

this conference could just say "OK, give this guy his

cheese - fulfill his desires, let's aid in this

business approach in the Western sphere. After all the

ultimate goal is to get people on to the land and live

simply so as to have time for social, cultural life in

the means to realise God, and as many do not just live

on krsna communes but interface with "normal society"

then this is a stepping stone across the river from

meat-based slaughter to milk and crop based commercial

cow protection to simple living mostly-subsistence

cow-based society."

 

Well, I would be happy, and I honestly think

Prabhupada and Krsna would say why not, if you find A

too difficult then do B, do C, do something for Krsna.

 

So, for those on this conference who read my writings,

I, and you all, have the outlines of the necessary

framework, the questions, the approach, to install a

Protection farming system in the UK, EU, US, even in

Argentina. I just need your help to fill in the

details. And believe me there are some serious

agricultural experts on this conference. We do have

the ability to do this, but do we have the desire and

the gall to see it through?

 

Thank you.

 

Mark

 

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