Guest guest Posted February 28, 2002 Report Share Posted February 28, 2002 I have 2 bulls (one year old and the other 6 months) and 3 cows. I am finding it hard to manage the one year old because he always wants to play circling around me as if to lift me. When he comes close, he backs off. Iam afraid of the day when he won't back off.Can any om help me with any suggestions. Thank you. Sankar Sastri --- "Syamasundara (das) (Bhaktivedanta Manor - UK)" <Syamasundara (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote: > Dear Prabhu's, > > I have just made a comparison of gender of calf in > relationship to > Artificial Insemination or real bull. The results > are as follows: > > Artificial insemination. 9 bulls 10 cows out of 19 > inseminations > > Real Bull. 4 cows 6 bulls out of 10 impregnations. > Of the last 7 calves born > from our own young bulls only one has been a cow. Of > the 10 impregnations 3 > of them were in cows that we bought already pregnant > and they all had cows. > > Does anyone have any further experience to share > with us on this point. > > I was wondering if the large percentage of bulls > over cows when we use one > of our young bulls to impregnate (before we castrate > at 1 year) is a result > of a bull giving all its passion to one cow. The > calves born from cows > impregnated before we bought them were from large > herds and thus the bull > had many cows to assist. > > It is interesting because in a letter from Srila > Prabhupada he mentions > about Artificial insemination in that we should use > a real bull because when > the male semen is stronger the offspring will be a > bull. From this we can > gauge the ideal scenario of wanting bull calves more > than cow calves. > > Does any one esle have experience of using bulls on > low numbers of cows and > what the gender of the offsping were? > > ys syam Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2002 Report Share Posted February 28, 2002 Dear Madhava Gosh Prabhu, PAMHO AGTSP The Manor is currently on a 3 cow per year breeding policy. The calves are not tied into an edowment policy as you suggest however the breeding policy reflects the umber of cows the Manor can afford to maintain from donations and internal sales. We have considered a bull a some point but for the reasons you have mentioned have not actually done so. Were It has been mentioned about using a bull at the Manor this means we use one of our young bulls before we castrate him. We castrate at one year old and thus we can use him between 7 months and 1 year, within limitations as they cannot reach all the cows and neither will some of the cows stand for them. Thank you for the practical experience and advise about not reading too much into the last 7 births. In one reference book I have it mentions that the general breeding balance is 50 cows to 54 bulls which your experience seams to support. ys syam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2002 Report Share Posted February 28, 2002 > > Real Bull. 4 cows 6 bulls out of 10 impregnations. Of the last 7 calves born > from our own young bulls only one has been a cow. Of the 10 impregnations 3 > of them were in cows that we bought already pregnant and they all had cows. > Sounds like a lot of calves. All endowed? 7 calves is not statistically significant. There may be some slight bias toward one sex or the other in larger samples, but you can't make conclusions from a sample as small as 7. When I was a kid, we had about 50 calves a year, all from bulls, and it was so close to 50-50 as to be unnoticeable any difference. An odd year now and then it might be a little off, but over the years not. We ran 2 bulls with 50 cows, so I doubt one bull with 7 cows would deplete his passion :-). One bull was actually considered adequate for 50 cows, but since we wanted all the calves to drop within the same month, a second bull was insurance policy in case there happened to be a particularly busy day, with a high number of cows in heat at once. The problem with keeping real bulls for a small scale operation is that after 2 or 3 years, their daughters will be coming into the breeding pool. On a larger scale, you can replace one bull every year, thus rotating the bulls amongst a large pool of breeding operations. Until the devotees have large numbers of farms where bulls can be rotated between them, my suggestion is to use AI. The real bull is an ideal, but not nearly practical until the devotees stop clinging to the concept of being an elite and tiny minority, and actually start getting real about expanding the society to include as many as possible. You can only breed so many times in a small operation with a real bull, and they are a high maintenance item to keep around. AI is much more practical, or at minimum, have a neighbor's bull bred the devotee cows if the real bull scenario is important and there are suitable bulls within hauling distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2002 Report Share Posted February 28, 2002 > I have 2 bulls (one year old and the other 6 months) > and 3 cows. I am finding it hard to manage the one > year old because he always wants to play circling > around me as if to lift me. When he comes close, he > backs off. Iam afraid of the day when he won't back > off.Can any om help me with any suggestions. Thank > you. Sankar Sastri Castration. Bulls can't be controlled, they can only be contained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2002 Report Share Posted February 28, 2002 > > The calves are not tied into an edowment policy as you suggest however the > breeding policy reflects the umber of cows the Manor can afford to maintain > from donations and internal sales. I would strongly urge you to consider instituting some sort of endowment. In large projects like the Manor, there are any number of mechanisms by which cash flow can be suddenly restricted. Gurukuli suits and scandals, governments are currently beign given much more latitude to classify organizations as terrorist or as supporting terrorists and then freezing bank accounts, orchestrated takeovers by groups of alienated devotees self righteously flying the banner of another philosophy or charismatic leader (none of the currently active ones have shown the least bit of interest in cow protection I might point out), you get the picture. To even take a small percentage of income and start setting it aside, creates a buffer. 1% a year, in 20 years 20% of your needed income is covered. Plus, by having a capital gifts program in place, large donations that might not otherwise have been forthcoming, may manifest. I understand that usually ISKCON leaders see cow protection as competing with funds for their own agendas, but if ISKCON wants to flourish, really flourish, not ISKCON World Review hype flourish, things have got to change. > > We have considered a bull a some point but for the reasons you have > mentioned have not actually done so. Were It has been mentioned about using > a bull at the Manor this means we use one of our young bulls before we > castrate him. We castrate at one year old and thus we can use him between 7 > months and 1 year, within limitations as they cannot reach all the cows and > neither will some of the cows stand for them. Use of a bull that young may be somewhat of a factor. > > In one reference book I have it mentions that the general breeding balance > is 50 cows to 54 bulls which your experience seams to support. I am sure it may matter which breed, as far as that goes. Beef breeders desiring more bull calves, over the centuries they may have been able to select to a small degree, whereas a dairyman might have selected for cows. Just guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2002 Report Share Posted February 28, 2002 Very sound advise. The point that a capital gifts program can actually increase the likelihood of substantial gfts is a good one. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi Mark Middle Mountain wrote: > > > > The calves are not tied into an edowment policy as you suggest however the > > breeding policy reflects the umber of cows the Manor can afford to > maintain > > from donations and internal sales. > > I would strongly urge you to consider instituting some sort of endowment. > In large projects like the Manor, there are any number of mechanisms by > which cash flow can be suddenly restricted. Gurukuli suits and scandals, > governments are currently beign given much more latitude to classify > organizations as terrorist or as supporting terrorists and then freezing > bank accounts, orchestrated takeovers by groups of alienated devotees self > righteously flying the banner of another philosophy or charismatic leader > (none of the currently active ones have shown the least bit of interest in > cow protection I might point out), you get the picture. > > To even take a small percentage of income and start setting it aside, > creates a buffer. 1% a year, in 20 years 20% of your needed income is > covered. Plus, by having a capital gifts program in place, large > donations that might not otherwise have been forthcoming, may manifest. I > understand that usually ISKCON leaders see cow protection as competing with > funds for their own agendas, but if ISKCON wants to flourish, really > flourish, not ISKCON World Review hype flourish, things have got to > change. > > > > > We have considered a bull a some point but for the reasons you have > > mentioned have not actually done so. Were It has been mentioned about > using > > a bull at the Manor this means we use one of our young bulls before we > > castrate him. We castrate at one year old and thus we can use him between > 7 > > months and 1 year, within limitations as they cannot reach all the cows > and > > neither will some of the cows stand for them. > > Use of a bull that young may be somewhat of a factor. > > > > > In one reference book I have it mentions that the general breeding balance > > is 50 cows to 54 bulls which your experience seams to support. > > I am sure it may matter which breed, as far as that goes. Beef breeders > desiring more bull calves, over the centuries they may have been able to > select to a small degree, whereas a dairyman might have selected for cows. > Just guessing. -- Noma Petroff Academic Department Coordinator BOWDOIN COLLEGE Department of Theater & Dance 9100 College Station Brunswick ME 04011-8491 Phone: (207) 725-3663 FAX: (207) 725-3372 http://academic.bowdoin.edu/theaterdance/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2002 Report Share Posted February 28, 2002 > > To even take a small percentage of income and start setting it aside, > creates a buffer. 1% a year, in 20 years 20% of your needed income is > covered I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that. That is terrible math. Still, the idea is that without starting, nothing can be accomplished, so even a little start, like a sparrow throwing grains of sand in the ocean, can lead to glorious ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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