Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 "But can our farms maintain them and their families or pay them a salary so that they can pay their bills? Or should they rather start their own farm and maintain themselfs and chant Hare Krsna, in the area where there are already devotee farms? " According to Srila Prabhupada's perfect instructions, the answer is clearly, without ambiguity, both. Devotees should maintain themselves, living simply, growing all their necessities, on the ISKCON farms that Srila Prabhupada provided us for this purpose, without dependence on the artificial technology e.g. tractors, but replacing it with cow- and- bull technology. "The bulls should have helped in spite of...instead of that machine (referring to a tractor, already purchased). To start one's own farm? A costly investment. Where is self-sufficiency and time to chant, when one has to pay back a hefty loan. Profit will have to be there, and with a need for profit, and having only one's own labour, one will be pressured into using labour-saving things like tractors, then what is achieved by the whole endeavour? Why not have on Srila Prabhupada's farms, the instructions that Srila Prabhupada gave for the farms, carried out? Personally, being a mother, I just couldn't see simple living working without a community, because of kids and the "param drstva" principle. Kids want fun, and their only going to give up their addiction to technology, if they get a higher taste, and get fun the way kids used to in the olden days- playing with other kids. Actually, if you give them the choice, they'd rather go out and play with kids their own age- well that's only possible in a community. Us adults also need company. Having isolated families puts pressure on marital relationships, due to not having an outlet for revealing the problems one is having with one's partner and it makes it more difficult to easily find help/sympathy/advice when one is in dire personal difficulty. It is not the varnasrama idea at all- to have a separate farm for each family, but rather a village, with common grazing area for the animals, and combining a variety of skills necessary for self-sufficiency (from education to weaving cloth)- rather than trying to do all that oneself- what pressure! Varnasrama means utilizing one's natural talents in service to Krsna- but if one has to be in all 4 varnas at the same time...!!! It is also necessary for Krsna consciousness to get an opportunity to come together with devotees, serve them and hear about Krsna. Of course, you mentioned "in an area where there are devotee farms", but if you only have bullocks for transport, and especially if you are unable to get adjacent land, it makes it VERY difficult to come togetther, at least on a regular basis. Then there's still all the problems mentioned above. "A Krsna conscious community which can expand into a devotee village where there is much land around would be indeed a good idea, but just to have a farm and invite people to move to this farm, where nothing belongs to them, is this realistic to atract someone with his family to live there?" The understanding of varnasrama, is that Krsna is the Supreme Proprietor, and the king is His representative. The vaisyas are given land by the king, which is theirs and cannot be taken back, provided they supply the king with a percentage of their produce. They also have their own animals which they utilize to supply all their necessities. In return, the king or chief administrator, protects their rights, helps them in difficulty (e.g. the crops fail), arranges training for newcomers, supplies them with necessary amenities- not that he just hordes the profit, and he should treat the citizens (or in this case villagers) as he would his own children. By this system, the vaisya gets the advantage of no loan repayments, gets security, his own land and animals, training and amenities e.g. a gurukula, where of course reading and writing is not as important as learning a trade- so no unemployed youth and all its problems like drug abuse, and a healthy way of life with plenty of opportunity for social interaction. What family in its right mind would NOT be attracted??? YS, Niscala ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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