Guest guest Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 I received 380 back dated emails the other day. No problem there, it made good reading, and it made me realise in what stage is the conference I have entered. But first, I would like to introduce myself, even though I have been on the conference for a few weeks now. After private emails with Chayadevi I realise I put my foot in it in many ways. It is also true that I was placed on this conference by her, without any introduction, on the strength of the discussion document I have mailed to you all. Knowing full well the effects it would have I feel it was not entirely responsible for this to happen without an introduction, as I approach our issue from a very different angle to many of you. Regardlessly, I am very happy to be here and I hope things will work out. My name is Mark Chatburn, I am from the rural heart of England, and after being a brahmacari in ISKCON in Israel and the US in 1988&9, I left and spent a few years living in rainbow hippy communities working with cows, horses, etc. Finding the liberal nature of the communities to be excessive I moved on to do a degree in Agroforestry. My final year thesis was on what would be the land use effects of a 10%, and increasing, UK vegetarian population. I had contacted the main US ISKCON cow protection devotees many times, but got blown out as my approach was secular and commercial. I have worked closely with Syamasundra dasa and Rhada Krsna dasa at Bhaktivedanta Manor. I am now working closely with Hanuman Prasek Swami, who has seriously taken to my approach. During my time working oxen and milking cows at the Manor, I found that ISKCON was so pent up on debating philosophical nuances that it could never focus on the nuts and bolts of an economic farming system - so I took to working on this with a passion that can only be described as devotional. I have now presented you my findings. They are in a secular format, which can be appealing to us all. After reading so many of the past emails I would like to say that I believe I have mechanistic answers to the problems that have been put forward. As with most mechanistic solutions they are based on inputs, processes and outputs, following an input/output/activity-based cost/benefit analysis. Any business must do this to start with to assess the mathematics of the system and its viability as a system. I say this with the most modesty I can muster, but it seems so clear to me that with ISKCON although the vision is there, the methods to obtain it are very murky and polemic. That is why I am presenting a business structure to focus on the actual implementation of a viable system. I know devotees and know they will do very little unless they have a philosphical vision to back up their activities, that is why I have gone no further in asking for the costings I am after until a consensus can be reached on what I am proposing. I would be very happy if people would read my discussion document and come to a consensus about it's workings. I believe if a mechanistic platform can be reached then the non-mechanistic will have more chances to function. Yours in the best of faith, Mark. Get personalized email addresses from Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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