Guest guest Posted August 23, 1999 Report Share Posted August 23, 1999 Here's the quotes for the "killing" entry, by Gopinatha Acarya, that we were supposed to have put in with the same entry but maybe its Krsna's arrangement, because in the meantime he found another quote, probably the best, in terms of relevance. Its at the end. YS, Niscala 1) 770628r2.vrn Vol34 P.89:Prabhupada: ...man and woman happy, and in happiness, in peace of mind, make progress, spiritual life. That is the Vedic civilization. The guide is there, brahmana. The protection is there, kñatriya. The food is there, vaiçya. And labor is there, çüdra. Combine together, live very happily, peacefully, in the society. You'll find still. The aim is how to realize God. Village to village, you'll find temples. <p> (2) 770410r2.bom Vol 32 P.169: Prabhupada: Yes, yes. In the body there is caste system. The head is the brahmana, the hand is the kñatriya, the belly is the vaiçya and the leg is the sudra. Everything head, that will not help. There must be leg also. But it must be conducted under the guidance of the head. Then it is all right. If the head is not there and leg is utilized for jumping, that is monkey's business. The leg must work according to the dictation of the head. The hand must work according to the dictation of the head. "The caste system should be abolished." What is the caste system? There is no caste system. Everyone is sudra. Who is a brahmana now, qualified, except one or two in our camp? (3) 760814mw.bom Vol26 P.21:But actual food is anna, food grains. (4) 770108r2.bom Vol 29 P.63:...take agriculture, you must keep cows. Both of them are related. Giriräja: Together. Prabhupada: The cow will be subsisting on the grass, and refused things he'll take. And the substance you take. And even if does not give milk, the stool is useful. And you get food grown by the cows and bulls and milk. You subsist. So by mutual cooperation you subsist. You save time. Chant Hare Krsna. Why you are bothered? +Giriräja: No bother. Prabhupäda: This I want to introduce. ..vrn Vol 34 P.293: Actually we enjoyed life in our childhood. Although we were not very nicely dressed and not very comfortable, the so-called comfortable. We could sleep anywhere. We did not require any nice dress or nice food. My mother used to prepare very nice food. We were glad in that way. Nice parata, nice vegetable, äcära, so many things she used to prepare. Always preparing some food. Puffed rice. Tamäla Krsna: She was cooking with ghee? Prabhupada: Yes. Our family with ghee. Some fried. That is used, oil. Tamäla Krsna: Fried portal. Prabhupada:Ghee and oil, both were used. Where is that happiness gone? Tamäla Krsna: No one's happy nowadays. Prabhupada: Therefore there is struggle. Communist, this, that. Tamäla Krsna: Actually you still see a little bit of that happiness in smaller towns. Prabhupada: No, in the village. They have got enough milk, grains. Is it not? Grämete dudha dhana cala ekhana nai, gatas paya.(?) Eh? Fruit. They import. They make them poverty-stricken. If the villagers do not sell, ample fruit. But these townsmen, they go there, pay them, and out of greediness they sell their own food only for money. (6) Lob9:Trade is meant only for transporting surplus produce to places where the produce is scanty. But when traders become too greedy and materialistic they take to large-scale commerce and industry and allure the poor agriculturalist to unsanitary industrial towns with a false hope of earning more money. The industrialist and the capitalist do not want the farmer to remain at home, satisfied with his agricultural produce. When the farmers are satisfied by a luxuriant growth of food grains, the capitalist becomes gloomy at heart. But the real fact is that humanity must depend on agriculture and subsist on agricultural produce. No one can produce rice and wheat in big iron factories. The industrialist goes to the villagers to purchase the food grains he is unable to produce in his factory. The poor agriculturalist takes advances from the capitalist and sells his produce at a lower price. Hence when food grains are produced abundantly the farmers become financially stronger, and thus the capitalist becomes morose at being unable to exploit them. (7) S.B 9.11.5 P:The kings always kept a large quantity of food grains in stock, and whenever there was any scarcity of grains, they would distribute grains in charity. (8) 761209rc.hyd Vol27 P.304:Prabhupada: So in order to release ourself from the sinful reaction of sinful activity, we must perform yajïa. And in this age the easiest process of yajïa is saìkértana-yajïa (long pause) (9) 760917rc.vrn Vol 27 P. 68: tataù parékñid dvija-varya-çikñayä mahéà mahä-bhägavataù çaçäsa ha yathä hi sütyäm abhijäta-kovidäù samädiçan vipra mahad-guëas tathä Each verse is a song. I wanted our students should do that. Hari-Sauri: To learn how to sing them nicely. To learn how to sing them? Prabhupada: Yes. I can give them the tune. (chants first line of another verse) (break) ...ghnantaà go-mithunaà padä. This is Kali-yuga's king. Nåpa-liìga. Dressed like king. (10) S.B. 7.5.31 TRANS.: Persons who are strongly entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is to return home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Visnu. As blind men guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, (11) Therefore ksatriyas are allowed to go in the forest and kill some animal. Because he has to practice. So what kind of animal? Not the cows or simple animal. He must kill one tiger, one lion, one jungle boar. Ferocious, very ferocious animals, That was the kñatriya's business. Not that a rabbit (laughter) or an innocent bird, sports. This kind of sporting was not allowed. If you want to kill, you must kill one rhinoceros. Then one can understand that you have power of killing. That ksatriya used to do. Even, say, twenty-five years ago, Mahäräja of Jaipur, he used to go into the forest every year and he would fight with a tiger, simply with a sword, simply with a sword. He would fight with a tiger in the jungle, and he was so expert, he would kill. And then the tiger would be brought in procession, in royal procession. Because the king used to say, "This tiger is the king of forest, or the lion is the king of the forest. I am also king. So after his death, there must be a royal reception." So this was, the function was going on. So ksatriya means they used to kill, practice. Unless they practice, how they can kill? And now our president, they practice only smoking, (laughter) that's all. That's all. And when there is fight, he is in the chamber, safety chamber, and others are, the poor boys, they are called by the draft board, and go and fight. This is not ksatriya, These are çüdras. Ksatriya, when there is fight, the king must come forward first. The other party's king also. The king will fight with king, and the soldiers will fight soldiers according to position. And when the king is killed, then victory is owned. It doesn't require that all the soldiers were killed. No. 730508SB.LA LECT: So there are many... This is actually Vedic culture. You will find all this from Mahäbhärata. Bhägavata also, we are trying to explain as far as possible. The brähmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra, this is natural division. So for fighting, ksatriya. In India, because still there are some kñatriyas, there is no such draft board. The ksatriya class, they would come forward to be recruited by the military department. They will not go away. They will be very glad to accept military service, because in their blood the kñatriya spirit is there. In India there is no scarcity to find out a fighter. But when people are trained as südra, how he can fight? Therefore it is very scientific. Cätur-varnyam mayam srstam guna-karma-vibhägasa. The society must be divided. There is division already, natural. We have to simply pick out, that "This boy is brähmana, this boy is ksatriya, this boy is vaisya, and this boy is sudra." So they should be given separate employment. Then there will be peace. If a person is employed according to his natural tendency, he becomes successful, he becomes successful. But if you give some employment, just like to put a cart before a horse, like that, no, that will not be successful. Therefore Krsna says that... You can say that "There is no need of ksatriya; let there be all sudras." No, then there will be social scandal. Everything must be there. The brähmaëa must be there, the ksatriya must be there, the vaisyas must be there and the sudras must be there, and the state should look that these things are observed scientifically and they are being educated in that way. That is king's business. He must see that the ksatriyas, those who are ksatriya spirited, they are being trained up as ksatriya. The brähmanas are being trained up as brähmana. Everything is required. Just like in your body, all the four divisions... Just like head, that is brähmana; the arms, that is ksatriya; the belly, that is vaisya; and the legs, they are sudra. So as much as the head is required, so much the legs are also required. You cannot say, "One class will do." No. But the modern tendency is one class of men. And therefore therefore there is confusion. There must be four classes. That is scientific. So our Krsna consciousness movement is trying to educate some brähmaëas. If the society take our help and conduct the business of the society--ksatriya, vaisya, sudra--then there will be peace and prosperity. Otherwise there will be chaos and confusion. Thank you very much. (end) <p> (12) 740619mw.ger Vol10 P.186:Prabhupäda: See the tiger has got its nails and teeth and jaw. So there was no firearm. He will challenge the tiger with a..., and he will take a sword and kill him. And then the tiger would be brought in procession, giving all honor, military honor. Hamsadüta: To the tiger. Prabhupada: That was the ksatriya's practice, how to combat his enemies. Fighting should be on the equal level, not that "I take all shelter, and you are open to be killed by enemy." (break) (13) 750803cc.det Vol15 P.265:Prabhupäda: Yes, face to face. Yes. Where there is tiger, a ksatriya, would meet him with a sword. That's all. "Come on. You attack and be killed." Even twenty years before, the king of Jaipur, every year he should go in the forest and kill one tiger personally. And the dead tiger will be brought in procession. He'd be given... Just like a prince or king dies--his body is taken in procession--tiger would be brought that way. Both of them, ksatriyas... So the tiger should be given the honor of a prince. <p> (14) 751028mw.nai Vol16 P.362, 368: Jïäna: How may we best expand our movement into the rural areas or into the country areas? Prabhupäda: So, Brahmänanda, explain our scheme. Harikesa: Explain our scheme. Cyavana: About the rural development village program. Brahmänanda: Of making the men self-sufficient in cloth, foodstuffs, milk products, grains. Cyavana: There's a map. (break) Jnana: ...program like the Christians. Prabhupäda: Explain how to... Explain. Brahmänanda: Of having a... Encouraging the people to..., first by having kértana and prasädam. (break) Prabhupäda: This is the process. Some how or other, they should join, "Hare Krsna, Hare..." Then everything... It is not very difficult. Simply induce them to chant. That will make everything success. Jnana: ...to attain the necessary finances to support the programs here. Prabhupada: Beg. Sell book. That's all. Otherwise how you get finance? Jnana: One idea is to have a farm that we sell fruit or vegetables, like that. Prabhupäda: If you open farm for financial help, then it will not be successful. You should take to farming for supporting yourself. That's all. Grow your own food. Grow your own cloth. There is no need of financial help from outside. You get your food grains sufficiently, rice, dahl, wheat, vegetables, milk, sugar. Bas You get everything. From these five, six items you should be economically free. That you have to do, not for trade to get money. Then it will be failure Indian lady (3): Can we purchase the house for our own staying? Prabhupäda: Yes. Because this is necessary. You must have some shelter; you must eat; you must cover. That is necessary. So you do it. Grow food first of all to feed yourself sumptuously. You must get strength, and that is needed. But not for trade. The policy should be that you should be self-sufficient and save time for advancing in Kåñëa consciousness. That is wanted. Yavad-ärtha prayojanam. Yuktähära-vihärasya yogo bhavati siddhi-daù. You shall eat whatever you require for proper upkeep of the body, not eating too much and sleeping whole day. Don't do that. Eat only what is absolutely necessary. Then you'll never be in want. People are engaged in material civilization means they are increasing the bodily demands, unnecessary. Just like this park. Why we have come to this park? We like this atmosphere. So similarly, in villages, everyone, if he has got some land, he can live simply without any gorgeous building. What is the use? Just have a cottage and have garden. You'll live very peacefully. But they're constructing big, big skyscraper building in the downtown, and they will have to come here by car for some peace of mind, and in the meantime, accident, police. This is the civilization, nonsense civilization. At weekend they will go to the village, country, and during the week-time they will work hard. This is their civilization, with the risk of life, running motor car eighty miles' speed. Every moment there is risk. What is this civilization? Most ludicrous civilization. So farming means if you live in a farm... Just like in New Vrindaban they are doing. Produce your own food, live peacefully, fresh vegetable, fresh grains, fresh milk, and prepare so many nice milk preparation, kachori, halavä with ghee. Offer to the Deity. Eat sufficiently. What is the use of going outside? Simple life and chant Hare Krsna. If you can organize that, that will be very nice. Jïäna: A nice program here. Prabhupäda: Yes. What is this rascal civilization, whole day "Where is money? Where is money? Where is money? Where is money? Where is money?" Everyone. Busy means "Where is money? Where is money?" Just like the hog, he is busy: "What time...? Where is stool? Where is stool? Where is stool? Where is stool? Where is stool?" That is not civilization. If you remain always busy, "Where is stool?" like the hog, then what is your civilization? Whole day working, night, nightshift, dayshift, whole day, the same, like hog. Brahmänanda: They hold more than one job. They have two jobs. Prabhupäda: Yes. Get money and then drink wine and eat meat and do all nonsense things. This is their civilization. Jnana: A farm means also we may engage the people because they are not so... Prabhupäda: First of all be engaged yourself. Then they will see the example and they'll join. Just like in our New Vrindaban. Other men from other farms, they are coming, and they are offered this milk preparation, burfi, sandesa, rasagullä, rabri, so many, halavä. They become: "Oh, so many nice things can be prepared from milk?" They do not know, uncivilized. Cut the animal and eat. A most crude civilization. When people were not civilized, they used to do that. Civilization means you know, you must know how to live very nicely. That is civilization. But they do not know even that. (15) (16) 730515mw.la Vol 4 P.158: Prabhupäda: Yes. So who can be perfect lover than Krsna? Krsna, He loves everyone. Where is that man, he loves everyone? The so-called patriot, they love their countrymen, but kill their animals. Why? Mr. Nixon loves his countrymen. Why not love his country cows? They are also born in the land. They require also. They have right to live, so why they are killed? That is imperfection. And Krsna is embracing the calf, come on, and embracing Rädhäräëé also. That is perfection. That is perfection. Krsna talks with birds. These are there. One day on the bank of Yamunä He was talking with a bird. One old lady saw and said, "Oh, He's talking with a bird?" That is perfection. (17) 770202mw.bhu Vol30 P.297: And in Vedic civilization, animal is being attempted to be killed--"Oh! Who are you?Kali-yuga.Get out!" This is räja, king. And there is nobody to protest. So many animals are being killed. This is Kali-yuga. Why? "They are my subject. You cannot touch." Krsna is embracing gopis and the calves also, not that He has selected only gopis to be embraced. Sarva-yonisu kaunteya. "Anyone who loves Me... Loves or not, I am protecting." Eko yo bahünam vidadhäti kämän. He's giving protection to everyone. And if he is a devotee, a special protection. This is God, and government means God's representative, God's, not people's representative. Government does not mean people's representative. Government means God's representative. That is government. Räjarsi. Imam räjarsayo vidum. Bhagavad-gitä is not meant for the loafer class. It is meant for the räjarsi. Unless the kings and big, big stalwart leaders understand this science, how they will lead? Because these leaders, they do not understand Bhagavad-gétä, they make their own plan. Therefore so much catastrophe, chaotic condition. It is meant for the räjarsi. Big, big government officer, big, big kings, presidents, ministers. They should understand it. And government is making law, "No Bhagavad-gitä in the school, college," because they do not know the value. (break) (18) 760708ed.wdc V0l 23 P.269:And in His practical life He played as a cowherd boy giving protection to other cows. There is a picture, Krsna is sitting, and the cow and the calf is feeling very safety. Krsna is embracing. So because we want to be Krsna conscious, we want to follow His personal behavior and instruction.<p> <p> (19) S.B. 7.14 29 TRANSLATION:Similarly, places outside India where there are centers of the Krsna consciousness movement and where Rädhä-Krsna Deities are worshiped must all be visited and worshiped by those who want to be spiritually advanced. One who intends to advance in spiritual life may visit all these places and perform ritualistic ceremonies to get results a thousand times better than the results of the same activities performed in any other place. <p> PURPORT In these verses and in verse twenty-nine, stress is given to one point: harer arcäçritäç ca ye or harer arcä. In other words, any place where the Deity of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is worshiped by devotees is most significant. The Krsna consciousness movement is giving the population of the entire world a chance to take advantage of Krsna consciousness through the ISKCON centers, where one may perform Deity worship and chant the Hare Krsna mahä-mantra and in this way obtain results with effectiveness increased a thousand times. This constitutes the best welfare activity for human society. This was Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu's mission as it was predicted by Him in the Caitanya-bhägavata <p> (21) LECT vrn: Everywhere. Everywhere is Vrndävana. Wherever there is Krsna's temple, Krsna's sankirtana, that is Vrndävana. Caitanya Mahäprabhu said that "My mind is always Vrndävana." Because He's always thinking of Krsna. Krsna is there--He's Krsna Himself--just to teach us. So similarly, anywhere you live, if you are actually follower of the instruction of Krsna, as Krsna says, man-manä bhava mad-bhakto mad-yäji mäm namaskuru, then that is Vrndävana. Wherever you live. Do not think that "Because in Melbourne we have got a temple, the Melbourne Deities are here, so that is not Vrndävana." That is also Vrndävana. If you worship the Deity very rigidly, follow the rules and regulations, so wherever you do, that is Vrndävana. <p> (22)LECT 760817cc.hyd:So Krsna-lilä is going on in the spiritual world, but by Krsna's desire that spiritual world also comes down in this material world. Just like a big man, he lives in his palace, but if he likes he can go anywhere, and he has the same facility of his palace by arrangement. Similarly, when Krsna comes within this material world, He has all the paraphernalia of his Goloka Vrndävana lilä. As such this Vrndävana is as good as the original Vrndävana. <i>Ärädhyo bhagavän vrajeça, tanaya tad-dhämaà våndävanam. This Vrndävana is not ordinary place; it is the same Goloka Vrndävana. By Krsna's omnipotency the same Vrndävana is duplicated. It is possible. That is called nitya-lilä. Wherever He likes, He can bring in Våndävana and He can have His pastimes. So this temple, do not think that it is Hyderabad place. No. It is Goloka Vrndävana. You should be very careful. <i>Ärädhyo bhagavän vrajeça, tanaya tad-dhämaà våndävanam.</i> As Krsna is worshipable, similarly His place is also worshipable. Not that His place is different from Him. No. <p> (23)760120mw.mayVol 18 P.258:Prabhupäda: Hm. Jaya. He is also. (break) Vedic conception is that the birds and beasts, they should not be driven away. Let them eat as much as it like. They must eat also. Tamäla Krsna: So we shouldn't do that in our field? Prabhupäda: Yes. That is the Vedic. Jayapatäkä: Then we won't have anything to eat. Prabhupäda: No, you produce more. Jayapatäkä: What ha... In the... Because now this field is the only field that is ripening, so that if he doesn't scare the bird away, all the bird will come and eat his field. When all the wheat is ripening at the same time, then nobody cares. They let the birds eat. But if one man only is growing one crop at one time, then all the birds come. They will clean out and they all get... Prabhupäda: No, therefore everyone should grow seasonal grains. Everyone should take wheat. <p> (24) 740605r2.gen Vol9 P.304:Prabhupäda: But first of all you take your Bible. You are ordered not to kill. Why you are killing? Then go to Bhagavad-gétä. When there is aggression you have the right to kill but not unnecessarily you can kill. Suppose a tiger attacks you; you can kill. But you cannot go in the forest and kill the tiger. That is sinful. <p> (25) 750827mw.vrnVol 15 P.338:French devotee (2): If a devotee step on the ant, does the ant receive some benefit? Prabhupäda: Hm? French devotee (2): If a devotee step on a ant by mistake, the ant... Prabhupäda: You should be careful. Why should you commit mistake? But if unconsciously, by mistake it is done, that is another thing. (26) 751004mw.mau Vol 16 P.96:Pusta Krsna: Prabhupäda, if every moment we are killing in breathing and walking and doing so many things, and then it says, "Thou shalt not kill," so then hasn't God given us an instruction which is impossible? Prabhupäda: No. Conscientiously you should not. But unconsciously, if you do, that is excused. <p> (27) 760708ed.wdc Vol23 P.270:Guest (1): Prabhupäda? For every animal except the cow, you said, like a..., does a person have to pay off a one-to-one ratio for the animal killed? He just has to come back one time for, like, killing a goat? Is it just one time then, instead of many times? Prabhupäda: Hm? Pusta Krsna: His question is that is there some formula, that if you kill one animal or one thing then you get killed in the exact same ratio? You kill one thing, you get killed once. So in other words, if you are responsible for killing hundreds and hundreds of animals throughout your lifetime, does one have to take birth hundreds and hundreds of times and be killed? Prabhupäda: Yes. For killing, you cannot kill even vegetable. (28) 760625SB.NV So we have got everything in writing, in books, in instructions. Our duty is to take them rightly and utilize it properly, advance in Krsna consciousness. Sneha-päçair. Otherwise we shall be on a platform of false love. The platform of false love we know: today one pair is married, but because the love is on the false platform, the next day there is divorce. That is not love. That kind of love has no meaning, that kind of affection has no meaning. It is simply bondage. So try to... Our aim is how to become free from this material bondage and real sneha, real affection, real love should be spread. And that can be done through Krsna consciousness. Otherwise, it is all false. Sneha-päçair dåòhair baddham utsaheta. This mäyä is so strong that we are taking this false thing as reality. It is very difficult to give it up. That is explained by Krsna: daivi hy esä guna-mayi mama mäyä duratyayä mäm eva ye prapadyante mäyäm etäm taranti te <p> This is the only meaning. If we become pure devotee of Krsna, then my love will be extended to everyone. Not only my society, but to everyone. It is not that "This is my children, that is other's children." All children. All human being. Not my countrymen--all other countrymen. Not only human beings, but even animals also. That is sneha. It is not that "I am safe, and let the animals be killed in the slaughterhouse." No, that is not love. Love means for everyone. Samaù sarvesu bhütesu. Equality to all living entities. That is real love. That is real concern, Krsna consciousness. A lover of Krsna will hesitate to kill even one ant. You know the story, Mrgrari. That is love. Because one has got... Just like this child. If I like I can kill him, there is no difficulty. But does it mean that I shall kill him? No. Similarly, a small ant, anyone can kill. No. Here is a living entity, part and parcel of Krsna. Samaù sarvesu--he should not be unnecessarily killed. We should be careful, not that "Trample over the ants and let them be killed." No, everything should be carefully done. Of course, we cannot stop this, but we should be careful, and if it is done, then if we remain Krsna conscious, Krsna will excuse. <i>Yajïärthe karmano 'nyatra. Therefore the business should be, if we walk at all, we shall walk for Krsna. Then if some ant is killed--not knowingly, unknowingly--then we are untouched by these sinful activities. Otherwise, we are immediately noted down, "Here is a man, he has killed, he has..." The nature's law is so minute. Every minute, the account is there. But if you remain in the business of Kåñëa consciousness, then there is excuse. Otherwise, everyone is become obliged. If I take from you one cent, I have to pay you with four cents, with interest, compound interest. This is the law of karma. We are... Just like taking money from others. Unless we spend it for Krsna, then we shall be obliged to return. <p> (29) 770428r2.bom Vol33 P.70:Bhagavad-gitä. And they are taking Bhagavad-gitä for solving these problems. That's all. Ants' struggle. Violence, nonviolence and... So such big, big rascals are guiding us. What benefit they have given? And they are praised. Sva-vid-varähostra-kharaih samstuta.. He's an animal, and he's praised by some small animals. That's all. This is their position. They are not actual leader. They are animals, but because we are small animals, we are praising. So it is very difficult to understand our philosophy, but still, we have to preach. That is our mission. A little drop, maybe like a film or less than that... Still, they are... And again, when you cleanse this, you kill them--you become implicated. You have killed. You have to suffer. They are disturbing; still, you cannot kill them. This is your position. But people are with Flit (a bug killer) killing thousands of mosquitoes and flies, becoming implicated. <p> (30) 760628 bj.nv Vol22 P.314:You are very good, you are following your religious principle very strictly, adherently. That's all right. But what about your love of God? "Oh, that I do not know." So sastra says, srama eva hi... It is simply waste of time, and simply laboring. That's all. If you have not learned to love God, then what is the meaning of your religion? Then, when you're actually on the platform of love of God, you understand your relationship with God, that "I am part and parcel of God. Not only I am part and parcel of God, this dog is also part and parcel of.... Every living entity." Then you'll extend love for animal also. If you actually love God, then your love for insect also is there because you understand that "This insect, it has got a different body only, but he is also part and parcel, or my brother." Samaù sarvesu bhütesu. <p> (31) 7750623mw.la Vol14 P.73:Our endeavor is just to become a dog of a Vaiñëava, not to become an animal like lion. We remain a dog, but of a Vaisnava. And we refuse to become a big animal like lion. This is our philosophy. Another song is Bhaktivinoda Thäkura's, janmaobi jadi icchä to hara, kéöa-janma hau jaha das bhakta tuìhara: "I do not know what is my next life. That depends on Your consideration. But if you think that I must take another birth or another many births, it doesn't matter. Only I request You that You make me an insignificant ant in the house of a devotee." Kita-janma hau jaha das tuìhara. This is Vaisnava aspiration, that If become an ant under the protection of a Vaisnava, that is also successful. And I don't want to become a Brahmä who is not a devotee." So this Vaisnava philosophy is very accurate. Therefore this life of a Vaisnava begins with surrender, not the challenge. Sarva-dharmän parityajya mäm ekam saranam vraja. That is Vaiñëava. Christ also said that "Kingdom of God is for the humble and meek." Is it not? <p> (32) 690804lc.laVol 2 P.41:"My dear uncle, what is your religion that you are killing father and mother?Why killing father and mother?Oh, you are killing cow, your mother. You are drinking milk. And oxen, he produces grains for you in the field; so he is your father. The father earns for the children, so he is producing grains. And mother gives milk; so cow is giving milk. So how is your religion that the father mother killing?" Then he could understand that Caitanya is marking on the cow killing by the Mohammedans. Then he said, "Oh, this cow killing is also in your Hindu religion." Then He said, "How is that, Hindu religion cow killing?Oh, there is cow sacrifice." Then He said that cow sacrifice is not like this. Cow sacrifice is giving new life to the old cow. That is cow sacrifi... It is not killing. And because at the present moment the brähmanas are not so qualified that they can give new life, therefore that sacrifice is now forbidden. He cited some verses <p> <p> (33) 750624gc.la Vol14 P.126:Prabhupäda: First of all, try to understand this. Just like Krsna says, mayä tatam idam sarvam: "I am expanded by My energy everywhere." So the everywhere how you can go? You love Krsna, and your love will go everywhere. You pay tax to the government, and the tax is distributed in so many departments. So it is not your business to go every department and pay tax. Pay to the treasury of the government; it will be distributed. This is intelligence. And if you say that "Why shall I pay to the treasury house? I shall pay the this department, that department, that department, that department," you can go on, but it will never be sufficient, neither complete. So you may love humanity, but because you do not love Krsna, therefore you do not love the cows; you send them to slaughterhouse. So your love will remain defective. It will never be complete. And if you love Krsna, then you will love even the small ant. You will be not interested even to kill even an ant. That is real love. Dr. Pore: I agree with you that we love very badly and we slaughter the animals. Prabhupäda: Yes. So badly love is not love. Dr. Pore: But is the converse true, that we chant very well and that we can love Kåñëa even when we cannot love our fellow people? Prabhupäda: Oh, that... We are not... Chanting... We are also working. It is not that we are simply sitting down and chanting. Because we are chanting, therefore we are loving everyone. That is a fact. These Hare Kåñëa chanters, they will never agree to kill any animal, even a plant, because they know everything is part and parcel of God. Why unnecessarily one should be killed? That is love. <p> (34) 740420mw.hyd Vol. 8 P.346:Prabhupäda: First of all, try to understand. A devotee is neither brähmana nor sudra. He may act like a südra, but he is not südra. He may act like a brähmana; he is not brähmana. He is Vaisnava. Just like gopis. The gopis, they are village cowherds women. They are, according to social construction, they are not very high class. They did not belong to the brähmana class. But their worship, method of worship, has been taken the highest. Ramyä käcid upäsanä vrajavadhü-vargena. They were village girls, and practically their character was also not good. Because at dead of night they are going to Krsna. But why they have been taken as the most topmost devotee of Krsna? Because the love was so high class. It is the test, how much one has learned to love Krsna. That is wanted. Apparently he may appear as a brähmaëa, a südra or vaisya. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The only business is to see: sa vai puàsäm paro dharmo yato bhaktir adho... Aiye. Hare Krsna. Jaya. That is wanted. Pancadravida: What if the person cannot chant sixteen rounds a day. He says, "I can't..." Prabhupäda: Then he is not even a human being. He is a rascal. That's all. He is not a human being. What to consider of talking...? Don't talk about him if he cannot chant sixteen rounds. He is not even a human. He is animal. (break) <p> (35)750801rc.no Vol 15 P.252:Prabhupäda: No, no, unless our men are trained up, why you should allow to stay here and to wife. We want trained up men, not third-class picked-up. We want men who will follow the rules and regulations and fully trained up. Otherwise we don't want. We don't want ordinary karmis and... And if he agrees to be trained up, then we'll take. Otherwise what is the use of bringing some useless men? He must agree to produce his own food, and work. Our rules and regulations, he must follow. Then it will be ideal community. Otherwise, if you bring from here and there some men and fill up, that is not good thing. This is a training institution, to become devotee. <p> <p> (36) 740527mw.rom Vol9 P.127:Prabhupäda: No, you engage yourself. If you want book, that book, you copy yourself. Why someone should be engaged for you? You have got enough time. You are not going to the factory or hundred miles for your earning livelihood. You are on the local space. You have got enough time. You just take, copy. That's all. Minimize your unnecessary waste of time. Save time. Chant Hare Krsna. Go back to home. This is our idea. Instead of chanting twenty-five rounds, you chant hundred rounds. That is utilization of proper time. Instead of begetting cats and dogs, you just beget one child, Kåñëa conscious. This is the ideal life. What is the use of using sex life unnecessarily? Therefore only for begetting nice child one should have sex life. This is ideal life. Not that you use sex life, contraceptive method. This is all demonism. But they cannot do without it. Because they have no other engagement, they do not know how nice Krsna is and how pleasurable it is to reciprocate with Krsna, Therefore they go to the dog's pleasure, sex life on the street and there, on the beach. That's all. They have been educated like dogs. Therefore they want it. <p> (37) 760803r3.par Vol 25 P.100: Prabhupäda: Very light. In the morning you can give them this puffed grains, then fruits and milk, very good breakfast. I mean to say all self-dependent. Yes. We should save time, as much for this purpose, for chanting, discussing grantha. Not for any personal so-called comforts. We can sit down anywhere on the grass here, and whatever available we make our food. This is the idea. Life will be sublime. Man-manä bhava mad-bhakto mad-yäji mäm. That is real business. <p> (38)771008r2.vrn Vol.35 P.131:Prabhupäda: No luxuries. Live very simple life and you save time for chanting Hare Krsna. Haàsadüta: Yes, Prabhupäda.<p> Prabhupäda: That is my desire. Don't waste time for bodily comforts. You have got this body. You have to eat something. You have to cover yourself. So produce your own food and produce your own cloth. Don't waste time for luxury, and chant Hare Krsna. This is success of life. In this way organize as far as possible, either in Ceylon or in Czechoslovakia, wherever... Save time. Chant Hare Krsna. Don't be allured by the machine civilization.<p> Haàsadüta: Yes, Prabhupäda. Prabhupäda: This is soul-killing civilization, this kind way of life, especially European countries. Anywhere you can inhabit it. It is not very difficult. A cottage; you can produce your own food anywhere. Am I right? Hamsadüta: Yes, Prabhupäda. We will do it. Prabhupäda: And money, spend for Krsna--for Krsna's palace, for Krsna's temple, for Krsna's worship, gorgeous, as gorgeously as... Not for false... This is the human civilization. And to organize this, varnasrama will help you to divide the society--brähmana, ksatriya, vaisya--as there is division in the body. That will help. Don't waste human form of body for sense gratification. I wanted to introduce this. Now I have given you ideas. You can do it. You are all intelligent. For Caitanya Mahäprabhu's para-upakära... So you do good to others. Not exploit others. Any human being who has been bestowed by this body has the capacity to chant Hare Krsna. Give them chance and make situation favorable. Is that clear?<p> (39)771024rc.vrn Prabhupäda: Chanting is our life.<p> <p> 740611r2.par Vol 10 P.12:Prabhupäda: Yes. Still, if you have got a garden, somebody says, "I want to eat some fruits.Yes, come on. Take as much fruit as you like." But you cannot take it away. Any number of men can come and eat. They even do not prohibit the monkeys. "All right, let him come in. It is God's property." That is the system. That is mentioned in Bhägavata. If the animals like monkeys, they come to your garden to eat, don't prohibit. Let him. He's also Krsna's part and parcel. Where he will eat if you prohibit? It is very practical. I have got another. This is told by my father. My father's elder brother was keeping a cloth shop. My father also was keeping a cloth shop. So it is in the village. So my uncle, what he would do, that before closing the shop, he'll bring one, what is called...? Bhagavän: A bowl? Prabhupäda: Bowl, big bowl. Or it is... What do you call, where you keep water? Bhagavän: Pot. Prabhupäda: Basin, basin. So one basinful rice he will keep in the middle of the shop. And there are rats. So the rats will take the rice, and not cut even a single cloth. It is practical. Yes. They are also animals. Give them food. They'll not create any disturbance. Give them food. Yes. Because cloth are very costly. And there are rats. If one cloth is cut by the rat, then it is great loss. So to save from this loss, he'll put in a basin... Rice was nothing. Rice... In our childhood, we have seen, two änäs per seer. That is with profit. You see. So one basinful rice, it doesn't cost even one änä. So by giving one änä worth food, he saves so many, hundreds of rupees cloth. Otherwise, if they're hungry, they'll cut it. Everyone has got obligation. Even the tiger. Even the tiger... One saintly person was in the jungle. His disciples said the tigers will never come and disturb in the äsrama because the asrama head, they'll keep some milk little far away from the äsrama, and the tigers will come and drink and go away. He'll call, "You tiger, come and take your milk here!" Just like we call the dogs. They'll come and take the milk and go away. And they'll never attack any inmates of the äsrama. He'll say, ämära ajni hana isko bolo naya (?): "They are my men; don't harm them." Yes. Tigers can be trained up. Just like dog. They are a dog species. More ferocious, that's all. More ferocious dog. That's all. So you can train them. I have seen in the World Fair. One man has trained... I think most of you have seen. One tiger and one lion. And he was playing with that tiger, lion, just like one plays with dog. They can be trained up. They can understand also that "This man loves me. He gives me food. He's my friend." They also appreciate. Just like this picture, you have seen, Haridäsa Thäkura? The big snake is going. The snake also knows that "He's saintly person. He may not be disturbed. Let me go away." And from reason also, <i>isvaram sarva-bhütänäm hrd-dese... Krsna is everyone's heart. He's dictating. So Krsna can dictate to the animals, to the serpent, to the man, everyone. Such nice foodstuff. And mostly they are made of milk. These people, they do not know. They kill the cows and throw the milk away to the hogs. And they are proud of their civilization. Like jackals and vultures. Actually, Krsna consciousness movement will transform these uncivilized men to real civilization. Their civilization is now compact in masonry work, collecting stones and bricks and piling them. This much, their civilization. Actually, apaçyatäm ätma-tattvam grhesu grha-medhinäm. The explanation I gave this morning. They do not know what is ätma-tattvam. Bahir-artha-mäninaù. The external feature, material nature, they're interested. These scientists, these philosophers, the man, they're simply interested in the external features. Internally, what is important, they do not know. ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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