Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 Hi all, I have compiled below a few comments from Syam, Panca, sambha Norma Hkdd, and myself, for a bit of fun, and to make a point or two. Then a few comments. “We are meant to demonstrate an alternative farming system that protects cows and works oxen and gives its workers a reality wage or living. So if we were to simply start to work with the land, and forget everything else and make it our soul concern, which is the only way we could make it work, forget that the outside world exists, except for preaching to the folks that come from there. There aren’t many takers for this right now, so it will be a long time before we start to see it happening.” “It seams to me that the general mass of devotees are not prepared to abandon the luxuries of modern living no matter how idealistic the simple living model is made. Wouldn't it be great if ISKCON could put its resources in place to support Srila Prabhupada's goals of cow protection and self-sufficient farm communities?” .. “One point is that we are adherents to a unique farming and dietary situation. Somehow we can make money by any means and there is no noise, but if we suggest to make money by cow protection methods there is a decry of deviation practically. Harking on in a reactive way about present farming and social systems is useless. Talking about the ideal is useless unless a plan is in place that takes us there. But this plan needs a dose of slap-in-your-face reality.” “You really hit the nail on the head with that one! Nicely summed up.” “But, our leaders have no such vision. If funds are raised, rather than invest them in training devotees in the arts of self-sufficiency, they generally prefer to build a spiritual Disneyland like New Vrndavana and Bombay." "If we can not make the living we want from ox power and cow protection then how on earth is any devotee going to do it? If we are not cultivating by oxen then it is most probable we are contributing to the demise of the ox. A point in passing. I have not talked of milk production as we all know that unless the oxen are sorted out there is no sustainable milk production.” OK, fun over, here’s to the serious issues: I think Pancarantna’s mail set fire to some kindling that could lead to a fire, and as far as I am concerned that is what is needed. The thing is we are modifying the vision thing that Prabhupada set. Now, again, I think this is good, because that’s where the reality is at. Prabhupada, as any business, had a vision, a mission statement and action plans with clearly defined goals. We seem to be modifying the latter, which is a painful process, but it is real. Prabhupada modified temples to accommodate women – time, place, and circumstance. We too find ourselves in this situation; the circumstance in today’s world demands a more pro-active stance that could mean using different strategies to achieve the vision’s goals. What strikes me so much about so many comments on this forum is how much our limiting factors leave the goals removed from our grasp. There are so many reasons why not to do something, because it would mean surrendering this value or that value. So the end result is non-activity – the exact opposite of Krishna’s words in the Gita. Why must we rely on ISKCON leaders for us to be totally, unlimitedly pro-active? Why must we “start to work with the land, and forget everything else and make it our soul concern, which is the only way we could make it work, forget that the outside world exists”? Why must we “make money by any means and there is no noise, but if we suggest to make money by cow protection methods there is a decry of deviation practically?” Why must we say that “if we are not cuiltivating by oxen then it is most probable we are contributing to the demise of the ox, to know that unless the oxen are sorted out there is no sustainable milk production?” Why must we treat profit as the devil, when it could be our best friend down the roar to a post-industrial peasant social economy? Why must we believe things that are not necessarily the truth in today’s exact situation? I have really split from ISKCON orthodoxy. In some ways it is good, in others bad. But, what I do know that in my eyes none of the above questions are essentially true. The vision for me is – Protection Farms – for the profitable lifetime protection of farm animals. The mission statement is to galvanize support to research and enact the vision within the next 5 years. The action plan is to get ISKCON, the Veg Socs, animal rights movements behind a logical, scientific movement based on the real-life practice of farm animal protection, and enact upon it. For me, the leaders are not ISKCON gurus but the very members here on this conference and elsewhere who are prepared to break old patterns and paradigms and become pioneers to colonise the niche field of protected farm animals. For me, it is not necessary to forget the rest of the world but to completely work within it utilising its resources to meet the vision. For me, to make a profit from cow protection is not deviant behaviour but the essential law of material life that profit creates, loss destroys. For me, the fact that we are not cultivating by oxen does not necessarily mean the demise of the oxen within this system but a temporary research-based stage as the milk cow leader leads and the oxen follow once momentum brings in a profitable ox/crop system. In ecology the pioneers (cow’s milk)are often overtaken by secondary colonisers (oxen's crops) in the process of succession. There is no need to wait for the ox system to be fully ready if the milk system is already ready, the oxen can take the lead further down the alphabet soup, as ABC becomes DEF on the way to XYZ. For me, action and words leading to action to protect farm animals are active prayers of devotion, in full knowlege or not. Myself I find the more I am engaged in this the more I feel in devotional activity - this is my expression of religion (dharma). Well, these are my thoughts – what are yours? Really I would love to know. Your friend, Mark Chatburn __________ Get your free @.co.uk address at http://mail..co.uk or your free @.ie address at http://mail..ie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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