Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 >"Once born you reach something; if you reach it you return also." What is the proof of this apparent implication of the negation of the concept of spiritual advancement? >"Be as you are." If we are unchanging, how can anyone do anything but "be as you are" or "remain as the Self?" What is the point of saying to do something that is essentially meaningless? For that matter, if "be as you are" is all there is to it, what would be the point of giving any instruction (including that itself), whether it be to read Ramana's talks, get a certain type of association, or stop pursuing a type of inquiry about spiritual topics? Personally, I appreciate the philosophy of "See who you are and remain as the Self" very much except for the fact that it ignores context. Like, for example, it's true that a period is a dot; but moreover, it marks the conclusion of a sentence. Context is important. It's fine to say "aham bramasmi," but there is also the question of what does brahman do? Expectedly you would say brahman does not do anything, but others say that brahman is eternally active in the service to Sri Bhagavan, the Personality of Godhead. Is it too much to ask that those who are adherents to a philosophy to prove the basis of their claims? The question here, in case it is not clear, is what is the proof that self-knowledge without context (relationship) is complete, given the fact that other traditions claim that a favorable personal relationship with God is the sine qua non. Also, if there is no real advancement, then logically there must also be no real harm; so what could be the harm of discussing the validity of various aspects of a teaching? It seems that the problem is that it disturbs someone's feeling of control. Furthermore, if there is no achievement other than the ephemeral, then everyone's speech is the same as Ramana's speech (because there would be no forgetting of self-realization, which Ramana denies with "Reminders are often necessary"), and there would even be no point of considering the identity of any speaker or the arguments being made. If there is some objection to the logic in that, then again what is the proof? ("Is there any 'body' which is not Bhagavan, or even any 'thing'... ?" but that "Bhagavan" seems to be having trouble tolerating this "Bhagavan..." Is it not strange?) >"This thread is hereby closed." Finally, there is the immediate question of why discussion of certain points of Ramana's philosophy here is forbidden. I recently left a bhakti association because of the same reason. Refusal to address challenging philosophical or practical questions gives the leadership of a group the appearance of trying to maintain cult-like control over people. Is that the intention here? Sincerely, Pandu das RamanaMaharshi [RamanaMaharshi] On Behalf Of John Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:20 AM (...) "Once born you reach something; if you reach it you return also. Therefore leave off all this verbiage! Be as you are. See who you are and remain as the Self, free from birth, going, coming and returning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 "The diver cannot speak under water; when he has actually recovered the articles he comes out and speaks. "Well, what is the explanation? "Being in water, water will flow into his mouth if he were to open the mouth for speaking. Is it not simple? But the philosopher is not content with this simple fact. He explains, saying that fire is the deity presiding over speech; that it is inimical to water and therefore cannot function! "This is called philosophy and the learners are struggling to learn all this! Is it not a sheer waste of time? Again the Gods are said to preside over the limbs and senses of the individual (vyashti). They are the limbs and senses of Virat (samashti). So they go on explaining Hiranyagarbha, etc. "Why should confusion be created and then explained away? "Ah! Fortunate is the man who does not involve himself in this maze! "I was indeed fortunate that I never took to it. Had I taken to it, I would probably be nowhere - always in confusion. My purva vasanas (former tendencies) directly took me to the enquiry "Who am I?" "It was indeed fortunate!" ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Finally, there is the immediate question of why discussion of certain > points of Ramana's philosophy here is forbidden. I recently left a > bhakti association because of the same reason. Refusal to address > challenging philosophical or practical questions gives the leadership of > a group the appearance of trying to maintain cult-like control over > people. Is that the intention here? > > > > Sincerely, > > Pandu das > > "Once born you reach something; if you reach it you return also. > Therefore leave off all this verbiage! Be as you are. See who you are > and remain as the Self, free from birth, going, coming and returning. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 "Refusal to address challenging philosophical or practical questions gives the leadership of a group the appearance of trying to maintain cult-like control over people. Is that the intention here? Sincerely, Pandu das" I feel the same way too. All the members that post, are very sincere seekers. Their questions are genuine, practical ones and they are eagerly (may be even desparately) hoping to get answers from other members. I also would like the moderator to be more lenient & to let discussions continue. We all already have access to literature in the form of books. We need to put them to practice & this satsangh could be of immense help in this very important regard. So, please .... Sinerely, Sundar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Dear, So what does a confused seeker do? There is much to read and more than that to understand. I was having a discussion with one of my lawyer friends about what is Supreme GOD and Universal Oneness. I was trying to explain to him thus, The one which cannot be explained, which is unknowable, which is the substratum of all and which can only be found in the Heart is the Supreme and Satchitananda. His simple question was, Prove to me practically what u are trying to explain. I was at a loss, I could not prove what I was putting in words. Later on what I could explain was only this, Any human mind or ego which has been brought up by the logical calculations and notions of the world, (analytical abilities or what they call it) sticks to it and looks for explanations and proofs for anything that it can lay hands on. If someone tells the ego, "U are talking to John" the analytical part starts looking out a shape or a structure which it will be termed as John. Or we can say the mind has been trained to think 1+1=2 only. It takes some time to coax the mind or ego out of it and set it on the right path. Perseverence, Practice, Leaving all doubts (thoughts) behind can take anyone further. Education and reading will make the knowledge grow but they can still confuse the mind into believing the analytical abilities more. Start looking for an answer ( leads to analysis and any analysis makes the ego stronger) the ego becomes stronger. Let it be. Be simple. Leave the burdens behind. Then there is lightness in the Heart and the Truth comes to u. In HIS Grace, Regards, Durai. John <ramanachala (AT) onetel (DOT) com> wrote: "The diver cannot speak under water; when he has actually recovered the articles he comes out and speaks. "Well, what is the explanation? "Being in water, water will flow into his mouth if he were to open the mouth for speaking. Is it not simple? But the philosopher is not content with this simple fact. He explains, saying that fire is the deity presiding over speech; that it is inimical to water and therefore cannot function! "This is called philosophy and the learners are struggling to learn all this! Is it not a sheer waste of time? Again the Gods are said to preside over the limbs and senses of the individual (vyashti). They are the limbs and senses of Virat (samashti). So they go on explaining Hiranyagarbha, etc. "Why should confusion be created and then explained away? "Ah! Fortunate is the man who does not involve himself in this maze! "I was indeed fortunate that I never took to it. Had I taken to it, I would probably be nowhere - always in confusion. My purva vasanas (former tendencies) directly took me to the enquiry "Who am I?" "It was indeed fortunate!" ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Finally, there is the immediate question of why discussion of certain > points of Ramana's philosophy here is forbidden. I recently left a > bhakti association because of the same reason. Refusal to address > challenging philosophical or practical questions gives the leadership of > a group the appearance of trying to maintain cult-like control over > people. Is that the intention here? > > > > Sincerely, > > Pandu das > > "Once born you reach something; if you reach it you return also. > Therefore leave off all this verbiage! Be as you are. See who you are > and remain as the Self, free from birth, going, coming and returning. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 DIRECT EXPERIENCE cannot be captured in words, concepts, ideas, thoughts... The difference is like eating a picture of a good meal, or actually experiencing the process of eating a good meal and it's effects on the body/mind. Describing spiritual experience with words is like attempting to use a boulder to describe a butterfly's wing. There is no supression here. We follow Ramana in attempting to dive into the Source, the Heart, which is prior to states of mind, words, and thoughts.. The Heart will not respond until it experiences that the mind is pure, humble, single and silent. There are many groups that discuss ad infinitum. Perhaps those would be a better match for you. Be assured that sincere questions are answered here. in Him, linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Agree with you Linda. This is one group where one finds peace... and very little posturing. Lets keep it that way. Sachin ---- Linda Sherman 06/04/06 20:38:28 RamanaMaharshi Re: [RamanaMaharshi] linear or cyclical, and the value of context DIRECT EXPERIENCE cannot be captured in words, concepts, ideas, thoughts... The difference is like eating a picture of a good meal, or actually experiencing the process of eating a good meal and it's effects on the body/mind. Describing spiritual experience with words is like attempting to use a boulder to describe a butterfly's wing. There is no supression here. We follow Ramana in attempting to dive into the Source, the Heart, which is prior to states of mind, words, and thoughts The Heart will not respond until it experiences that the mind is pure, humble, single and silent. There are many groups that discuss ad infinitum. Perhaps those would be a better match for you. Be assured that sincere questions are answered here. in Him, linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Dear Pandu, As one member to another... "Be as you are." is a rather challenging teaching-instruction from Sri Ramana. Since He informs us that the aim of sadhana is to remove ignorance (see, for example, Talks 398) we may assume that in this instruction He is not asking us to remain ignorant. In fact, He says this removal will reveal our natural state - what we already are. Bhagavan states the way this may be achieved is through 'surrender' and/or 'self-enquiry' ('Who am I?'). Both lead to the elimination, or merging, of the ego (the 'I am the body' idea) in the Source. As for context - in many places in 'Talks' we find Sri Ramana repeatedly reminding us that the Self (what we truly are) is the context for everything, as everything is in the Self. In 'Talks' and in reports about Bhagavan's life, He appears to be very affirmative with regards whatever spiritual practice people were already undertaking when/before they met with Him. This is one of the things that touched me very deeply about Bhagavan - the notion that each person should find whatever way is easiest for him/her to reach the Heart. If we are looking at context, this is quite a good context to hold onto when coming into contact with people of different views, beliefs, and spiritual practices. So, it is not for me to require that other people should prove thier assertions, beliefs or the value of their sadhana to me. Nor vice versa. We have had a couple of thousand years of intellectual debates on what is the correct belief, the correct interpretation/understanding of scriptures, the correct authority, whose is the correct practice? and so on.... Even with the most enlightened thinkers involved, these couple of thousand years have not put an end to discussion and highly refined hair splitting. It seems to be the nature of the mind that it can find a counter argument for any proposal or presumed validation of truth. There is no end to doubting at the level of the intellect. "Doubts will cease only when the non-self is put an end to. That will result in realisation of the Self. There will remain no other there to doubt or ask. All these doubts should be solved within oneself. No amount of words will satisfy. Hold the thinker. Only when the thinker is not held do objects appear outside or doubts arise in the mind." (Talk 245) Sri Ramana's words affirm what Linda has written in her post about the primary aim of the devotee to dive into the Source. Best wishes, Peter ________________________________ RamanaMaharshi [RamanaMaharshi] On Behalf Of Pandu das 04 June 2006 06:42 RamanaMaharshi [RamanaMaharshi] linear or cyclical, and the value of context >"Once born you reach something; if you reach it you return also." What is the proof of this apparent implication of the negation of the concept of spiritual advancement? >"Be as you are." If we are unchanging, how can anyone do anything but "be as you are" or "remain as the Self?" What is the point of saying to do something that is essentially meaningless? For that matter, if "be as you are" is all there is to it, what would be the point of giving any instruction (including that itself), whether it be to read Ramana's talks, get a certain type of association, or stop pursuing a type of inquiry about spiritual topics? <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Pandu, To be what you are, nothing needs to be done, since you can not but be what you really are. The problem is that the ego is assumed to be us. Effort is needed to rectify this through self enquiry or surrender. This 'concept' makes sense to me & Sri Ramana and such others are the proof for me. sundar > > >"Be as you are." > > > > If we are unchanging, how can anyone do anything but "be as you are" or > "remain as the Self?" What is the point of saying to do something that > is essentially meaningless? For that matter, if "be as you are" is all > there is to it, what would be the point of giving any instruction > (including that itself), whether it be to read Ramana's talks, get a > certain type of association, or stop pursuing a type of inquiry about > spiritual topics? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 It may help to read it as 'Stop being (rather believing) who you are not!' Sachin ---- sundar22ca 06/05/06 01:29:05 RamanaMaharshi [RamanaMaharshi] Re: linear or cyclical, and the value of context Pandu, To be what you are, nothing needs to be done, since you can not but be what you really are. The problem is that the ego is assumed to be us. Effort is needed to rectify this through self enquiry or surrender. This 'concept' makes sense to me & Sri Ramana and such others are the proof for me. sundar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Pandu, In common parlance the words 'i' and 'you' are only used to refer to the body-mind-ego-name complex. If the 'true nature' is beyond this complex, it is also not limted by space, time, form and nomenclature. Hence the 'true nature' exists independent of the body- mind-ego-name complex called 'Pandu'. The SELF is not a subject matter of discovery or experience and even when the 'ego' persists, the SELF is fuly aware of ITS own existence. The SELF is behind and also beyond the 'ego' and hence, depending on the state of maturity of the mind, one can either conduct self enquiry with patience or surrender to the Supreme Force (SELF) to calm the mind and let the 'ego' vanish. Realization is 'dissolution of the ego' by the Supreme Force. with kind regards Sivaramakrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 >Describing spiritual experience with words is like attempting to use a boulder to describe a butterfly's wing. Indeed, linda. in 'Self-Enquiry' Section 11, we read: "When this removal takes place the mind becomes subtle and unmoving. It is only by the mind that is impure and is under the influence of rajas and tamas that Reality (i.e. the Self) which is very subtle and unchanging cannot be experienced; just as a piece of fine silk cloth cannot be stitched with a heavy crowbar, or as the details of subtle objects cannot be distinguished by the light of a lamp flame that flickers in the wind. "But in the pure mind that has been rendered subtle and unmoving by the meditation described above, the Self-bliss (i.e. Brahman) will become manifest.. As without mind there cannot be experience, it is possible for the purified mind endowed with the extremely subtle mode (vritti) to experience the Self-bliss, by remaining in that form (i.e. in the form of Brahman). "Then, that one's self is of the nature of Brahman will be clearly experienced." Thank you for this focussed post. anbudan John Siva-Siva - Linda Sherman RamanaMaharshi Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:06 PM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] linear or cyclical, and the value of context DIRECT EXPERIENCE cannot be captured in words, concepts, ideas, thoughts.... The difference is like eating a picture of a good meal, or actually experiencing the process of eating a good meal and it's effects on the body/mind.. Describing spiritual experience with words is like attempting to use a boulder to describe a butterfly's wing. There is no supression here. We follow Ramana in attempting to dive into the Source, the Heart, which is prior to states of mind, words, and thoughts. The Heart will not respond until it experiences that the mind is pure, humble, single and silent. There are many groups that discuss ad infinitum. Perhaps those would be a better match for you. Be assured that sincere questions are answered here. in Him, linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Please shorten your posts when replying to long monographs, as had been done here. This is in consideration for members who are on dial-up and have to pay for their net usage. ~ ~ ~ Moderator ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Dear Readers, Philosophy and true religion are incompatible; religion begins where philosophy ends.The Vedas only kept on saying "not this ;not this" neti neti. The truth can be known only through benediction of God and Guru which are manifestations of the same Truth. Aspirants can only prepare themselves on the prescribed path shown by Sadguru or scriptures. The rest follows. durai muhil <muhild > wrote: Dear, So what does a confused seeker do? There is much to read and more than that to understand. I was having a discussion with one of my lawyer friends about what is Supreme GOD and Universal Oneness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Dear shri pandu, The only answer for all pandus question is practice,practice and practice of self enquiry.I hope that will solve everyones problem here.What else can be a answer for this? That's what strikes to me. vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Dear Friends, I appreciate your efforts to address my questions. You've each been helpful in various ways. It's not my intention to disturb the mood of the group or to hog your inboxes with my issues. I also appreciate that although I've felt somewhat stifled by the moderation policy, it's been reasonable enough that I never actually had a message refused. (Though I admit I've got at least one 'draft' that I spent hours writing last year but didn't send because I didn't want to stir things too much.) I've experienced some other groups that, while proclaiming open-mindedness and confidence in their philosophy, could not tolerate a difficult point of view or challenging questions at all. So what I'm getting at is that I respect this sanga, but I don't want to dominate it, so I'm going to try to be silent for a while. I'm sure you can understand that. Sincerely, Pandu das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Namaste Pandu Das, In you posting I count 11 questions. Clearly you have a number of doubts to be cleared. Having doubts is natural and fine, and I respect your search for Truth. Devotees would often came to Bhagavan to get doubts cleared. Sometimes he would give verbal answers and sometimes not. Rather than answer each question, I'd like to pose a counter question. If you could ask yourself *one* question--raise one doubt--which, if answered, all other questions would be answered, what would that question be? David -- _____________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 David, I was going to be quiet here, but your question was very interesting. It was also very difficult, and after pondering it much of the day, I didn't think I'd be able to come up with an answer (or rather a question... Is this Jeopardy?) First of all, I don't think of questions, they just come to me; and the ones I ask in the bhakti crowd are at least as difficult as those I've asked here. (Most of them don't like it either.) As I was trying find a suitable mother of all questions, I was finding that much of the time I'm just content going about my life, but when that contentment wanes and I feel the need for knowledge, many questions arise. None of the ones that were coming to me were complete. Of course, I considered Ramana's recommended question, "Who am I?" but it also felt incomplete to me because relationships are important to me, and that question does not seem to acknowledge relationships. Another thing that I found is that my questions seemed to fit into groups of philosophical or practical, and I wasn't sure which type was more important. Finally I did settle on a question. It's practical, and based on my philosophy and my faith. It's this: How can I remember Sri Krishna, as He is, and never forget Him? There's a little background to it. Back in September 1995 I went on a journey. I had been studying Ramana's teachings along with Vasistha's yoga, and practicing raja yoga based on Rammurti Mishra's book _Fundamentals of Yoga_. I went on a 2000 mile drive to try to find a place where I could sit in the forest alone. The day after I arrived in the area I bought Bhagavad-gita As It Is and a painting of Sri Krishna with a cow. I tried reading Bhagavad-gita, but it made my head hurt trying to understand it. After a few days I asked Krishna to come visit me so I could know if He was real and who He said He was, and a few days later He did. He came to life in through the painting of Him. In His company there was no lack of anything. He was like a wish-fulfilling gem personified. He was everything I ever loved, and I could see that everything came from Him. I knew all there is to know, because He was with me. When He left, I forgot it all, and forgot Him too. In the bhakti shastras it's said that all the rules and regulations of the scriptures are servants of these two rules: Always remember Krishna, and never forget Him. So my wish is to remember Him again and always. Now I'll pass the microphone to the next person. Sincerely, Pandu das RamanaMaharshi [RamanaMaharshi] On Behalf Of David McEwen Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:24 AM Namaste Pandu Das, In you posting I count 11 questions. Clearly you have a number of doubts to be cleared. Having doubts is natural and fine, and I respect your search for Truth. Devotees would often came to Bhagavan to get doubts cleared. Sometimes he would give verbal answers and sometimes not. Rather than answer each question, I'd like to pose a counter question. If you could ask yourself *one* question--raise one doubt--which, if answered, all other questions would be answered, what would that question be? David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Pandu Das, I received the forward you sent me and will reply to your posting privately, as what I have to say is of a more personal nature and perhaps not suited for the larger group. David -- _____________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 We also would like to hear, David. David McEwen <David.McEwen (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Pandu Das, I received the forward you sent me and will reply to your posting privately, as what I have to say is of a more personal nature and perhaps not suited for the larger group. David -- _____________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Dear Pandu Das, It appears that you are a true seeker and your mind is totally occupied with your beliefs and past conditioning. If you were a christian you would have seen christ instead. This mind of our is a unique gift of God. In dreams which includes day dreaming it creates its own world out of nothing .If you wih to follow Bhagwan,s teachings ; you have to discard all your past beliefs and only concentrate on " WHO AM I?" . It is difficult but your total surrender to Bhagwan or your chosen diety KRISHNA will bring about the self realisation which is the aim of our life. Best of luck ! Pandu das <Pandu108.bms > wrote: David, I was going to be quiet here, but your question was very interesting. It was also very difficult, and after pondering it much of the day, I didn’t think I’d be able to come up with an answer (or rather a question... Is this Jeopardy?) First of all, I don’t think of questions, they just come to me; and the ones I ask in the bhakti crowd are at least as difficult as those I’ve asked here. (Most of them don’t like it either.) As I was trying find a suitable mother of all questions, I was finding that much of the time I’m just content going about my life, but when that contentment wanes and I feel the need for knowledge, many questions arise. None of the ones that were coming to me were complete. Of course, I considered Ramana’s recommended question, “Who am I?” but it also felt incomplete to me because relationships are important to me, and that question does not seem to acknowledge relationships. Another thing that I found is that my questions seemed to fit into groups of philosophical or practical, and I wasn’t sure which type was more important. Finally I did settle on a question. It’s practical, and based on my philosophy and my faith. It’s this: How can I remember Sri Krishna, as He is, and never forget Him? There’s a little background to it. Back in September 1995 I went on a journey. I had been studying Ramana’s teachings along with Vasistha’s yoga, and practicing raja yoga based on Rammurti Mishra’s book _Fundamentals of Yoga_. I went on a 2000 mile drive to try to find a place where I could sit in the forest alone. The day after I arrived in the area I bought Bhagavad-gita As It Is and a painting of Sri Krishna with a cow. I tried reading Bhagavad-gita, but it made my head hurt trying to understand it. After a few days I asked Krishna to come visit me so I could know if He was real and who He said He was, and a few days later He did. He came to life in through the painting of Him. In His company there was no lack of anything. He was like a wish-fulfilling gem personified. He was everything I ever loved, and I could see that everything came from Him. I knew all there is to know, because He was with me. When He left, I forgot it all, and forgot Him too. In the bhakti shastras it’s said that all the rules and regulations of the scriptures are servants of these two rules: Always remember Krishna, and never forget Him. So my wish is to remember Him again and always. Now I’ll pass the microphone to the next person. Sincerely, Pandu das RamanaMaharshi [RamanaMaharshi] On Behalf Of David McEwen Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:24 AM Namaste Pandu Das, In you posting I count 11 questions. Clearly you have a number of doubts to be cleared. Having doubts is natural and fine, and I respect your search for Truth. Devotees would often came to Bhagavan to get doubts cleared. Sometimes he would give verbal answers and sometimes not. Rather than answer each question, I'd like to pose a counter question. If you could ask yourself *one* question--raise one doubt--which, if answered, all other questions would be answered, what would that question be? David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Dear Pandu, You talk about relationships and how important they are to you. If you are not there to start with, can you have relationships? Bhagavan says we must go to the source without fail. The source is YOU! You can have neither thoughts nor relationships if YOU are not there. The only question worth its while is "Who am I?" Yours in Bhagavan, Sharada J. and S. Lartet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 " I considered Ramana's recommended question, "Who am I?" but it also felt incomplete to me because relationships are important to me" Who is that 'Me'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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