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People like us (including me) talk about the past all the time (like what

poorvacharyas did and their glories). Thats good. But we forget the present.

And what IS the present? Forget the christian missionaries. Forget all the

outsiders who are hunting us down. Forget all of them. Very humbly may I

ask, how good are WE? are we really sincere? are we doing what swami

rAmAnuja wanted us to do? is swami happy with us? a person can chant

something all the time (ritualistically or sincerely). thats good. Even

better would be to do something that would please swami. each one of us

should ask this question to ourselves. are we sincere to swami? adiyEn is

not asking anybody "how good are YOU?". because adiyEn knows adiyEn's dog

status. rather adiyEn is suggesting that each one should ask themselves. If

at all we are sincere, nothing will happen. since we are not sincere to him,

all these things happen. Much much more than this WILL happen. How many of

us do sandhyavandanam? (Swami did it even when he was 120 years old). How

many of us actually wash our hair daily (theerthamAduthal)? How is

tiruvaradanam being done in temples at present? is it in perfect accordance

with agama sastra? how is the Lord's food cooked in temples? is it in

accordance with sastra? Why is the tirumala temple open 22 hours a day? it

is in accordance with which sastra? why nobody is opposing this? why are we

not doing our duty properly? remember that our duty is to be a complete

slave of swami and act according to his wishes (ramanujarya divyagnya

varthadham abhivarthadam!). Nothing else. Our only weakness is our

insincerity and indifference to swami's divine wishes. Nothing else. It is

our only enemy. Not karunanidhi. Not the christian missionaries.

 

Guru parampara mentions that a real sri vaishnava will actually be able to

visualise sriman narayana in archa vigraha itself. (nampillai's words). For

most of us he is a toy (again, no offence is meant). we dont take care of

archa vigrahas in divya desas in the way they are to be taken care of. how

many of us have visited kapisthalam? tirumeyyam? adiyEn has visited. These

temples are in a sad state. Many more are there like these actually. adiyEn

certainly feels that not only triplicane parthasarathy perumal is divya desa

emperumAn but also Gajendra Varadhan of kapisthalam and Sathya Giri Nathan

of tirumeyyam are also divya desa emperumans. We chant, "poorvAcharyargal

podham anushtanangal kooruvaar vaarhaigalai kondu neer theri..."(upadesa

ratina malai). Actually we should not only talk on poorvacharyas life and

their glories. We should try to understand what IS sampradaya from their

life. We should learn from them.

 

At present we are in kali yuga. Only swami ramanuja eradicated kali from

this earth. We glorify only swami as "seru kaliyai siridhumara theerthu

vittAn vAzhiye!" (there are other references for this). There was Alavandar,

a great Acharya who lead this sampradaya before swami. ("yatigatkiraivan

yamunaithuraivan" - ramanuja nootrandadi). We dont say that Alavandar

eradicated kali yuga, though we all agree that he was a great acharya. And

later there were many acharyas.

Conclusion:

What we lack is focus. There is no ONE leader leading this ship of

sampradaya. There are many leaders. Many Acharyas (scholars) having their

own set of followers. They are all pulling ship apart in different

directions. Thats why the ship is not progressing forward. Worse! the ship

is breaking apart. There are many factions with lot of leaders. (Its like

the congress party! Confusion! Chaos everywhere!). Sorry about the

comparison. Sadly, its so very true.

 

We need swami to weed out kali. He only can save this world again (like he

did 1000 years before). So let us pray to him to save us. Let us be sincere

in our prayers to him. Let us be sincere in our service to him. He will save

us. Because only HE can save us.

 

"Karei karunai ramanusa ikkadal idathil arei aribavar nin arulin thanmai?"

(Ramanuja nootrandadi)

 

 

--

adinAyEn,

varadha rAmAnuja dAsan.

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SrI:

Excellent post Swamin. I would like to add one point about Kalai differences in our sampradayam which has only brought degradation, and has established a HUGE MENTAL BLOCK with respect to the congregation of all SriVaishnavas; a severe "us vs them" attitude.

We cannot even join hands with respect to issues like the destruction of important sites in Tirumala, just because of Kalai differences. Given the state, what hope do we have for the future? I wonder!!

dAsan,

kidAmbi SoundararAjan.

AzhwAr emperumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE Saranam

 

varadha rAmAnuja dAsan <varadha.ramanujadasan > wrote:

People like us (including me) talk about the past all the time (like what poorvacharyas did and their glories). Thats good. But we forget the present. And what IS the present? Forget the christian missionaries. Forget all the outsiders who are hunting us down. Forget all of them. Very humbly may I ask, how good are WE? are we really sincere? are we doing what swami rAmAnuja wanted us to do? is swami happy with us? a person can chant something all the time (ritualistically or sincerely). thats good. Even better would be to do something that would please swami. each one of us should ask this question to ourselves. are we sincere to swami? adiyEn is not asking anybody "how good are YOU?". because adiyEn knows adiyEn's dog status. rather adiyEn is suggesting that each one should ask themselves. If at all we are sincere, nothing will happen. since we are not sincere to him, all these things happen. Much much more than this WILL happen. How many of us do sandhyavandanam?

(Swami did it even when he was 120 years old). How many of us actually wash our hair daily (theerthamAduthal)? How is tiruvaradanam being done in temples at present? is it in perfect accordance with agama sastra? how is the Lord's food cooked in temples? is it in accordance with sastra? Why is the tirumala temple open 22 hours a day? it is in accordance with which sastra? why nobody is opposing this? why are we not doing our duty properly? remember that our duty is to be a complete slave of swami and act according to his wishes (ramanujarya divyagnya varthadham abhivarthadam!). Nothing else. Our only weakness is our insincerity and indifference to swami's divine wishes. Nothing else. It is our only enemy. Not karunanidhi. Not the christian missionaries.

Guru parampara mentions that a real sri vaishnava will actually be able to visualise sriman narayana in archa vigraha itself. (nampillai's words). For most of us he is a toy (again, no offence is meant). we dont take care of archa vigrahas in divya desas in the way they are to be taken care of. how many of us have visited kapisthalam? tirumeyyam? adiyEn has visited. These temples are in a sad state. Many more are there like these actually. adiyEn certainly feels that not only triplicane parthasarathy perumal is divya desa emperumAn but also Gajendra Varadhan of kapisthalam and Sathya Giri Nathan of tirumeyyam are also divya desa emperumans. We chant, "poorvAcharyargal podham anushtanangal kooruvaar vaarhaigalai kondu neer theri..."(upadesa ratina malai). Actually we should not only talk on poorvacharyas life and their glories. We should try to understand what IS sampradaya from their life. We should learn from them.

At present we are in kali yuga. Only swami ramanuja eradicated kali from this earth. We glorify only swami as "seru kaliyai siridhumara theerthu vittAn vAzhiye!" (there are other references for this). There was Alavandar, a great Acharya who lead this sampradaya before swami. ("yatigatkiraivan yamunaithuraivan" - ramanuja nootrandadi). We dont say that Alavandar eradicated kali yuga, though we all agree that he was a great acharya. And later there were many acharyas.

Conclusion:

What we lack is focus. There is no ONE leader leading this ship of sampradaya. There are many leaders. Many Acharyas (scholars) having their own set of followers. They are all pulling ship apart in different directions. Thats why the ship is not progressing forward. Worse! the ship is breaking apart. There are many factions with lot of leaders. (Its like the congress party! Confusion! Chaos everywhere!). Sorry about the comparison. Sadly, its so very true.

We need swami to weed out kali. He only can save this world again (like he did 1000 years before). So let us pray to him to save us. Let us be sincere in our prayers to him. Let us be sincere in our service to him. He will save us. Because only HE can save us.

"Karei karunai ramanusa ikkadal idathil arei aribavar nin arulin thanmai?" (Ramanuja nootrandadi)

 

 

 

--

adinAyEn,

varadha rAmAnuja dAsan.

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A very insightful and thought provoking post swamin.

I think the most difficult of the foes we face today is the KALAI and we are making echakalai of ourselves by putting toomuch stress on this.

Again, this has led to the all too cynical way of not following the sampradayam.

Many wear poonal only for marriage and death anniversery!!! forget sandyavandanam.

In srirangam, I saw how the dwadasi parayanai was done, all brahmins were fed first. Good but only the naidu's and naicker's kept the Ekadasi vratam. These people all ate upma and all saying "arisiya azhiichu sapidalam" what a mockery.

We have only one way to go we have to build charecter and courage, which will flow only when you follow the system with full heart and mind.

It has become fashion for us to say we believe in almighty (not narayana) but dont believe in sampradayams.

I would request all of those just declare you are not brahmins and get out of the system so that we can cleanse it.

Dasan/raghavan

 

vimalkumar ranganathan <panardasan > wrote:

SrI:

Excellent post Swamin. I would like to add one point about Kalai differences in our sampradayam which has only brought degradation, and has established a HUGE MENTAL BLOCK with respect to the congregation of all SriVaishnavas; a severe "us vs them" attitude.

We cannot even join hands with respect to issues like the destruction of important sites in Tirumala, just because of Kalai differences. Given the state, what hope do we have for the future? I wonder!!

dAsan,

kidAmbi SoundararAjan.

AzhwAr emperumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE Saranam

 

varadha rAmAnuja dAsan <varadha.ramanujadasan > wrote:

People like us (including me) talk about the past all the time (like what poorvacharyas did and their glories). Thats good. But we forget the present. And what IS the present? Forget the christian missionaries. Forget all the outsiders who are hunting us down. Forget all of them. Very humbly may I ask, how good are WE? are we really sincere? are we doing what swami rAmAnuja wanted us to do? is swami happy with us? a person can chant something all the time (ritualistically or sincerely). thats good. Even better would be to do something that would please swami. each one of us should ask this question to ourselves. are we sincere to swami? adiyEn is not asking anybody "how good are YOU?". because adiyEn knows adiyEn's dog status. rather adiyEn is suggesting that each one should ask themselves. If at all we are sincere, nothing will happen. since we are not sincere to him, all these things happen. Much much more than this WILL happen. How many of us do sandhyavandanam?

(Swami did it even when he was 120 years old). How many of us actually wash our hair daily (theerthamAduthal)? How is tiruvaradanam being done in temples at present? is it in perfect accordance with agama sastra? how is the Lord's food cooked in temples? is it in accordance with sastra? Why is the tirumala temple open 22 hours a day? it is in accordance with which sastra? why nobody is opposing this? why are we not doing our duty properly? remember that our duty is to be a complete slave of swami and act according to his wishes (ramanujarya divyagnya varthadham abhivarthadam!). Nothing else. Our only weakness is our insincerity and indifference to swami's divine wishes. Nothing else. It is our only enemy. Not karunanidhi. Not the christian missionaries.

Guru parampara mentions that a real sri vaishnava will actually be able to visualise sriman narayana in archa vigraha itself. (nampillai's words). For most of us he is a toy (again, no offence is meant). we dont take care of archa vigrahas in divya desas in the way they are to be taken care of. how many of us have visited kapisthalam? tirumeyyam? adiyEn has visited. These temples are in a sad state. Many more are there like these actually. adiyEn certainly feels that not only triplicane parthasarathy perumal is divya desa emperumAn but also Gajendra Varadhan of kapisthalam and Sathya Giri Nathan of tirumeyyam are also divya desa emperumans. We chant, "poorvAcharyargal podham anushtanangal kooruvaar vaarhaigalai kondu neer theri..."(upadesa ratina malai). Actually we should not only talk on poorvacharyas life and their glories. We should try to understand what IS sampradaya from their life. We should learn from them.

At present we are in kali yuga. Only swami ramanuja eradicated kali from this earth. We glorify only swami as "seru kaliyai siridhumara theerthu vittAn vAzhiye!" (there are other references for this). There was Alavandar, a great Acharya who lead this sampradaya before swami. ("yatigatkiraivan yamunaithuraivan" - ramanuja nootrandadi). We dont say that Alavandar eradicated kali yuga, though we all agree that he was a great acharya. And later there were many acharyas.

Conclusion:

What we lack is focus. There is no ONE leader leading this ship of sampradaya. There are many leaders. Many Acharyas (scholars) having their own set of followers. They are all pulling ship apart in different directions. Thats why the ship is not progressing forward. Worse! the ship is breaking apart. There are many factions with lot of leaders. (Its like the congress party! Confusion! Chaos everywhere!). Sorry about the comparison. Sadly, its so very true.

We need swami to weed out kali. He only can save this world again (like he did 1000 years before). So let us pray to him to save us. Let us be sincere in our prayers to him. Let us be sincere in our service to him. He will save us. Because only HE can save us.

"Karei karunai ramanusa ikkadal idathil arei aribavar nin arulin thanmai?" (Ramanuja nootrandadi)

 

 

 

--

adinAyEn,

varadha rAmAnuja dAsan.

 

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Adiyen dont have the age or wisdom to comment.

 

But since Thirupathi was brought up, I remembered one

upanyasam by Sri U Ve Prativadi Bhayankaram Swami

called Dwayartham. Evidently, at Thirupathi the gunam

that is in full effulgence is the embodiment of

Vaatsalyam (the guna that treats dosham of adiyaars as

bhogyam). He even goes on to give an example of what

happens in the madapali. This from an upanyasam at

least 25-30 years back.

 

It would seem like we should just place all our faith

in His Thiruvadi and follow what our respective

Acharyan asks of us to do (which btw, seems not much).

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan.

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srI:

srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha:

 

adiyEn too has had the opportunity to hear Prativadi Bhayankaram Swami's

dwaya artham. Actually, this is the context of what Raghuram swami

mentioned:

(PB swami says)

emperumAn has various qualities like vAtsalyam, swAmitvam, souseelyam,

soulabhyam, gnanam, sakthi (unclear voice here) etc. Of these vAtsalyam is

very special. Because there are people in this world who punish others

mistakes and there may even be people who are indifferent when others do

mistakes. But enjoying somebody's mistake cannot be seen that easily. It can

be seen only with a person with whom we enjoy a lot of preethi. Thats why

AzhwAr too glorifies this quality as "nigaril pugazhAi". In tirumAla it is

vAtsalya quality of the Lord that shines. (thirumalaiyilE pragAsippadhu

vAtsalyam ennum gunam!). How many mistakes they make?

 

(swami continues..) tirumalA madapaLLi has some 1500 cooks. I met a person

few days back. He works in there in madapaLLi. When I asked how much salary

he gets. Per month Rs.1000. Sometimes they even give 2000. I asked them as

to when will they come out once you go in. He said some times we go at 5'o

clock and some times they go at 2'o clock and have to remain in temple

premises until 10 PM. Now we should not do vichAram as to how they manage

their bodily needs and urges until then. They may make many

mistakes. emperumAn tolerates all such doshAs. in facts emperumAn enjoys

their mistakes.Thats what AzhwAr glorifies as nigaril pugazhAi"

 

(and the discourse continues. adiyEn will stop here, however)

 

--

adinAyEn,

varadha rAmAnuja dAsan.

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srI:

srImathE rAmAnujaya namaha

 

Though it may be true that the kalai issues happen to be one of the main

problems facing us today, adiyEn does not think that it is the only issue.

The present state has been caused by a systematic collapse of interest in

this sampradaya. There has also been a concomitant systematic assault from

outsiders (Govt aggression, political&rowdy intervention, Christians

aggreesion and so on). This has led to the present state. It is so sad that

both of these should happen at the same time and when we look back, it looks

so systematic. Its awful.

 

The main culprit is the english education and interest in things that are

foreign. Worse. Most of us think that if something has a "made in abroad"

stamp on it, it is good. All the children are given ONLY english education.

The general perception is that only english education is "useful". adiyEn

thinks that it depends on how we define "useful". For many, "useful" means

to earn money, to be rich etc. In one of velukkudi swami's discourses, he

says:

 

"when we ask people as to why they did not learn divya prabandams? The

answer is, they were busy studying. How awful? that means they don't

consider divya prabandams as EDUCATION."

 

Thats the usual trend. Most of us iyengars just have "iyengar" badge on us.

We dont give children an opportunity to learn concepts in sampradaya. adiyEn

was not given any opportunity to learn any concept of sampradaya and kept in

the darkness of english education for 22 long years. After which adiyEn came

to triplicane and by the mercy of vaishnavas there, adiyEn started learning

and getting to know the sampradaya. Still adiyEn is in the same darkness,

that of english eduaction. There is no choice for people like adiyEn. Though

its not too late, adiyEn always felt that adiyEn should have been given a

chance in childhood. The perception that ONLY english education can be

useful is total absurdity and nonsense. Swami says: "Why, are the two really

irreconcilable? We have to tell the youth that an integral view alone can

assure them of a great future.... They have to return to their rich

spiritual past to overcome these evils of modern life"

 

(http://www.hinduonnet.com/fr/2004/12/31/stories/2004123100301400.htm)

 

How very true? Its not very difficult to be successful in both. adiyEn knows

many auditors who are great expounders of sampradaya. (velukkudi swami,

Badrinarayana parasara bhattar swami and many others). And latest, there is

this boy (Vijay varadharajan) who has topped the state in this year's +2

exams. He knows all the 4000 pasurams!

 

Now a metamorphosis is slowly beginning. adiyEn can see it in triplicane.

But adiyEn feels that this metamorphosis is localised and has to spread

elsewhere. A change in mindset is the need of the hour. Indifference to

sampradaya has to be discouraged and curiosity in sampradaya has to be

satiated and encouraged.

 

emperumAnAr tiruvadigaLe saranam!

 

--

adinAyEn,

varadha rAmAnuja dAsan.