Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Dear Mr Kumar Yes, he got to demonstrate the applicibality of his anyanamsa. No one will do it on fairly large sample, other than himself. Even on his forum, this was decided to put to test; but so far - it is still far from being tested. He does not want to apply himself on the charts presented; so the thread went off the wire. Â regards / Prafulla Gang When you have a problem, don't say 'Oh My God, I Have A Big Problem'. But say ' Oh Problem, I Have Big God ' gbp_kumar Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Re: Re: Drug addiction * 6/6/6 Dear RR, I had a chat session with Tarun y'day and one 2 days ago, y'day was more significant as it shows he is not a sure shot researcher where he has done a good study on classics or older works to get the basics right, the conents of what he must lok for and where modifications or fine tuning can be achieved to imrpve the results. and belives that his ayanamsa is a sole deciding factor. HE IS FROZEN ON his ayanamsa as `the last word' on astrological readings.....! and he has QUIT ALL JYOTISH FORUMS and will remain in his forum and wrie a book with his version of th estory. he did not read my post in the group, so sent him to his ID on what he needs to study and a sample database of min 200-300 across the world with the event list I had suggested and can be expanded too. He read my mail but is not sure if HE CAN GET a sample size of 200-300. which i believe is a minimum for anyone claiming path breaking findings....! People go to astrologers or doctors in faith even quakcs exisit and do make an impression on the gullile but this does more harm to the serious people, and subject most, while the quacks bask in self glory. I have not had a chance to try this .....2nd house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive that it came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha.... but will try and do some study here on this. [MAY BE SYNERGISE IT] but how about what i raised isn't mind central to anything here? 1 as the main reason the drugist takes it to give him Ecstasy or false state of being 2. is in suspended logic, affection, reality. all our Puranas talk of MIND OVER MATTER even the invincibLe rakshasas were defeated more by their weakness than their vanquishers might. say Ravana himself was reduced in his response by Rama's charity to come next day after ravana lost his weapons, charriot etc. a mere mortal asking him [a might warrier, invincile by even gods] to come tomorrow ate all his energies than work on it as a let off and come back stronger, fresh. all other rakshasas too same story. their ego when punctured lost all theri real strengTh which is MIND OVER MATTER? !!! FEAR AND FAVOR are the worst evils most of our scriptures say. Thanks Prashant crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote: Dear Tarun ji, Drugs, alcohol, food, vitamins, everything is a chemical, if you look at it that way. A distinction must be drawn between alcohol and drugs, because unlike drugs, alcohol has a property that it shared with food, in terms of producing energy (calories), however, alcohol gives what scientists call empty calories, these cannot be stored (unlike food calories) and cannot be utilized by body to grow or repair itself (unlike food). Drugs (hard drugs) do not share that property. However, my personal preference would be to not try and examine drugs and addiction in the astrological framework as a leaning towards chemicals etc. There are good chemicals and bad chemicals and surely saturn as someone suggested would not cover all the chemicals. I have also seen people successfully link venus with chemicals (based on profession etc) and if you have read Sri Tatvamasiji's articles on planets and periodic table, you will get a glimpse of what I mean and that it is not overly simple, one planet control issue :-) While you may cringe at this and say this is irrelevant, I would direct your attention to www.astrodatabank.com site and find the research section. You will find a carefully done study on alcoholism and if nothing you would enjoy an excellent example of how astrological research should be done. Other articles (including one or two on jyotish research as well) would be of interest too. The reason I was suggesting the 2nd house playing a role was not just because of 'oral fixation' which plays a significant role in addictions according to some psychologists, but also because the 2nd house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive that it came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha. Of course I am sending you off to study all these articles and so on and you might actually just be cursorily interested in pursuing this search :-) But just in case someone else is interested ... RR , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst wrote: > > > Dear Sir. > > this is all clear that 2nd house, 3rd house or 5th house. > > but what is drug ..its finally a chemical and which planets associates to chemicals. i.e. saturn.( > i guess) > > now we must also take alcohal in inclusion to this addiction that those who are not satisfied with > alcohal leads to drug addictions. > this may be for pleasure( i dont think so) but this is for losing consiousness which is to get rid > of the tensions. > what finally leads after drugs i.e. death/sickness/illness or 8th house. > > in my view natural karak for 8th house i.e. mars and saturn along with rahu can lead to drug > addiction. if this is severe in horoscope then cocaine,brown sugar etc...or if they are not strong > then it may be like daily and regular use of medicines like (crocin or pain killers) > > Kindly suggest me further. > > Tarun > www.thevinayak.com > > > --- Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > > Dear reders, > > > > It is true we need to look at 2nd, 5th houses for food, is this food? is where we can' draw a > > line as the taker feels so [it is his food] > > in such a case the one taking it has to be studied from him mental plane, comes from his Mano > > Karaka Chandra, his 4th lord, 4th house, aspects, conjunctions on any or all of them with > > RAHU/Ketu the catalyists here and as always the transits, dasa for it to allow /manifest the > > event. > > > > 4th I ref here for mind, family, relatives, friends, basic academic level, influences / environment > > > > Thanks > > Prashant [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Dear Prafulla, Tarun does not realize that tropical and sidereal ayanamsa can never be equal. It is all based on the angle of earth's inclination with reference to its plane of orbit around the sun. The tropical zodiac counts this inclination (sayan) while the sidereal does not (nirayan). The angle of inclination varies between 21 to 24 degrees over a period of thousands of years. If the two zodiacs are ever at same degrees, it should mean that earth was not inclined at any angle at that time. Which is not possible. Also, the earth's axis wobbles and spins like the axis of a top (lattoo, as we call it in hindi). The top of this axis makes a full circle in 27000 years. That means that around 13500 years ago the axis was inclined in opposite direction and will again circle to similar position after 13500 years. At that time the seasons also did not coincide with present yearly phases of seasons. It can mean that when Krishna was born and yamuna was flooded, it is not necessary that the sun was in leo. Bhishma died on uttarayana day, which comes in winters nowadays. But it is possible that uttarayan was then as hot as it is in Australia, nowadays. Without knowing the basics of earth's movements, the ayanamsa theory cannot be understood correctly. And the sidereal ayanamsa was emphasized upon in India since ages, because unlike the west we did not believe that the earth is flat. Our ancient astronomers like Aryabhatt had calculated the exact distances between earth-sun and earth-moon. It would be foolhardy to think that they did not know about earth's inclination. Tarun's ayanamsa is midway between tropical and sidereal. A difference of at most one degree from lahiri can be digested, but 12 degrees difference can not be. Regards, Ashutosh - Prafulla Gang Tuesday, 06 June, 2006 11:05 Re: Tarun' Ayanamsa Dear Mr Kumar Yes, he got to demonstrate the applicibality of his anyanamsa. No one will do it on fairly large sample, other than himself. Even on his forum, this was decided to put to test; but so far - it is still far from being tested. He does not want to apply himself on the charts presented; so the thread went off the wire. regards / Prafulla Gang When you have a problem, don't say 'Oh My God, I Have A Big Problem'. But say ' Oh Problem, I Have Big God ' gbp_kumar Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Re: Re: Drug addiction * 6/6/6 Dear RR, I had a chat session with Tarun y'day and one 2 days ago, y'day was more significant as it shows he is not a sure shot researcher where he has done a good study on classics or older works to get the basics right, the conents of what he must lok for and where modifications or fine tuning can be achieved to imrpve the results. and belives that his ayanamsa is a sole deciding factor. HE IS FROZEN ON his ayanamsa as `the last word' on astrological readings....! and he has QUIT ALL JYOTISH FORUMS and will remain in his forum and wrie a book with his version of th estory. he did not read my post in the group, so sent him to his ID on what he needs to study and a sample database of min 200-300 across the world with the event list I had suggested and can be expanded too. He read my mail but is not sure if HE CAN GET a sample size of 200-300. which i believe is a minimum for anyone claiming path breaking findings....! People go to astrologers or doctors in faith even quakcs exisit and do make an impression on the gullile but this does more harm to the serious people, and subject most, while the quacks bask in self glory. I have not had a chance to try this ....2nd house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive that it came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha.... but will try and do some study here on this. [MAY BE SYNERGISE IT] but how about what i raised isn't mind central to anything here? 1 as the main reason the drugist takes it to give him Ecstasy or false state of being 2. is in suspended logic, affection, reality. all our Puranas talk of MIND OVER MATTER even the invincibLe rakshasas were defeated more by their weakness than their vanquishers might. say Ravana himself was reduced in his response by Rama's charity to come next day after ravana lost his weapons, charriot etc. a mere mortal asking him [a might warrier, invincile by even gods] to come tomorrow ate all his energies than work on it as a let off and come back stronger, fresh. all other rakshasas too same story. their ego when punctured lost all theri real strengTh which is MIND OVER MATTER? !!! FEAR AND FAVOR are the worst evils most of our scriptures say. Thanks Prashant crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote: Dear Tarun ji, Drugs, alcohol, food, vitamins, everything is a chemical, if you look at it that way. A distinction must be drawn between alcohol and drugs, because unlike drugs, alcohol has a property that it shared with food, in terms of producing energy (calories), however, alcohol gives what scientists call empty calories, these cannot be stored (unlike food calories) and cannot be utilized by body to grow or repair itself (unlike food). Drugs (hard drugs) do not share that property. However, my personal preference would be to not try and examine drugs and addiction in the astrological framework as a leaning towards chemicals etc. There are good chemicals and bad chemicals and surely saturn as someone suggested would not cover all the chemicals. I have also seen people successfully link venus with chemicals (based on profession etc) and if you have read Sri Tatvamasiji's articles on planets and periodic table, you will get a glimpse of what I mean and that it is not overly simple, one planet control issue :-) While you may cringe at this and say this is irrelevant, I would direct your attention to www.astrodatabank.com site and find the research section. You will find a carefully done study on alcoholism and if nothing you would enjoy an excellent example of how astrological research should be done. Other articles (including one or two on jyotish research as well) would be of interest too. The reason I was suggesting the 2nd house playing a role was not just because of 'oral fixation' which plays a significant role in addictions according to some psychologists, but also because the 2nd house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive that it came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha. Of course I am sending you off to study all these articles and so on and you might actually just be cursorily interested in pursuing this search :-) But just in case someone else is interested ... RR , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst wrote: > > > Dear Sir. > > this is all clear that 2nd house, 3rd house or 5th house. > > but what is drug ..its finally a chemical and which planets associates to chemicals. i.e. saturn.( > i guess) > > now we must also take alcohal in inclusion to this addiction that those who are not satisfied with > alcohal leads to drug addictions. > this may be for pleasure( i dont think so) but this is for losing consiousness which is to get rid > of the tensions. > what finally leads after drugs i.e. death/sickness/illness or 8th house. > > in my view natural karak for 8th house i.e. mars and saturn along with rahu can lead to drug > addiction. if this is severe in horoscope then cocaine,brown sugar etc...or if they are not strong > then it may be like daily and regular use of medicines like (crocin or pain killers) > > Kindly suggest me further. > > Tarun > www.thevinayak.com > > > --- Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > > Dear reders, > > > > It is true we need to look at 2nd, 5th houses for food, is this food? is where we can' draw a > > line as the taker feels so [it is his food] > > in such a case the one taking it has to be studied from him mental plane, comes from his Mano > > Karaka Chandra, his 4th lord, 4th house, aspects, conjunctions on any or all of them with > > RAHU/Ketu the catalyists here and as always the transits, dasa for it to allow /manifest the > > event. > > > > 4th I ref here for mind, family, relatives, friends, basic academic level, influences / environment > > > > Thanks > > Prashant [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Shri Ashutosh-ji, While Tarun's ayanamsa could be totally wrong, I must say that the basis for your argument that Tarun's ayanamsa is wrong, is definitely wrong. If basis of your argument is right, then all the previous ayanamsa's in use have to be wrong. All of the ayanamsa including Lahiri's are based on a starting date when tropical and sidereal longitudes are supposed to be identical. With Regards, Pratap , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, > > Tarun does not realize that tropical and sidereal ayanamsa can never be equal. It is all based on the angle of earth's inclination with reference to its plane of orbit around the sun. > > The tropical zodiac counts this inclination (sayan) while the sidereal does not (nirayan). The angle of inclination varies between 21 to 24 degrees over a period of thousands of years. If the two zodiacs are ever at same degrees, it should mean that earth was not inclined at any angle at that time. Which is not possible. > > Also, the earth's axis wobbles and spins like the axis of a top (lattoo, as we call it in hindi). The top of this axis makes a full circle in 27000 years. That means that around 13500 years ago the axis was inclined in opposite direction and will again circle to similar position after 13500 years. > > At that time the seasons also did not coincide with present yearly phases of seasons. It can mean that when Krishna was born and yamuna was flooded, it is not necessary that the sun was in leo. Bhishma died on uttarayana day, which comes in winters nowadays. But it is possible that uttarayan was then as hot as it is in Australia, nowadays. > > Without knowing the basics of earth's movements, the ayanamsa theory cannot be understood correctly. And the sidereal ayanamsa was emphasized upon in India since ages, because unlike the west we did not believe that the earth is flat. > > Our ancient astronomers like Aryabhatt had calculated the exact distances between earth-sun and earth-moon. It would be foolhardy to think that they did not know about earth's inclination. > > Tarun's ayanamsa is midway between tropical and sidereal. A difference of at most one degree from lahiri can be digested, but 12 degrees difference can not be. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > Prafulla Gang > > Tuesday, 06 June, 2006 11:05 > Re: Tarun' Ayanamsa > > > > Dear Mr Kumar > > Yes, he got to demonstrate the applicibality of his anyanamsa. No one will do it on fairly large sample, other than himself. Even on his forum, this was decided to put to test; but so far - it is still far from being tested. He does not want to apply himself on the charts presented; so the thread went off the wire. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > When you have a problem, don't say 'Oh My God, I Have A Big Problem'. But say ' Oh Problem, I Have Big God ' > > > gbp_kumar > Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:58:55 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Re: Drug addiction * 6/6/6 > Dear RR, > > I had a chat session with Tarun y'day and one 2 days ago, y'day was more significant as it shows he is not a sure shot researcher where he has done a good study on classics or older works to get the basics right, the conents of what he must lok for and where modifications or fine tuning can be achieved to imrpve the results. and belives that his ayanamsa is a sole deciding factor. > > HE IS FROZEN ON his ayanamsa as `the last word' on astrological readings....! and he has QUIT ALL JYOTISH FORUMS and will remain in his forum and wrie a book with his version of th estory. > > he did not read my post in the group, so sent him to his ID on what he needs to study and a sample database of min 200-300 across the world with the event list I had suggested and can be expanded too. > > He read my mail but is not sure if HE CAN GET a sample size of 200-300. which i believe is a minimum for anyone claiming path breaking findings....! > > People go to astrologers or doctors in faith even quakcs exisit and do make an impression on the gullile but this does more harm to the serious people, and subject most, while the quacks bask in self glory. > I have not had a chance to try this > ....2nd house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive that it > came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one > should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha.... > > but will try and do some study here on this. [MAY BE SYNERGISE IT] > but how about what i raised isn't mind central to anything here? > > 1 as the main reason the drugist takes it to give him Ecstasy or false state of being > 2. is in suspended logic, affection, reality. > > all our Puranas talk of MIND OVER MATTER even the invincibLe rakshasas were defeated more by their weakness than their vanquishers might. > say Ravana himself was reduced in his response by Rama's charity to come next day after ravana lost his weapons, charriot etc. > a mere mortal asking him [a might warrier, invincile by even gods] to come tomorrow ate all his energies than work on it as a let off and come back stronger, fresh. > all other rakshasas too same story. > their ego when punctured lost all theri real strengTh which is MIND OVER MATTER? !!! > > FEAR AND FAVOR are the worst evils most of our scriptures say. > > Thanks > > Prashant > crystal pages <rrgb wrote: Dear Tarun ji, > > Drugs, alcohol, food, vitamins, everything is a chemical, if you look > at it that way. A distinction must be drawn between alcohol and > drugs, because unlike drugs, alcohol has a property that it shared > with food, in terms of producing energy (calories), however, alcohol > gives what scientists call empty calories, these cannot be stored > (unlike food calories) and cannot be utilized by body to grow or > repair itself (unlike food). Drugs (hard drugs) do not share that > property. > > However, my personal preference would be to not try and examine drugs > and addiction in the astrological framework as a leaning towards > chemicals etc. There are good chemicals and bad chemicals and surely > saturn as someone suggested would not cover all the chemicals. I have > also seen people successfully link venus with chemicals (based on > profession etc) and if you have read Sri Tatvamasiji's articles on > planets and periodic table, you will get a glimpse of what I mean and > that it is not overly simple, one planet control issue :-) > > While you may cringe at this and say this is irrelevant, I would > direct your attention to www.astrodatabank.com site and find the > research section. You will find a carefully done study on alcoholism > and if nothing you would enjoy an excellent example of how > astrological research should be done. Other articles (including one > or two on jyotish research as well) would be of interest too. > > The reason I was suggesting the 2nd house playing a role was not just > because of 'oral fixation' which plays a significant role in > addictions according to some psychologists, but also because the 2nd > house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive that it > came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one > should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha. > > Of course I am sending you off to study all these articles and so on > and you might actually just be cursorily interested in pursuing this > search :-) > > But just in case someone else is interested ... > > RR > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir. > > > > this is all clear that 2nd house, 3rd house or 5th house. > > > > but what is drug ..its finally a chemical and which planets > associates to chemicals. i.e. saturn.( > > i guess) > > > > now we must also take alcohal in inclusion to this addiction that > those who are not satisfied with > > alcohal leads to drug addictions. > > this may be for pleasure( i dont think so) but this is for losing > consiousness which is to get rid > > of the tensions. > > what finally leads after drugs i.e. death/sickness/illness or 8th > house. > > > > in my view natural karak for 8th house i.e. mars and saturn along > with rahu can lead to drug > > addiction. if this is severe in horoscope then cocaine,brown sugar > etc...or if they are not strong > > then it may be like daily and regular use of medicines like (crocin > or pain killers) > > > > Kindly suggest me further. > > > > Tarun > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > --- Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > Dear reders, > > > > > > It is true we need to look at 2nd, 5th houses for food, is this > food? is where we can' draw a > > > line as the taker feels so [it is his food] > > > in such a case the one taking it has to be studied from him > mental plane, comes from his Mano > > > Karaka Chandra, his 4th lord, 4th house, aspects, conjunctions > on any or all of them with > > > RAHU/Ketu the catalyists here and as always the transits, dasa > for it to allow /manifest the > > > event. > > > > > > 4th I ref here for mind, family, relatives, friends, basic > academic level, influences / environment > > > > > > Thanks > > > Prashant > > > > > [] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 I am still waiting for him to respond to the birthdata and the questions I gave. He only posted the chart and goravani output but perhaps he is working on it and will post later on in more details. I will give him an opportunity without pressing too hard. I realize everyone is busy. Incidentally, are there two Taruns on this board or is it the same gentleman who is the proposer of the ayanamsha as also who initiated the drug addiction thread? RR , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Mr Kumar > > Yes, he got to demonstrate the applicibality of his anyanamsa. No one will do it on fairly large sample, other than himself. Even on his forum, this was decided to put to test; but so far - it is still far from being tested. He does not want to apply himself on the charts presented; so the thread went off the wire. Â > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > When you have a problem, don't say 'Oh My God, I Have A Big Problem'. But say ' Oh Problem, I Have Big God ' > > > gbp_kumar > Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:58:55 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Re: Drug addiction * 6/6/6 > Dear RR, > > I had a chat session with Tarun y'day and one 2 days ago, y'day was more significant as it shows he is not a sure shot researcher where he has done a good study on classics or older works to get the basics right, the conents of what he must lok for and where modifications or fine tuning can be achieved to imrpve the results. and belives that his ayanamsa is a sole deciding factor. > > HE IS FROZEN ON his ayanamsa as `the last word' on astrological readings....! and he has QUIT ALL JYOTISH FORUMS and will remain in his forum and wrie a book with his version of th estory. > > he did not read my post in the group, so sent him to his ID on what he needs to study and a sample database of min 200-300 across the world with the event list I had suggested and can be expanded too. > > He read my mail but is not sure if HE CAN GET a sample size of 200-300. which i believe is a minimum for anyone claiming path breaking findings....! > > People go to astrologers or doctors in faith even quakcs exisit and do make an impression on the gullile but this does more harm to the serious people, and subject most, while the quacks bask in self glory. > I have not had a chance to try this > ....2nd house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive that it > came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one > should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha.... > > but will try and do some study here on this. [MAY BE SYNERGISE IT] > but how about what i raised isn't mind central to anything here? > > 1 as the main reason the drugist takes it to give him Ecstasy or false state of being > 2. is in suspended logic, affection, reality. > > all our Puranas talk of MIND OVER MATTER even the invincibLe rakshasas were defeated more by their weakness than their vanquishers might. > say Ravana himself was reduced in his response by Rama's charity to come next day after ravana lost his weapons, charriot etc. > a mere mortal asking him [a might warrier, invincile by even gods] to come tomorrow ate all his energies than work on it as a let off and come back stronger, fresh. > all other rakshasas too same story. > their ego when punctured lost all theri real strengTh which is MIND OVER MATTER? !!! > > FEAR AND FAVOR are the worst evils most of our scriptures say. > > Thanks > > Prashant > crystal pages <rrgb wrote: Dear Tarun ji, > > Drugs, alcohol, food, vitamins, everything is a chemical, if you look > at it that way. A distinction must be drawn between alcohol and > drugs, because unlike drugs, alcohol has a property that it shared > with food, in terms of producing energy (calories), however, alcohol > gives what scientists call empty calories, these cannot be stored > (unlike food calories) and cannot be utilized by body to grow or > repair itself (unlike food). Drugs (hard drugs) do not share that > property. > > However, my personal preference would be to not try and examine drugs > and addiction in the astrological framework as a leaning towards > chemicals etc. There are good chemicals and bad chemicals and surely > saturn as someone suggested would not cover all the chemicals. I have > also seen people successfully link venus with chemicals (based on > profession etc) and if you have read Sri Tatvamasiji's articles on > planets and periodic table, you will get a glimpse of what I mean and > that it is not overly simple, one planet control issue :-) > > While you may cringe at this and say this is irrelevant, I would > direct your attention to www.astrodatabank.com site and find the > research section. You will find a carefully done study on alcoholism > and if nothing you would enjoy an excellent example of how > astrological research should be done. Other articles (including one > or two on jyotish research as well) would be of interest too. > > The reason I was suggesting the 2nd house playing a role was not just > because of 'oral fixation' which plays a significant role in > addictions according to some psychologists, but also because the 2nd > house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive that it > came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one > should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha. > > Of course I am sending you off to study all these articles and so on > and you might actually just be cursorily interested in pursuing this > search :-) > > But just in case someone else is interested ... > > RR > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir. > > > > this is all clear that 2nd house, 3rd house or 5th house. > > > > but what is drug ..its finally a chemical and which planets > associates to chemicals. i.e. saturn.( > > i guess) > > > > now we must also take alcohal in inclusion to this addiction that > those who are not satisfied with > > alcohal leads to drug addictions. > > this may be for pleasure( i dont think so) but this is for losing > consiousness which is to get rid > > of the tensions. > > what finally leads after drugs i.e. death/sickness/illness or 8th > house. > > > > in my view natural karak for 8th house i.e. mars and saturn along > with rahu can lead to drug > > addiction. if this is severe in horoscope then cocaine,brown sugar > etc...or if they are not strong > > then it may be like daily and regular use of medicines like (crocin > or pain killers) > > > > Kindly suggest me further. > > > > Tarun > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > --- Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > Dear reders, > > > > > > It is true we need to look at 2nd, 5th houses for food, is this > food? is where we can' draw a > > > line as the taker feels so [it is his food] > > > in such a case the one taking it has to be studied from him > mental plane, comes from his Mano > > > Karaka Chandra, his 4th lord, 4th house, aspects, conjunctions > on any or all of them with > > > RAHU/Ketu the catalyists here and as always the transits, dasa > for it to allow /manifest the > > > event. > > > > > > 4th I ref here for mind, family, relatives, friends, basic > academic level, influences / environment > > > > > > Thanks > > > Prashant > > > > > [] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Dear Pratap, That is the problem. All ayanamsa calculators assumed a zero point for sidereal and tropical zodiac. Due to the differing dates for this zero point, the diferences in aynamsas is there. But, no one tries to give it a thought that there was never a real zero point. There are softwares today which have been developed considering the wobbly state of earth's axis. These have been used to calculate positions of zodiacs over diferent parts of earth during times when stonehenge, pyramids, etc were supposedly constructed. But, the astrology softwares we use do not consider the wobbling earth's axis at all. Different constructions around different parts of the world coincide with the zodiacal positions around that period. The great pyramids were not only tombs but they were also observatories. If we astrologers do not keep pace with the scientific developments, we will end up having numerous ayanamsas. When we travel in a train, the trees seem to be running by against a backdrop of distant hills which themselves seem to be standing still. One single tree viewed at any particular moment from two different bogies will be perceived at different positions against the same backdrop. Similarily, the planets seem to travel against the backdrop of the zodiac. When looked at from earth the planets will be at a different degree in a zodiac but when seen from a distance in space, they will be in a diferent one because the angle of view changes. It is easier to calculate the tropical zodiacal position of planets. It is simply what you can see in sky as it is, fro mearth. But, to calculate the nirayan zodiac, the ayan or the degree of angle of earth's inclination is subtracted from sayan calculations. The nirayan zodiac remains constant while the sayan or the tropical goes on varying slightly. Any wonders that the earth is also tilted at 23 and half degrees and most of the ayanamsas used are also in the same range? This is a simple explanation of the sayan-nirayan ayanamsa difference. Those who are India should visit the jantar-mantars in Delhi and Jaipur to clarify the concepts. Regards, Ashutosh - pkaneria Tuesday, 06 June, 2006 19:58 Re: Tarun' Ayanamsa Shri Ashutosh-ji, While Tarun's ayanamsa could be totally wrong, I must say that the basis for your argument that Tarun's ayanamsa is wrong, is definitely wrong. If basis of your argument is right, then all the previous ayanamsa's in use have to be wrong. All of the ayanamsa including Lahiri's are based on a starting date when tropical and sidereal longitudes are supposed to be identical. With Regards, Pratap , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, > > Tarun does not realize that tropical and sidereal ayanamsa can never be equal. It is all based on the angle of earth's inclination with reference to its plane of orbit around the sun. > > The tropical zodiac counts this inclination (sayan) while the sidereal does not (nirayan). The angle of inclination varies between 21 to 24 degrees over a period of thousands of years. If the two zodiacs are ever at same degrees, it should mean that earth was not inclined at any angle at that time. Which is not possible. > > Also, the earth's axis wobbles and spins like the axis of a top (lattoo, as we call it in hindi). The top of this axis makes a full circle in 27000 years. That means that around 13500 years ago the axis was inclined in opposite direction and will again circle to similar position after 13500 years. > > At that time the seasons also did not coincide with present yearly phases of seasons. It can mean that when Krishna was born and yamuna was flooded, it is not necessary that the sun was in leo. Bhishma died on uttarayana day, which comes in winters nowadays. But it is possible that uttarayan was then as hot as it is in Australia, nowadays. > > Without knowing the basics of earth's movements, the ayanamsa theory cannot be understood correctly. And the sidereal ayanamsa was emphasized upon in India since ages, because unlike the west we did not believe that the earth is flat. > > Our ancient astronomers like Aryabhatt had calculated the exact distances between earth-sun and earth-moon. It would be foolhardy to think that they did not know about earth's inclination. > > Tarun's ayanamsa is midway between tropical and sidereal. A difference of at most one degree from lahiri can be digested, but 12 degrees difference can not be. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > > > - > Prafulla Gang > > Tuesday, 06 June, 2006 11:05 > Re: Tarun' Ayanamsa > > > > Dear Mr Kumar > > Yes, he got to demonstrate the applicibality of his anyanamsa. No one will do it on fairly large sample, other than himself. Even on his forum, this was decided to put to test; but so far - it is still far from being tested. He does not want to apply himself on the charts presented; so the thread went off the wire. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > When you have a problem, don't say 'Oh My God, I Have A Big Problem'. But say ' Oh Problem, I Have Big God ' > > > gbp_kumar > Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:58:55 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Re: Drug addiction * 6/6/6 > Dear RR, > > I had a chat session with Tarun y'day and one 2 days ago, y'day was more significant as it shows he is not a sure shot researcher where he has done a good study on classics or older works to get the basics right, the conents of what he must lok for and where modifications or fine tuning can be achieved to imrpve the results. and belives that his ayanamsa is a sole deciding factor. > > HE IS FROZEN ON his ayanamsa as `the last word' on astrological readings....! and he has QUIT ALL JYOTISH FORUMS and will remain in his forum and wrie a book with his version of th estory. > > he did not read my post in the group, so sent him to his ID on what he needs to study and a sample database of min 200-300 across the world with the event list I had suggested and can be expanded too. > > He read my mail but is not sure if HE CAN GET a sample size of 200-300. which i believe is a minimum for anyone claiming path breaking findings....! > > People go to astrologers or doctors in faith even quakcs exisit and do make an impression on the gullile but this does more harm to the serious people, and subject most, while the quacks bask in self glory. > I have not had a chance to try this > ....2nd house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive that it > came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one > should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha.... > > but will try and do some study here on this. [MAY BE SYNERGISE IT] > but how about what i raised isn't mind central to anything here? > > 1 as the main reason the drugist takes it to give him Ecstasy or false state of being > 2. is in suspended logic, affection, reality. > > all our Puranas talk of MIND OVER MATTER even the invincibLe rakshasas were defeated more by their weakness than their vanquishers might. > say Ravana himself was reduced in his response by Rama's charity to come next day after ravana lost his weapons, charriot etc. > a mere mortal asking him [a might warrier, invincile by even gods] to come tomorrow ate all his energies than work on it as a let off and come back stronger, fresh. > all other rakshasas too same story. > their ego when punctured lost all theri real strengTh which is MIND OVER MATTER? !!! > > FEAR AND FAVOR are the worst evils most of our scriptures say. > > Thanks > > Prashant > crystal pages <rrgb wrote: Dear Tarun ji, > > Drugs, alcohol, food, vitamins, everything is a chemical, if you look > at it that way. A distinction must be drawn between alcohol and > drugs, because unlike drugs, alcohol has a property that it shared > with food, in terms of producing energy (calories), however, alcohol > gives what scientists call empty calories, these cannot be stored > (unlike food calories) and cannot be utilized by body to grow or > repair itself (unlike food). Drugs (hard drugs) do not share that > property. > > However, my personal preference would be to not try and examine drugs > and addiction in the astrological framework as a leaning towards > chemicals etc. There are good chemicals and bad chemicals and surely > saturn as someone suggested would not cover all the chemicals. I have > also seen people successfully link venus with chemicals (based on > profession etc) and if you have read Sri Tatvamasiji's articles on > planets and periodic table, you will get a glimpse of what I mean and > that it is not overly simple, one planet control issue :-) > > While you may cringe at this and say this is irrelevant, I would > direct your attention to www.astrodatabank.com site and find the > research section. You will find a carefully done study on alcoholism > and if nothing you would enjoy an excellent example of how > astrological research should be done. Other articles (including one > or two on jyotish research as well) would be of interest too. > > The reason I was suggesting the 2nd house playing a role was not just > because of 'oral fixation' which plays a significant role in > addictions according to some psychologists, but also because the 2nd > house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive that it > came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one > should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha. > > Of course I am sending you off to study all these articles and so on > and you might actually just be cursorily interested in pursuing this > search :-) > > But just in case someone else is interested ... > > RR > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir. > > > > this is all clear that 2nd house, 3rd house or 5th house. > > > > but what is drug ..its finally a chemical and which planets > associates to chemicals. i.e. saturn.( > > i guess) > > > > now we must also take alcohal in inclusion to this addiction that > those who are not satisfied with > > alcohal leads to drug addictions. > > this may be for pleasure( i dont think so) but this is for losing > consiousness which is to get rid > > of the tensions. > > what finally leads after drugs i.e. death/sickness/illness or 8th > house. > > > > in my view natural karak for 8th house i.e. mars and saturn along > with rahu can lead to drug > > addiction. if this is severe in horoscope then cocaine,brown sugar > etc...or if they are not strong > > then it may be like daily and regular use of medicines like (crocin > or pain killers) > > > > Kindly suggest me further. > > > > Tarun > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > --- Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > Dear reders, > > > > > > It is true we need to look at 2nd, 5th houses for food, is this > food? is where we can' draw a > > > line as the taker feels so [it is his food] > > > in such a case the one taking it has to be studied from him > mental plane, comes from his Mano > > > Karaka Chandra, his 4th lord, 4th house, aspects, conjunctions > on any or all of them with > > > RAHU/Ketu the catalyists here and as always the transits, dasa > for it to allow /manifest the > > > event. > > > > > > 4th I ref here for mind, family, relatives, friends, basic > academic level, influences / environment > > > > > > Thanks > > > Prashant > > > > > [] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Ranjanji, I think there are two Taruns -- one is Tarun Aggarwal (drug addiction thread) and the other Tarun Chopra (ayanamsa). Regards, Pradeep - crystal pages Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:38 PM Re: Tarun' Ayanamsa I am still waiting for him to respond to the birthdata and the questions I gave. He only posted the chart and goravani output but perhaps he is working on it and will post later on in more details. I will give him an opportunity without pressing too hard. I realize everyone is busy. Incidentally, are there two Taruns on this board or is it the same gentleman who is the proposer of the ayanamsha as also who initiated the drug addiction thread? RR , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Mr Kumar > > Yes, he got to demonstrate the applicibality of his anyanamsa. No one will do it on fairly large sample, other than himself. Even on his forum, this was decided to put to test; but so far - it is still far from being tested. He does not want to apply himself on the charts presented; so the thread went off the wire. Â > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > When you have a problem, don't say 'Oh My God, I Have A Big Problem'. But say ' Oh Problem, I Have Big God ' > > > gbp_kumar > Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:58:55 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Re: Drug addiction * 6/6/6 > Dear RR, > > I had a chat session with Tarun y'day and one 2 days ago, y'day was more significant as it shows he is not a sure shot researcher where he has done a good study on classics or older works to get the basics right, the conents of what he must lok for and where modifications or fine tuning can be achieved to imrpve the results. and belives that his ayanamsa is a sole deciding factor. > > HE IS FROZEN ON his ayanamsa as `the last word' on astrological readings....! and he has QUIT ALL JYOTISH FORUMS and will remain in his forum and wrie a book with his version of th estory. > > he did not read my post in the group, so sent him to his ID on what he needs to study and a sample database of min 200-300 across the world with the event list I had suggested and can be expanded too. > > He read my mail but is not sure if HE CAN GET a sample size of 200-300. which i believe is a minimum for anyone claiming path breaking findings....! > > People go to astrologers or doctors in faith even quakcs exisit and do make an impression on the gullile but this does more harm to the serious people, and subject most, while the quacks bask in self glory. > I have not had a chance to try this > ....2nd house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive that it > came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one > should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha.... > > but will try and do some study here on this. [MAY BE SYNERGISE IT] > but how about what i raised isn't mind central to anything here? > > 1 as the main reason the drugist takes it to give him Ecstasy or false state of being > 2. is in suspended logic, affection, reality. > > all our Puranas talk of MIND OVER MATTER even the invincibLe rakshasas were defeated more by their weakness than their vanquishers might. > say Ravana himself was reduced in his response by Rama's charity to come next day after ravana lost his weapons, charriot etc. > a mere mortal asking him [a might warrier, invincile by even gods] to come tomorrow ate all his energies than work on it as a let off and come back stronger, fresh. > all other rakshasas too same story. > their ego when punctured lost all theri real strengTh which is MIND OVER MATTER? !!! > > FEAR AND FAVOR are the worst evils most of our scriptures say. > > Thanks > > Prashant > crystal pages <rrgb wrote: Dear Tarun ji, > > Drugs, alcohol, food, vitamins, everything is a chemical, if you look > at it that way. A distinction must be drawn between alcohol and > drugs, because unlike drugs, alcohol has a property that it shared > with food, in terms of producing energy (calories), however, alcohol > gives what scientists call empty calories, these cannot be stored > (unlike food calories) and cannot be utilized by body to grow or > repair itself (unlike food). Drugs (hard drugs) do not share that > property. > > However, my personal preference would be to not try and examine drugs > and addiction in the astrological framework as a leaning towards > chemicals etc. There are good chemicals and bad chemicals and surely > saturn as someone suggested would not cover all the chemicals. I have > also seen people successfully link venus with chemicals (based on > profession etc) and if you have read Sri Tatvamasiji's articles on > planets and periodic table, you will get a glimpse of what I mean and > that it is not overly simple, one planet control issue :-) > > While you may cringe at this and say this is irrelevant, I would > direct your attention to www.astrodatabank.com site and find the > research section. You will find a carefully done study on alcoholism > and if nothing you would enjoy an excellent example of how > astrological research should be done. Other articles (including one > or two on jyotish research as well) would be of interest too. > > The reason I was suggesting the 2nd house playing a role was not just > because of 'oral fixation' which plays a significant role in > addictions according to some psychologists, but also because the 2nd > house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive that it > came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one > should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha. > > Of course I am sending you off to study all these articles and so on > and you might actually just be cursorily interested in pursuing this > search :-) > > But just in case someone else is interested ... > > RR > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir. > > > > this is all clear that 2nd house, 3rd house or 5th house. > > > > but what is drug ..its finally a chemical and which planets > associates to chemicals. i.e. saturn.( > > i guess) > > > > now we must also take alcohal in inclusion to this addiction that > those who are not satisfied with > > alcohal leads to drug addictions. > > this may be for pleasure( i dont think so) but this is for losing > consiousness which is to get rid > > of the tensions. > > what finally leads after drugs i.e. death/sickness/illness or 8th > house. > > > > in my view natural karak for 8th house i.e. mars and saturn along > with rahu can lead to drug > > addiction. if this is severe in horoscope then cocaine,brown sugar > etc...or if they are not strong > > then it may be like daily and regular use of medicines like (crocin > or pain killers) > > > > Kindly suggest me further. > > > > Tarun > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > --- Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > Dear reders, > > > > > > It is true we need to look at 2nd, 5th houses for food, is this > food? is where we can' draw a > > > line as the taker feels so [it is his food] > > > in such a case the one taking it has to be studied from him > mental plane, comes from his Mano > > > Karaka Chandra, his 4th lord, 4th house, aspects, conjunctions > on any or all of them with > > > RAHU/Ketu the catalyists here and as always the transits, dasa > for it to allow /manifest the > > > event. > > > > > > 4th I ref here for mind, family, relatives, friends, basic > academic level, influences / environment > > > > > > Thanks > > > Prashant > > > > > [] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Dear Pradeep ji, Thanks! That was clarified by Mr. Tarun Agarwal's post already. Thanks for caring to respond, though. I read it soon after posting my enquiry. Only on Jyotish_remedies forum can this happen! You post a question and it has already been answered and then comes along a confirmation, just in case the original was missed! I am a cautious jyotishi-explorer. The more confirmations, the better!! , "Pradeep" <psd1955 wrote: > > Ranjanji, > I think there are two Taruns -- one is Tarun Aggarwal (drug addiction thread) and the other Tarun Chopra (ayanamsa). > Regards, > Pradeep > > - > crystal pages > > Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:38 PM > Re: Tarun' Ayanamsa > > > I am still waiting for him to respond to the birthdata and the > questions I gave. He only posted the chart and goravani output but > perhaps he is working on it and will post later on in more details. I > will give him an opportunity without pressing too hard. I realize > everyone is busy. > > Incidentally, are there two Taruns on this board or is it the same > gentleman who is the proposer of the ayanamsha as also who initiated > the drug addiction thread? > > RR > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr Kumar > > > > Yes, he got to demonstrate the applicibality of his anyanamsa. No > one will do it on fairly large sample, other than himself. Even on his > forum, this was decided to put to test; but so far - it is still far > from being tested. He does not want to apply himself on the charts > presented; so the thread went off the wire. Â > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > When you have a problem, don't say 'Oh My God, I Have A Big > Problem'. But say ' Oh Problem, I Have Big God ' > > > > > > gbp_kumar@ > > Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:58:55 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: Re: Drug addiction * 6/6/6 > > Dear RR, > > > > I had a chat session with Tarun y'day and one 2 days ago, y'day was > more significant as it shows he is not a sure shot researcher where he > has done a good study on classics or older works to get the basics > right, the conents of what he must lok for and where modifications or > fine tuning can be achieved to imrpve the results. and belives that > his ayanamsa is a sole deciding factor. > > > > HE IS FROZEN ON his ayanamsa as `the last word' on astrological > readings....! and he has QUIT ALL JYOTISH FORUMS and will remain in > his forum and wrie a book with his version of th estory. > > > > he did not read my post in the group, so sent him to his ID on what > he needs to study and a sample database of min 200-300 across the > world with the event list I had suggested and can be expanded too. > > > > He read my mail but is not sure if HE CAN GET a sample size of > 200-300. which i believe is a minimum for anyone claiming path > breaking findings....! > > > > People go to astrologers or doctors in faith even quakcs exisit and > do make an impression on the gullile but this does more harm to the > serious people, and subject most, while the quacks bask in self glory. > > I have not had a chance to try this > > ....2nd house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive > that it > > came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one > > should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha.... > > > > but will try and do some study here on this. [MAY BE SYNERGISE IT] > > but how about what i raised isn't mind central to anything here? > > > > 1 as the main reason the drugist takes it to give him Ecstasy or > false state of being > > 2. is in suspended logic, affection, reality. > > > > all our Puranas talk of MIND OVER MATTER even the invincibLe > rakshasas were defeated more by their weakness than their vanquishers > might. > > say Ravana himself was reduced in his response by Rama's charity to > come next day after ravana lost his weapons, charriot etc. > > a mere mortal asking him [a might warrier, invincile by even gods] > to come tomorrow ate all his energies than work on it as a let off and > come back stronger, fresh. > > all other rakshasas too same story. > > their ego when punctured lost all theri real strengTh which is MIND > OVER MATTER? !!! > > > > FEAR AND FAVOR are the worst evils most of our scriptures say. > > > > Thanks > > > > Prashant > > crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: Dear Tarun ji, > > > > Drugs, alcohol, food, vitamins, everything is a chemical, if you look > > at it that way. A distinction must be drawn between alcohol and > > drugs, because unlike drugs, alcohol has a property that it shared > > with food, in terms of producing energy (calories), however, alcohol > > gives what scientists call empty calories, these cannot be stored > > (unlike food calories) and cannot be utilized by body to grow or > > repair itself (unlike food). Drugs (hard drugs) do not share that > > property. > > > > However, my personal preference would be to not try and examine drugs > > and addiction in the astrological framework as a leaning towards > > chemicals etc. There are good chemicals and bad chemicals and surely > > saturn as someone suggested would not cover all the chemicals. I have > > also seen people successfully link venus with chemicals (based on > > profession etc) and if you have read Sri Tatvamasiji's articles on > > planets and periodic table, you will get a glimpse of what I mean and > > that it is not overly simple, one planet control issue :-) > > > > While you may cringe at this and say this is irrelevant, I would > > direct your attention to www.astrodatabank.com site and find the > > research section. You will find a carefully done study on alcoholism > > and if nothing you would enjoy an excellent example of how > > astrological research should be done. Other articles (including one > > or two on jyotish research as well) would be of interest too. > > > > The reason I was suggesting the 2nd house playing a role was not just > > because of 'oral fixation' which plays a significant role in > > addictions according to some psychologists, but also because the 2nd > > house represents Niyama and self-discipline. I am positive that it > > came from one of Mr. KN Rao's books or articles. Again, perhaps one > > should see the varga of 'strength' also, namely saptavimshamsha. > > > > Of course I am sending you off to study all these articles and so on > > and you might actually just be cursorily interested in pursuing this > > search :-) > > > > But just in case someone else is interested ... > > > > RR > > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir. > > > > > > this is all clear that 2nd house, 3rd house or 5th house. > > > > > > but what is drug ..its finally a chemical and which planets > > associates to chemicals. i.e. saturn.( > > > i guess) > > > > > > now we must also take alcohal in inclusion to this addiction that > > those who are not satisfied with > > > alcohal leads to drug addictions. > > > this may be for pleasure( i dont think so) but this is for losing > > consiousness which is to get rid > > > of the tensions. > > > what finally leads after drugs i.e. death/sickness/illness or 8th > > house. > > > > > > in my view natural karak for 8th house i.e. mars and saturn along > > with rahu can lead to drug > > > addiction. if this is severe in horoscope then cocaine,brown sugar > > etc...or if they are not strong > > > then it may be like daily and regular use of medicines like (crocin > > or pain killers) > > > > > > Kindly suggest me further. > > > > > > Tarun > > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > > > > --- Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear reders, > > > > > > > > It is true we need to look at 2nd, 5th houses for food, is this > > food? is where we can' draw a > > > > line as the taker feels so [it is his food] > > > > in such a case the one taking it has to be studied from him > > mental plane, comes from his Mano > > > > Karaka Chandra, his 4th lord, 4th house, aspects, conjunctions > > on any or all of them with > > > > RAHU/Ketu the catalyists here and as always the transits, dasa > > for it to allow /manifest the > > > > event. > > > > > > > > 4th I ref here for mind, family, relatives, friends, basic > > academic level, influences / environment > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > > > [] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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