[vedic astrology] What Parasara Advocates...

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dear divya ji

 

joined sohamsa group few months ago but found it comprising mostly

of SJC members and shishyas of shri sanjay rath ji. it is an elite

group in which we need to read twice before we write a mail, hence

did not venture contributions in that group but wish to contribute

there as well soon. however, JR and VA groups both are fully

democratic and have enough space to share our knowledge and learn as

well.

 

also if you read my mail once again, my observation was general in

nature and not pointed to shri rath ji or narasimha ji who are the

stalwarts of modern astrology. i was highlighting that a native can

worship any diety of his choice without an astrologer imposing in

the name of ishta, kula, grama, dharma etc. after all religion is a

way of life and each native has his or her own way.

 

with best wishes

pandit arjun

 

vedic astrology, Divya <touchbase_divya

wrote:

>

> II Hare Rama Krsna II

>

> Dear Arjunji,

>

> If possible, please go to the Sohamsa group and read the

complete discussion on the topic. Only a part of it is quoted here

in VA. Though I cannot say that I have completely understood the

discussion, but it never occured to me as a Shiva-Vishnu debate. It

seemed more like - how to interpret Parasara. Also, as Sanjayji

prays to both Jagannath and Shiva, I dont see how any such person

can possibly take sides.

>

> Regards,

> Divya

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

> dear friends

>

> seems like the old shiva-vishnu confusion is back. for all those

> who preach vishnu as the one and only god or his forms of rama,

> krishna, jagannath, balaji etc. are the only ones to be worshipped

> and their dasavatars only to be reckoned etc., here are the facts

> for record.

>

> it was lord rudra from whom the three brahma, vishnu and shiva

came

> in three forms (manifestations) to take up the jobs of creation,

> preservation and destruction respectively.

>

> once lord vishnu was worshipping lord rudra with 1000 lotus

flowers

> and due to shiva leela, at the counting of last flower it came

only

> 999. to cover up the shortfall of the last lotus, he plucked his

> own eye (rajeeva nayana or netra as vishnu's eyes were equated

with

> lotus) and put at the feet of lord rudra. of course it was only

> shiva leela and vishnu gets back his eye.

>

> once brahma and vishnu were debating as to who is the best among

the

> two. then came rudra in the form of a linga whose size could not

be

> measured either up in the sky or down in the ground. vishnu goes

> downward to measure and brahma goes upward, both fail to touch the

> bottom or top. brahma deceives and later get cursed.

>

> adi shankaracharya marched by foot from kaladi in kerala to

> badarinath in the upper reaches of the himalayas in uttaranchal

and

> resurrected the badarinath (vishnu) shrine which was in

dilapidated

> condition then. every one knows that this was the most famous

> vishnu shrine built by pandavas after the mahabharat war.

> shankaracharya also attained samadhi in badarinath.

>

> the message i wish to convey is that all forms of gods and

goddesses

> are one and there shall be no conflict or confusion in between

> them. since each form is assigned to give a particular blessing or

> benefit, astrologers including myself suggest worshipping this

form

> or that form to get a particular benefit but not for dividing the

> gods. if the native worships diety "A" we cannot ask him to change

> to "B" or "C" or "D" based on ishta, kula etc. let the aradhya

> devata whom the native is worshipping continue without discovery

of

> any ishta or kula or grama or dharma.

>

> all indians have the habit of blaming the britishers for

> their "DIVIDE AND RULE POLICY" but the same indians divide various

> gods and goddesses and say vishnu is better or shiva is better.

the

> caste system or division of hindus based on four varnas was done

by

> hindus themselves thousands of years ago and for that also people

> blame the britishers.

>

> my humble request to all hindus is to believe that god is only one

> and all different forms are his manifestations. hence please do

not

> divide to get ruled by a particular form. having said this, all

> paths lead to the same god and whichever form one worships, the

> native reaches the same god.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > > I have no issue with connecting the third chapter and using

> Vishnu's

> > > avataras. My only problem is with insisting that only Vishnu's

> avataras

> > > should be prescribed and, moreover, attributing that view to

> Parasara.

> > > [s.Rath:] That is because you are not connecting the natural

> 12th house

> > > Pisces which is ruled by Jupiter and natural 9th house also

> ruled by Jupiter

> > > which indicate the akasa tatva of guru. That is why dharma

> devata and ista

> > > devata are to be seen in Vishnu. I think you are getting stuck

> with

> > > forms,names and rasa which is for the beginners and are not

> appreciating the

> > > sarva-vyapakesa meaning of Vishnu. In another mail today I

have

> elaborated

> > > more on this.

> >

> > You can write as much as you want. But the bottomline is that

> Parasara explicitly mentioned Shiva and Gouri in the context of

> ishta devata.

> >

> > If you do not "get stuck with forms, names" and recognize that

> Vishnu is "sarva-vyapakeswara" and hence covers all deities, why

> can't you accept Shiva as a form of Vishnu and accept him as ishta

> devata?

> >

> > > Secondly, Parasara did not specifically mention Kaali, but he

> did say that

> > > Saturn in a malefic sign shows devotion to taamasik deities.

> Here Saturn is

> > > in Aquarius, a malefic sign.

> > > [s.Rath:] Narasimha, are you saying that Kali worship is

Tamasik

> or that

> > > Kali is a tamasika devata? Please think again about this

> statement.

> >

> > Of course, Kaali is referred to as "taamasi" in Sapta shati. She

> is of course the taamasik energy of the universe. And, BTW, that

is

> not a bad thing as some may be tempted to think.

> >

> > I did not say worshipping Kaali is taamasik.

> >

> > A personal note here: I used to be prejudiced against taamasik

> devatas and used to think that their worship is bad. I later

> realized that understanding the nature of taamasik devatas is much

> tougher than understanding the nature saattwik devatas and that

> sattwik worship of taamasik devatas is possible. I also realized

> that moksha is not about being fully saattwik, but about

> understanding and overcoming all the three gunas!

> >

> > > > Should we take Kali to be the deity of the Moon or the deity

> of Saturn?

> > > > Prasna Marga at least is very clear about Saturn but puts a

> condition of

> > > the

> > > > Moon being in a Saturn's sign.

> > >

> > > Moon shows Divine Mother in general. Saturn's influence on him

> can show a

> > > Saturnine form of Divine Mother, i.e. Kaali.

> > > [s.Rath:] So, Is it the Moon or Saturn? Which one?

> >

> > Can be either in my view. Saturn or Moon under Saturnine

influence.

> >

> > > [s.Rath:] Got your point and you have given an excellent

> example. But you

> > > are still not clarifying one thing. OK I will put the question

> differently

> > > so that perhaps we can be more clear about what we are talking

> about. How

> > > many Veda are there - ONE or FOUR?

> >

> > Veda is the knowledge. There is basically one Veda. For

> convenience of learning though, Veda was divided into 3 parts and

> later into 4 parts.

> >

> > May the light of Brahman shine within,

> > Narasimha

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