GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY! 9/6

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Kumar ji,

 

These terms are close, papabodha and papabheeti to the triggers that

may lead to some types of guilt but still do not capture literally

all the repercussions of the simple english word 'guilt' that

includes so many causes, some real and other causes that are

imagined, hence they are used and work in many conditions and

situations.

 

But they do not capture the 'affective' state and attributes of

guilt. I think that is what the person I quoted who made the original

statement that there is no word in hindi for guilt meaning

essentially the same, was saying. As we have seen with so many

options, alternatives and near words -- he probably did tune into

something significant.

 

Both jewish and christian (not sure about other religions and their

languages) have this concept and term, "guilt" very powerfully

embedded but other religions may not. Both of these religions do not

believe in reincarnation, whereas buddhism and hinduism do. I was

just wondering if that could be the underpinning. With people from

different religions and languages etc, I was hoping to learn a bit

more about what the exact words are used in other languages, such as

arabic, urdu, persian, south indian languages, marathi, gujrati,

assamese, south east asian languages, etc etc.

 

Maybe I was getting too ambitious with my expectations.

 

RR

 

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

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> Dear RR,

>

> I guess u almost got there. in papa Bodha, the closer one CAN

be "Papabheethi" read as one word if separated can mean differently.

> in Sanskrit Bheethi is used for fear, anxiety, complex as well

>

> but for the essence of word guilt this is close to it that ones

conscience tickles it that on any event that can happen or has

happened like guilt can be too. that is a sin committed or fear of

committing a sin.

>

> let me know hat u think

>

> Prashant

>

> crystal pages <rrgb

wrote: Dear Varun,

>

> That is not how I understand it. Prayashchitta or penance

(voluntary

> sacrifice) is done to reduce papa (sin). Maybe guilt could

be 'papa-

> bodh'. See the problem with guilt is that sometimes it can be

> irrational, conditioned by someone's upbringing and the family

one

> grew up in. Sin or Papa on the other hand is more clearcut, at

least

> in most cases. Sin can cause a feeling of guilt (justified) but

there

> could be guilt caused just by misunderstanding or reality, or

even

> imaginary paapa.

>

> Is this making sense?

>

> Regarding prayashchitta -- one more thing! Many (perhaps not most

and

> certainly not all!) utilize prayashcitta as astrological remedies

but

> in the mindset of barter! "Oh God save me from this trouble or

that

> embarrasment and I will feed fifty holy men or help fifty old

> cripples, etc etc." I see the good in that, namely, the poor

people

> got fed or helped, but if the person then automatically goes in

the

> desire mode (God will help me if I do this or that ...) how is

that

> different from bribing someone?

>

> I realize that most modern humans find all this difficult to

accept

> and incorporate and that confuses those people.

>

> Anyway ...!

>

> , "varun_trvd"

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Ranjan ji,

> >

> > In the Hindu thought ' prayashchit' or repentance is done for a

> > Guilt ; the closet Hindi word for it is ' aparadh bodh'.

> >

> > The concept of 'prayashchit' or repentance has been there in

the

> > mythological stories since ever.

> >

> > With naman to all gurujan,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

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> > , "crystal pages"

<rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > There is a concept of guilt in many old religions, it sure is

in

> > > Christianity and Judaism.

> > >

> > > But a scholar way back when I was barely out of teenage

> > emphatically

> > > stated something that stays with me even today, so I ask this

> > august

> > > assembly of hindu and other scholars.

> > >

> > > He claimed that there is no specific word for GUILT in hindi

or

> > > sanskrit or other indo-sanskrit derived languages. Is this

true?

> > In

> > > none of the north, south, east or west indian languages,

there is

> > no

> > > specific word for the globally-pervasive concept of GUILT,

cashed

> > in

> > > almost nightly by priests and stand-up-comedians daily? Or

maybe

> > > nightly I should say to be accurate.

> > >

> > > Was he wrong? Is there a word that describes the feeling

> > of 'GUILT' in

> > > indian culture (and I am really going broad there, I realize).

> > >

> > > RR

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