Rebirth - Hinduism

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Q)You say that the same Lord revealed the same knowledge in the

entire world in different languages. But Islam and Christianity say

that there is no rebirth. Hinduism speaks about the rebirth. If the

Lord is same, how this contradiction comes?

 

Only one Lord created this entire universe. He should have told the

same knowledge everywhere in the world. The contradiction is only

due to misunderstanding. In Hinduism also Sankara says that again

human birth is almost impossible (Jantunaam Nara Janma

Durlabhamidam). Sankara was the incarnation of Siva and so what He

told is also authoritative. Even Gita says that the soul comes back

to this world but does not say that the soul gets again the human

birth (Ksheene Punye Martyalokam Visanti). In the second chapter,

Gita speaks about rebirth but not about the human rebirth. Islam and

Christianity say that the human birth is given only as a single

chance. After this the final judgement is given. The soul either

goes to the Lord or goes to the hell permanently. In Gita also there

are two ways for the soul. Either the soul goes to the Lord and does

not return back or the soul returns back to the world (Abrahma

Bhuvanath, Yat Gatva). According to Gita, if the soul does not go to

the Lord (Brahmaloka), it returns back after enjoying the fruits of

incomplete spiritual effort. Therefore in this human birth, if the

spiritual effort is completed, the soul goes to the Brahmaloka

permanently.

 

If the spiritual effort is incomplete the soul may go up to any

world below Brahmaloka, it will return back to this earth after

enjoying the fruits of its incomplete spiritual effort. The soul may

go up to the sixth world, it cannot go to the Brahmaloka, which is

the seventh world by doing the remaining spiritual effort in the

sixth world. The reason is once the soul leaves this earth all the

upper worlds are only Bhogalokas i.e., the worlds in which the soul

can enjoy the fruits, but cannot do any work (Karma). Therefore the

soul has to return back to the earth. The soul will not get again

another chance of human birth because once it is failed it can never

succeed. Therefore the soul comes to the earth and falls into the

cycle of animals and birds only. When the soul is trapped in this

cycle of animal births, it is treated as a permanent hell.

 

If the soul goes to Brahmaloka it always accompanies the Lord either

in Brahmaloka or may come back to the earth along with the Lord who

takes the human incarnation. In such case the soul is born as a

divine servant of the Lord. Such soul will not take rebirth in the

cycle of animals. Thus for the divine soul also there is no such

rebirth. In this way Hinduism, Islam and Christianity are correlated

as one concept preached by the one Lord. Christians and Muslims are

putting up sincere spiritual effort because there is a threat that

this human life is the only chance. There is no reexamination

according to these religions. This human birth is the only one

examination and the soul either passes or fails and will not be

allowed for any reexamination. But in Hinduism such threat is not

there.

 

People have taken a lenient view on the spiritual life because they

think that the human rebirths are possible and so they can put up

the spiritual effort slowly in the future human births. The Lord

cannot say different theories to different people. The rule must be

same for all the human beings of the world. Therefore whatever the

Lord told in Christianity and Islam also told the same in Hinduism.

Hindus misunderstood the concept. Therefore what ever may be the

religion, every human being should think "Now or Never".

 

The human rebirth is only for Yoga Bhrashta i.e., the soul, which

has reached Brahmaloka and fell due to some slip. Such a soul is

suspended from Brahmaloka and comes down to the earth and takes

rebirth as a human being only. You have passed the P.G. Degree and

obtained the post of the lecturer. But you were suspended for a

month due to some mistake. You will be re-appointed.

 

Similarly the Yoga Bhrashta will be born as a human being for some

time and will come back to Brahmaloka. The case of incomplete

spiritual effort is different from Yoga Bhrashta. The incomplete

spiritual person is like a B.A. Degree holder who never achieved the

lecturer post. You cannot argue that you can be appointed as a

seventy five percent lecturer since you reached seventy five percent

of the total educational period (from school to P.G.Degree is

hundred percent) by getting a B.A. Degree.

 

Thus there is no partial achievement by partial spiritual effort.

The grace of the Lord is either hundred percent or zero. If it is

hundred percent you are reaching Brahmaloka. If it is Zero percent

you are falling back to the earth in the cycle of animals and birds.

There is no third way in between these two. When this truth is

revealed, only one in thousands will try to put the real spiritual

effort as said in Gita (Manushyaanaam Sahasreshu). By this Hindus

will become alert in spiritual effort like Christians and Muslims.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

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"surya" <dattapr2000 wrote:

>

> Q)You say that the same Lord revealed the same knowledge in the

> entire world in different languages. But Islam and Christianity say

> that there is no rebirth. Hinduism speaks about the rebirth. If the

> Lord is same, how this contradiction comes?

>

> Only one Lord created this entire universe. He should have told the

> same knowledge everywhere in the world. The contradiction is only

> due to misunderstanding.

 

Yes, a misunderstanding. Having come from a Christian background I can

tell you that reincarnation was originally an accepted doctrine.

Although some people did not believe it, (the Sadducees), it was not a

foreign idea. It is still a part of Jewish "mysticism", or Kabbalah,

though many maistream Jewish people that I know are familiar with the

doctrine of reincarnation and understand that in ancient times it was

commonly believed.

 

The first council of Nicea decided to erase this doctrine from the new

state sanctioned religion. That was 325 CE - 1700 years ago! These

disgusting people committed murder to alter beliefs for their own

agenda.

 

I have always believed in reincarnation, even as a child when I didn't

know the name for it, I knew that I had lived before. It is not

possible to hide truths, as it not possible to take God from the very

essence, the core, of mankind.

 

Om

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Very little money is sufficient to eat and drink which the animals

and birds also do even without money. If the aim of the money is

only to eat, drink and enjoy, how is a human being different from an

animal or bird or worm? If the file is opened in upper world, you

will not get definitely the human birth. When you serve the Lord in

this world, who comes in human form then only, can you get human

birth without any enquiry in order to serve Him when He

reincarnates.

 

Human birth, urge for salvation and to come in contact with the

human incarnation are the three real fortunes and the importance

increases from left to right in the order (Manushyatvam

Mumukshatvam, Mahapurasha Samsrayah Durlabham—Shankara). Therefore,

simply human birth and to have the urge by taking orange robe are

not sufficient. Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get

the right knowledge for correct implementation, everything is waste.

 

To fulfill the validity of the statements of divine scriptures of

which God Himself is the author, God comes down to preach the true

knowledge of the scripture and also proves the validity of every

statement. Jesus told the same. `Do not think that I came to destroy

the Law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.'

 

Service is the proof of the real love. The mother serves her child

by sacrifice of work like giving bath, dressing etc., for years

together continuously. The father serves the child by sacrifice of

fruit of his entire hard work. It is a clear practical point that

the proof of the real love is only service. If you serve your

family, you love your family. If you serve the entire world, you

love the creation. If you serve the creator, you love the creator.

It is a very simple point.

 

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

surya

http://www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

"celesstn" <imamuzd wrote:

> Yes, a misunderstanding. Having come from a Christian background

I can tell you that reincarnation was originally an accepted

doctrine. Although some people did not believe it, (the Sadducees),

it was not a foreign idea. It is still a part of

Jewish "mysticism", or Kabbalah, though many maistream Jewish people

that I know are familiar with the doctrine of reincarnation and

understand that in ancient times it was commonly believed.

> The first council of Nicea decided to erase this doctrine from the

new state sanctioned religion. That was 325 CE - 1700 years ago!

These disgusting people committed murder to alter beliefs for their

own agenda.

> I have always believed in reincarnation, even as a child when I

didn't know the name for it, I knew that I had lived before. It is

not possible to hide truths, as it not possible to take God from the

very essence, the core, of mankind.

> Om

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