Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 - Dear Patrice, Without the time of birth it is very difficult to read the chart. Venus, as you pointed out is debilitated. Another noteworthy feature of the day is that Mars and Saturn are in almost exact opposition. Such a placement is associated with violence. It is strange that the association of Jupiter with Saturn in Saggitarius ( Kodanda Sani) did not provide the benign touch to his personality. But then perhaps, Jupiter's association probably explains why he tried to give a religious colour to his killings (jehad). It should be very interesting to get his time of birth and then study the chart. Regards, Neena -- In jyotish-vidya, "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry wrote: > > > > > > _____ > > Patrice Curry [patricecurry] > Friday, June 09, 2006 12:35 AM > 'Patrice Curry' > RE: Abu Musab al-Zarqarwi > > > > > > > > _____ > > Patrice Curry [patricecurry] > Friday, June 09, 2006 12:27 AM > Patrice > Abu Musab al-Zarqarwi > > > > Dear List, > > I wrote this yesterday - > > Data for Abu Musab al-Zarqarwi: October 20, 1960, no time found yet, Zarqa, > Jordan > > If any of you know the time, can you please share it. > > Throughout the day here, those speaking in the media have continuously > referred to al-Zarqarwi as "the head of the snake" of the world's leading > terrorist organization. As he is also known for beheading his victims, I > thought it would be interesting to look at the time of attack last night, > and at Rahu specifically as the obvious head of the snake, and also to check > for the same in his chart. I've found the above for his birth, but no time > yet. News reports give last night's attack at approximately 18:15 local time > in Iraq. > > Interestingly chart for Irag last night gives, not surprisingly, a Scorpio > (co-owned by Mars and Ketu) lagna of 12:12 in Sa/Ma. At time of attack > debilitated lagnesh Mars is conjoined and approaching by 1 degree his natal > Jupiter, as well Moon is exactly on his natal debilitated Sun in Libra. > > In his natal chart Ketu co-owns Scorpio and natal Ketu is in MB degree as > well as conjunct this debilitated Sun, and this MB Ketu also closely > conjoined with Mercury. Mercury and Ketu only 3 degrees apart, and both > moving towards one another. (Although again Neptune is not used in > traditional Jyotish, I like to note that Neptune is also conjoined this > Mercury by less than 1 degree.) This conjunction all taking place, in Libra, > in Jupiter's star whilst Jupiter himself is exalted in rasi of Moon... No > planet in Mercury's stars and interestingly, Mars only planet in this MB > Ketu star. > > Dasas of attack chart are Mars/Venus/Mars/Rahu. If time is actually 18:18:17 > or later Scorpio ascendant would be in Sa/Ra instead of Sa/Ma. (In exact > location as well, versus Baghdad this might also alter this.) At time of > attack Mercury and RJupiter are only planet's in Rahu's stars. Rahu is in MB > degree, AND Mercury is also in MB degree and in 8H, ("being beheaded" is > given in significator book as 8H) Rahu in Uttara Bhardrapada, Saturn's star > and deity given as Ahirbudhnya "the serpent of the deep". > > At time of attack Venus and RJupiter are in exact 7H degree mutual aspect. > (Both Jupiter and Venus are given along with Libra and Saturn in my > significator book for 'justice'.) Moon is conjoined with RJupiter and in 12H > Libra, 12H cusp for this attack chart is 20+ degrees Libra, place of highest > exaltation for Saturn. (Ketu and 12H are given for 'assassination' in > significator book.) Saturn and neecha Mars in Moon's rasi, in 9H, with this > debilitated Mars in Sa/Ve, and Saturn in Sa/Ra. Venus in 6H, in rasi sign > Aries, significator for head, as well lagnesh Mars lords this Aries, and my > book gives Mars also for head, however we know Sun usually as well to > signify head. Again note the debilitated Sun in his chart, 7 houses from > Rahu in Aries who is in Venus star, and in the attack chart Moon is exactly > on this natal Sun. > > In his natal chart Venus is neecha at almost exactly deepest possible neecha > degree. At time of attack, Venus is final depositor of 5 planets - only > Mercury and Ketu are deposited by this above mention MB Mercury in 8H. As I > said above, Mercury itself is in MB Rahu's star. > > These are remarkable charts given his life and this death, and it would be > good to know the time of birth as well. Would love to hear what you think > birth lagna might be. > > Peace, > > Patrice > > ... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Dear Neena, Leo Lagna is worth taking a look at... what do you think? (time I cast the chart 01:01:53) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako > <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:20 PM Re: Abu Musab al-Zarqarwi - Dear Patrice, Without the time of birth it is very difficult to read the chart. Venus, as you pointed out is debilitated. Another noteworthy feature of the day is that Mars and Saturn are in almost exact opposition. Such a placement is associated with violence. It is strange that the association of Jupiter with Saturn in Saggitarius ( Kodanda Sani) did not provide the benign touch to his personality. But then perhaps, Jupiter's association probably explains why he tried to give a religious colour to his killings (jehad). It should be very interesting to get his time of birth and then study the chart. Regards, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 - Dear Wendy, 01-01-53 is giving me Cancer lagna for the date Oct 20, 1960. A correction to my previuos post: Sun is debilitated and not Venus. Sorry for the slip! Regards, Neena -- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Neena, > > Leo Lagna is worth taking a look at... what do you think? > > (time I cast the chart 01:01:53) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "neenako" <neenako > <jyotish-vidya> > Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:20 PM > Re: Abu Musab al-Zarqarwi > > > - > Dear Patrice, > > Without the time of birth it is very difficult to read the chart. > > Venus, as you pointed out is debilitated. Another noteworthy feature > of the day is that Mars and Saturn are in almost exact opposition. > Such a placement is associated with violence. > It is strange that the association of Jupiter with Saturn in > Saggitarius ( Kodanda Sani) did not provide the benign touch to his > personality. But then perhaps, Jupiter's association probably > explains why he tried to give a religious colour to his killings > (jehad). > > It should be very interesting to get his time of birth and then > study the chart. > > Regards, > > Neena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Dear Neena, That's strange? PL gives me Leo 02°39'29". Wonder if I don't have a bug in my software? I have noticed a couple of strange things the last few days...maybe I need to re-load it. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako > <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:10 AM Re: Abu Musab al-Zarqarwi - Dear Wendy, 01-01-53 is giving me Cancer lagna for the date Oct 20, 1960. A correction to my previuos post: Sun is debilitated and not Venus. Sorry for the slip! Regards, Neena -- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Neena, > > Leo Lagna is worth taking a look at... what do you think? > > (time I cast the chart 01:01:53) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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