Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Hi Krishna, Thanks for your thoughts here. This is greatly educational for me. It would be interesting for you to share your technique for showing length of life. Personally, I've noted that I am unable to differentiate whether condition of chart shows, as you've said, extreme conditions very close to death, versus death itself in charts. Also, in my experience, I've found this to be true in general with astrologers as even with renowned astrologers like Richard Houck who wrote "Astrology of Death", he was incorrect for instance on his own death. Yogi Karveji told me that "Only God knows when one will pass over." Once someone has died we can go back and see it clearly as again the extreme conditions are there. Before however, or in this instance, not knowing, I hesitate to say which it would indicate. That being said however, I think it's fantastic that you've found something that works for you and I would love to hear your experience with this, and more of the technique. Yes, Guru is vargottama, AND in 5H in Rasi, 9H in Navamsa, as well Sun, which is karaka for body, is very strong in Rasi and in exaltation in Navama. This also shows via his career and that Sun is in 10H rasi chart. And natal ascendant is in Sun's star. However there are a couple nakshatra parivartanas going on, do you think these have any affect on this? Sun and Moon are in nakshatra parivartana - AND Guru and Shukra are in nakshatra parivartana as well. Does this alter this at all with respect to the dasas at time of crash? I am hoping to learn from this excellent example and chart. What are your thoughts regarding the nakshatra parivartana of Jupiter and Venus? (As well as the Sun and Moon.) Does this affect this situation at all? In natal chart Sun, Mars and Rahu are in Moon's stars. On day of accident it's intriguing given what you've said below, that only planet in Sun's star is Jupiter, and Sun is final depositor of crash chart. (As I wrote earlier, Sun in Moolatrikona position, however gandanta as well). It is definitely possible he survived crash and then do you believe it possible he would have passed in Saturn Mahadasa? Sounds like you think he lived beyond this dasa as well. My favorite and much used significator book is, Dictionary of Significators in Astrology, by Umang Taneja and P K Sarna. Yes, I think that this gives Korea for Scorpio is very interesting given all you've said regarding his possible captivity. I eagerly await what Wendy and others can offer as well on this case, as well as see your thoughts on the nakshatra parivartanas. Still at time of reported plane crash dasas are JU/MO/VE/SA dasas.. Many thanks and best wishes, Patrice _____ Hi Patrice, Thanks for your analysis and inputs. Based on my research so far, one thing I am confident about is that death has not taken place during Guru mahadasha. Guru being a satvik planet is vargottama and retrograde as well! This status of Guru prevents death during Guru mahadasha. Probably other conditions were so severe that Netaji came close to death and yet did not die due to Guru, and only saw death around him. //He would have been 48 years old at the time of the crash. But why would the Koreans keep him in captivity for another 25 years? If he lived, and was freed, why would he not have re-surfaced and contacted family, etc..?// My question is whether he was really freed. Though it is difficult accept this, there is a high probability if he was kept in North Korea. Your note on Scorpio being the Significator for Korea is interesting. Can you please sahre the details of this book? Regards Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Dear Patrice and Krishna, We should look at the implications of Jupiter for this chart specifically... Please note THIS Jupiter owns both 12th from lagna and 12th from lagna karaka (Sun). And don't forget that 9th house (Jupiter's moolatrikona) signifies 'travels by air'. Transits on the day of accident certainly do show the possibility of death. Unfortunately I'm only at the computer briefly and don't have time to delve into this any more (at the moment)...will get back when I can. In the meantime though please do try to look at this chart again without holding too much to broad textbook interpretations. BTW Patrice my software gives JU-MO-VE-JU-VE on 18 Aug 1945?? Venus, owning 2nd/7th marakasthanas, is, significantly, transiting 3rd house along with Saturn & Rahu - both VE/SA transiting nakshatra of Jupiter. Must leave this here for now, sorry... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:26 AM RE: Need help reading Netaji's Chart Hi Krishna, Thanks for your thoughts here. This is greatly educational for me. It would be interesting for you to share your technique for showing length of life. Personally, I've noted that I am unable to differentiate whether condition of chart shows, as you've said, extreme conditions very close to death, versus death itself in charts. Also, in my experience, I've found this to be true in general with astrologers as even with renowned astrologers like Richard Houck who wrote "Astrology of Death", he was incorrect for instance on his own death. Yogi Karveji told me that "Only God knows when one will pass over." Once someone has died we can go back and see it clearly as again the extreme conditions are there. Before however, or in this instance, not knowing, I hesitate to say which it would indicate. That being said however, I think it's fantastic that you've found something that works for you and I would love to hear your experience with this, and more of the technique. Yes, Guru is vargottama, AND in 5H in Rasi, 9H in Navamsa, as well Sun, which is karaka for body, is very strong in Rasi and in exaltation in Navama. This also shows via his career and that Sun is in 10H rasi chart. And natal ascendant is in Sun's star. However there are a couple nakshatra parivartanas going on, do you think these have any affect on this? Sun and Moon are in nakshatra parivartana - AND Guru and Shukra are in nakshatra parivartana as well. Does this alter this at all with respect to the dasas at time of crash? I am hoping to learn from this excellent example and chart. What are your thoughts regarding the nakshatra parivartana of Jupiter and Venus? (As well as the Sun and Moon.) Does this affect this situation at all? In natal chart Sun, Mars and Rahu are in Moon's stars. On day of accident it's intriguing given what you've said below, that only planet in Sun's star is Jupiter, and Sun is final depositor of crash chart. (As I wrote earlier, Sun in Moolatrikona position, however gandanta as well). It is definitely possible he survived crash and then do you believe it possible he would have passed in Saturn Mahadasa? Sounds like you think he lived beyond this dasa as well. My favorite and much used significator book is, Dictionary of Significators in Astrology, by Umang Taneja and P K Sarna. Yes, I think that this gives Korea for Scorpio is very interesting given all you've said regarding his possible captivity. I eagerly await what Wendy and others can offer as well on this case, as well as see your thoughts on the nakshatra parivartanas. Still at time of reported plane crash dasas are JU/MO/VE/SA dasas.. Many thanks and best wishes, Patrice _____ Hi Patrice, Thanks for your analysis and inputs. Based on my research so far, one thing I am confident about is that death has not taken place during Guru mahadasha. Guru being a satvik planet is vargottama and retrograde as well! This status of Guru prevents death during Guru mahadasha. Probably other conditions were so severe that Netaji came close to death and yet did not die due to Guru, and only saw death around him. //He would have been 48 years old at the time of the crash. But why would the Koreans keep him in captivity for another 25 years? If he lived, and was freed, why would he not have re-surfaced and contacted family, etc..?// My question is whether he was really freed. Though it is difficult accept this, there is a high probability if he was kept in North Korea. Your note on Scorpio being the Significator for Korea is interesting. Can you please sahre the details of this book? Regards Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Hi Dear Wendy, Ahhhhh, is always so great to see your clear thoughts and view in a chart.. My personal thoughts are that he did pass on this day and in the air accident. For these very excellent reasons you've written below along with many other reasons. To me it just keeps repeating itself and with much confluence... In my last post I am saying to Krishna that really anything is possible and address what Krishna had said as far as his confidence with the death could not have taken place in Jupiter Mahadasa. I personally don't to Jupiter not allowing death in his dasa even if he is strong in a chart. As you have keenly said, this perhaps is more a 'textbook interpretation' of Jupiter. but I agree, I have not seen this to be true in my experience. Reason for different dasas on 18 Aug 1945, is that I use Krishnamurti ayanamsa. In this ayanamsa it is given as JU-MO-VE-SA-JU. Yes, Wendy, brilliant regarding the ownership of both marakastahanas by Venus and this transit in the 3H. This also along with being conjoined with Rahu and then too the fact that all planets, other than Mars, are caught between Rahu/Ketu, and this on the 3/9 axis. And Mars in Mars star. I was eager to hear your thoughts as well Wendy and solely using traditional Jyotish, which is something you are extremely good at. I note the outer planets due to making it more clear for myself, but I love to see your take always, and clarity, as you are able to show this better with no need to use the outer planets. My way of looking at the chart however does also shout out the air accident and this death. To know this absolutely though and for me to say to Krishna that it is not possible that he lived, I couldn't do this as no one can absolutely know, and anything is possible. Just trying to clarify all. All peace and best wishes, Patrice ________ Dear Patrice and Krishna, We should look at the implications of Jupiter for this chart specifically... Please note THIS Jupiter owns both 12th from lagna and 12th from lagna karaka (Sun). And don't forget that 9th house (Jupiter's moolatrikona) signifies 'travels by air'. Transits on the day of accident certainly do show the possibility of death. Unfortunately I'm only at the computer briefly and don't have time to delve into this any more (at the moment)...will get back when I can. In the meantime though please do try to look at this chart again without holding too much to broad textbook interpretations. BTW Patrice my software gives JU-MO-VE-JU-VE on 18 Aug 1945?? Venus, owning 2nd/7th marakasthanas, is, significantly, transiting 3rd house along with Saturn & Rahu - both VE/SA transiting nakshatra of Jupiter. Must leave this here for now, sorry... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Dear Patrice, //I personally don't to Jupiter not allowing death in his dasa even if he is strong in a chart. As you have keenly said, this perhaps is more a 'textbook interpretation' of Jupiter. but I agree, I have not seen this to be true in my experience.// I remember some years ago, on Andrew's list, we were discussing the chart of a young intern who had gone missing. I remember her name was Chandra and she was going through a dasa (or sub-dasa?) of Jupiter in 8th house. Pundit Navaratnam was emphatic that she was only missing -not dead, as Jupiter would keep her safe. I disagreed (quietly - not to antagonise Pundit) and as it turned out she was in fact dead. Unfortunately I don't seem to have her chart on file any longer, more's the pity as it would make an interesting comparison with this chart. I point it out now to emphasise the fact that death can indeed occur during a Jupiter period.... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:15 AM RE: Need help reading Netaji's Chart Hi Dear Wendy, Ahhhhh, is always so great to see your clear thoughts and view in a chart.. My personal thoughts are that he did pass on this day and in the air accident. For these very excellent reasons you've written below along with many other reasons. To me it just keeps repeating itself and with much confluence... In my last post I am saying to Krishna that really anything is possible and address what Krishna had said as far as his confidence with the death could not have taken place in Jupiter Mahadasa. I personally don't to Jupiter not allowing death in his dasa even if he is strong in a chart. As you have keenly said, this perhaps is more a 'textbook interpretation' of Jupiter. but I agree, I have not seen this to be true in my experience. Reason for different dasas on 18 Aug 1945, is that I use Krishnamurti ayanamsa. In this ayanamsa it is given as JU-MO-VE-SA-JU. Yes, Wendy, brilliant regarding the ownership of both marakastahanas by Venus and this transit in the 3H. This also along with being conjoined with Rahu and then too the fact that all planets, other than Mars, are caught between Rahu/Ketu, and this on the 3/9 axis. And Mars in Mars star. I was eager to hear your thoughts as well Wendy and solely using traditional Jyotish, which is something you are extremely good at. I note the outer planets due to making it more clear for myself, but I love to see your take always, and clarity, as you are able to show this better with no need to use the outer planets. My way of looking at the chart however does also shout out the air accident and this death. To know this absolutely though and for me to say to Krishna that it is not possible that he lived, I couldn't do this as no one can absolutely know, and anything is possible. Just trying to clarify all. All peace and best wishes, Patrice ________ Dear Patrice and Krishna, We should look at the implications of Jupiter for this chart specifically... Please note THIS Jupiter owns both 12th from lagna and 12th from lagna karaka (Sun). And don't forget that 9th house (Jupiter's moolatrikona) signifies 'travels by air'. Transits on the day of accident certainly do show the possibility of death. Unfortunately I'm only at the computer briefly and don't have time to delve into this any more (at the moment)...will get back when I can. In the meantime though please do try to look at this chart again without holding too much to broad textbook interpretations. BTW Patrice my software gives JU-MO-VE-JU-VE on 18 Aug 1945?? Venus, owning 2nd/7th marakasthanas is, significantly, transiting 3rd house along with Saturn & Rahu - both VE/SA transiting nakshatra of Jupiter. Must leave this here for now, sorry... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Dear Patrice and All, I've just located the chart I referred to on AstroDatabank (http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LevyChandra.htm). It was some years ago that I looked at this chart and (mistakenly) had in mind Jupiter in 8th...what I did remember clearly was Pundit's conviction that Jupiter would keep her safe. At the time of her last sighting she was running dasa of SA-VE-MO-KE. Saturn owning 8th was transiting her Jupiter (in Taurus) along with transit Jupiter. This must have been the reason behind Pundit's statement that Jupiter would keep her safe?? Interesting that in this chart, Jupiter (again) owns 12th from lagna karaka Sun. Bhukti lord Venus, dispositor of JU/RA occupies 12th from Sun, PD lord Moon occupies 8th along with Mars etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:16 AM Re: Need help reading Netaji's Chart Dear Patrice, //I personally don't to Jupiter not allowing death in his dasa even if he is strong in a chart. As you have keenly said, this perhaps is more a 'textbook interpretation' of Jupiter. but I agree, I have not seen this to be true in my experience.// I remember some years ago, on Andrew's list, we were discussing the chart of a young intern who had gone missing. I remember her name was Chandra and she was going through a dasa (or sub-dasa?) of Jupiter in 8th house. Pundit Navaratnam was emphatic that she was only missing -not dead, as Jupiter would keep her safe. I disagreed (quietly - not to antagonise Pundit) and as it turned out she was in fact dead. Unfortunately I don't seem to have her chart on file any longer, more's the pity as it would make an interesting comparison with this chart. I point it out now to emphasise the fact that death can indeed occur during a Jupiter period.... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Hi Patrice, I understand that it is extremely difficult to predict any such event with 100% certainity. Yet, I chose death as my first area of study as it is the easiest to cross verify my prediction without any ambiguity. I am getting success in about 80% of the charts I have studied. That means, I need to look for some more holes in my technique. I will definitely share the details once I am able to improve my technique further. In those charts I have studied so far, death definitely does not takes place in the dasha of a planet which is both vargottama and retrograde (with an exception to Saturn and that too only under special conditions). That is why I am confident that the death has not taken place during Guru dasha. I could be totally wrong on this and that could be the hole I need to fix. I will correct my theory if I come across one chart where death has taken place during the dasha of a planet which is both vargottama and retrograde. Also, it is possible that I should look at some of the things that you are pointing out. That could be one of the missing pieces in my theory. Secondly, Looking at the afflictions to Lagna and Chandra, I can only classify this chart under purnayu category. There are no serious afflictions to Lagna and Chandra. If he is a purnayu, he could not have died before 72 years of age. I have little clue about nakshtra parivartanas. I would be keen to learn if you could please give me some pointers. Karveji is right when says that "Only God knows when one will pass over". And, my belief is that, that knowledge about death is codified in the chart and one day human beings will be able to get that knowledge. Please pardon me if my response has any shades of arrogance, as that is not what I my intention is. I understand that I am just opening my eyes in the field of astrology and have a long way to go. Regards, Krishna --- Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote: > Hi Krishna, > > > > Thanks for your thoughts here. This is greatly > educational for me. > > > > It would be interesting for you to share your > technique for showing length > of life. Personally, I've noted that I am unable to > differentiate whether > condition of chart shows, as you've said, extreme > conditions very close to > death, versus death itself in charts. Also, in my > experience, I've found > this to be true in general with astrologers as even > with renowned > astrologers like Richard Houck who wrote "Astrology > of Death", he was > incorrect for instance on his own death. Yogi > Karveji told me that "Only God > knows when one will pass over." > > > > Once someone has died we can go back and see it > clearly as again the extreme > conditions are there. Before however, or in this > instance, not knowing, I > hesitate to say which it would indicate. > > > > That being said however, I think it's fantastic > that you've found something > that works for you and I would love to hear your > experience with this, and > more of the technique. > > > > Yes, Guru is vargottama, AND in 5H in Rasi, 9H in > Navamsa, as well Sun, > which is karaka for body, is very strong in Rasi and > in exaltation in > Navama. This also shows via his career and that Sun > is in 10H rasi chart. > And natal ascendant is in Sun's star. However there > are a couple nakshatra > parivartanas going on, do you think these have any > affect on this? Sun and > Moon are in nakshatra parivartana - AND Guru and > Shukra are in nakshatra > parivartana as well. Does this alter this at all > with respect to the dasas > at time of crash? I am hoping to learn from this > excellent example and > chart. What are your thoughts regarding the > nakshatra parivartana of Jupiter > and Venus? (As well as the Sun and Moon.) Does this > affect this situation at > all? > > > > In natal chart Sun, Mars and Rahu are in Moon's > stars. > > > > On day of accident it's intriguing given what you've > said below, that only > planet in Sun's star is Jupiter, and Sun is final > depositor of crash chart. > (As I wrote earlier, Sun in Moolatrikona position, > however gandanta as > well). > > > > It is definitely possible he survived crash and then > do you believe it > possible he would have passed in Saturn Mahadasa? > Sounds like you think he > lived beyond this dasa as well. > > > > My favorite and much used significator book is, > Dictionary of Significators > in Astrology, by Umang Taneja and P K Sarna. Yes, I > think that this gives > Korea for Scorpio is very interesting given all > you've said regarding his > possible captivity. > > > > I eagerly await what Wendy and others can offer as > well on this case, as > well as see your thoughts on the nakshatra > parivartanas. Still at time of > reported plane crash dasas are JU/MO/VE/SA dasas.. > > > > Many thanks and best wishes, > > Patrice > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Hi Patrice, > > Thanks for your analysis and inputs. > > Based on my research so far, one thing I am > confident > about is that death has not taken place during Guru > mahadasha. Guru being a satvik planet is vargottama > and retrograde as well! This status of Guru prevents > death during Guru mahadasha. Probably other > conditions > were so severe that Netaji came close to death and > yet > did not die due to Guru, and only saw death around > him. > > //He would have been 48 years old at the time of the > crash. But why would the Koreans keep him in > captivity > for another 25 years? If he lived, and was freed, > why > would he not have re-surfaced and contacted family, > etc..?// > > My question is whether he was really freed. Though > it > is difficult accept this, there is a high > probability > if he was kept in North Korea. > > Your note on Scorpio being the Significator for > Korea > is interesting. Can you please sahre the details of > this book? > > Regards > Krishna > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Dear Wendy, //I point it out now to emphasise the fact that death can indeed occur during a Jupiter period....// I agree with you that death can occur during Jupiter period. I have come across many charts to support this. In fact, my father passed away during Jupiter sub period. My claim is that death will not happen during Jupiter period when Jupiter is both vargottama and retrograde. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Patrice, > > //I personally don't to Jupiter not > allowing death in his > dasa even if he is strong in a chart. As you have > keenly said, this > perhaps is more a 'textbook > interpretation' of Jupiter. but I agree, I have not > seen this to be > true in > my experience.// > > I remember some years ago, on Andrew's list, we were > discussing the > chart of a young intern who had gone missing. I > remember her name was > Chandra and she was going through a dasa (or > sub-dasa?) of Jupiter in > 8th house. Pundit Navaratnam was emphatic that she > was only > missing -not dead, as Jupiter would keep her safe. I > disagreed > (quietly - not to antagonise Pundit) and as it > turned out she was in > fact dead. Unfortunately I don't seem to have her > chart on file any > longer, more's the pity as it would make an > interesting comparison > with this chart. > > I point it out now to emphasise the fact that death > can indeed occur > during a Jupiter period.... > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> > <jyotish-vidya> > Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:15 AM > RE: Need help reading > Netaji's Chart > > > Hi Dear Wendy, > > > Ahhhhh, is always so great to see your clear > thoughts and view in a > chart.. > > > > My personal thoughts are that he did pass on this > day and in the air > accident. For these very excellent reasons you've > written below along > with > many other reasons. To me it just keeps repeating > itself and with > much > confluence... In my last post I am saying to Krishna > that really > anything is > possible and address what Krishna had said as far as > his confidence > with the > death could not have taken place in Jupiter > Mahadasa. I personally > don't > to Jupiter not allowing death in his dasa > even if he is > strong in > a chart. As you have keenly said, this perhaps is > more a 'textbook > interpretation' of Jupiter. but I agree, I have not > seen this to be > true in > my experience. > > > > Reason for different dasas on 18 Aug 1945, is that I > use Krishnamurti > ayanamsa. In this ayanamsa it is given as > JU-MO-VE-SA-JU. Yes, Wendy, > brilliant regarding the ownership of both > marakastahanas by Venus and > this > transit in the 3H. This also along with being > conjoined with Rahu and > then > too the fact that all planets, other than Mars, are > caught between > Rahu/Ketu, and this on the 3/9 axis. And Mars in > Mars star. > > > > I was eager to hear your thoughts as well Wendy and > solely using > traditional > Jyotish, which is something you are extremely good > at. I note the > outer > planets due to making it more clear for myself, but > I love to see > your take > always, and clarity, as you are able to show this > better with no need > to use > the outer planets. My way of looking at the chart > however does also > shout > out the air accident and this death. To know this > absolutely though > and for > me to say to Krishna that it is not possible that he > lived, I > couldn't do > this as no one can absolutely know, and anything is > possible. > > > > Just trying to clarify all. All peace and best > wishes, > > Patrice > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > Dear Patrice and Krishna, > > We should look at the implications of Jupiter for > this chart > specifically... Please note THIS Jupiter owns both > 12th from lagna > and 12th from lagna karaka (Sun). And don't forget > that 9th house > (Jupiter's moolatrikona) signifies 'travels by air'. > Transits on the > day of accident certainly do show the possibility of > death. > > Unfortunately I'm only at the computer briefly and > don't have time to > delve into this any more (at the moment)...will get > back when I can. > In the meantime though please do try to look at this > chart again > without holding too much to broad textbook > interpretations. > > BTW Patrice my software gives JU-MO-VE-JU-VE on 18 > Aug 1945?? Venus, > owning 2nd/7th marakasthanas is, significantly, > transiting 3rd house > along with Saturn & Rahu - both VE/SA transiting > nakshatra of > Jupiter. > > Must leave this here for now, sorry... > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com > ______________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Dear Krishna, //In those charts I have studied so far, death definitely does not takes place in the dasha of a planet which is both vargottama and retrograde (with an exception to Saturn and that too only under special conditions). That is why I am confident that the death has not taken place during Guru dasha.// Every chart is unique and must be looked upon as such. In the said chart, Jupiter occupies nakshatra of maraka lord Venus and is also aspected by Venus himself... maraka qualities visited upon Jupiter. As we know, the native was running dasa of JU-MO-VE-JU-VE. Here's what Parashara says (Ch.56) about the effect of a Venus sub-period in a period of Jupiter: "48-50. Loss of wealth, fear of PREMATURE DEATH, antagonism with wife etc. will be experienced, if Sukr is Dhan's, or Yuvati's Lord. The remedial measure to obtain relief from these evil effects is giving a tawny-coloured cow, or a female buffalo in charity." (Dhana and Yuvati are 2nd/7th bhavas respectively.) Also note that this Venus (who has the ability to bring death) sits in nakshatra of Jupiter who, owning 12th from both lagna and lagna karaka, is a significator for air travel due to his lordship of 9th house. Look also at Saturn's aspect on lagna karaka, lagna lord and Jupiter. This Saturn (in 8th) dispositor of maraka Venus, is a trishadaya lord...malefic to Ascendant. Also Saturn is in sign of great enemy (in 8th) which diminishes longevity. The relationship between Saturn and Mars is adverse for both... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, June 11, 2006 2:18 PM RE: Need help reading Netaji's Chart Hi Patrice, I understand that it is extremely difficult to predict any such event with 100% certainity. Yet, I chose death as my first area of study as it is the easiest to cross verify my prediction without any ambiguity. I am getting success in about 80% of the charts I have studied. That means, I need to look for some more holes in my technique. I will definitely share the details once I am able to improve my technique further. In those charts I have studied so far, death definitely does not takes place in the dasha of a planet which is both vargottama and retrograde (with an exception to Saturn and that too only under special conditions). That is why I am confident that the death has not taken place during Guru dasha. I could be totally wrong on this and that could be the hole I need to fix. I will correct my theory if I come across one chart where death has taken place during the dasha of a planet which is both vargottama and retrograde. Also, it is possible that I should look at some of the things that you are pointing out. That could be one of the missing pieces in my theory. Secondly, Looking at the afflictions to Lagna and Chandra, I can only classify this chart under purnayu category. There are no serious afflictions to Lagna and Chandra. If he is a purnayu, he could not have died before 72 years of age. I have little clue about nakshtra parivartanas. I would be keen to learn if you could please give me some pointers. Karveji is right when says that "Only God knows when one will pass over". And, my belief is that, that knowledge about death is codified in the chart and one day human beings will be able to get that knowledge. Please pardon me if my response has any shades of arrogance, as that is not what I my intention is. I understand that I am just opening my eyes in the field of astrology and have a long way to go. Regards, Krishna --- Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote: > Hi Krishna, > > > > Thanks for your thoughts here. This is greatly > educational for me. > > > > It would be interesting for you to share your > technique for showing length > of life. Personally, I've noted that I am unable to > differentiate whether > condition of chart shows, as you've said, extreme > conditions very close to > death, versus death itself in charts. Also, in my > experience, I've found > this to be true in general with astrologers as even > with renowned > astrologers like Richard Houck who wrote "Astrology > of Death", he was > incorrect for instance on his own death. Yogi > Karveji told me that "Only God > knows when one will pass over." > > > > Once someone has died we can go back and see it > clearly as again the extreme > conditions are there. Before however, or in this > instance, not knowing, I > hesitate to say which it would indicate. > > > > That being said however, I think it's fantastic > that you've found something > that works for you and I would love to hear your > experience with this, and > more of the technique. > > > > Yes, Guru is vargottama, AND in 5H in Rasi, 9H in > Navamsa, as well Sun, > which is karaka for body, is very strong in Rasi and > in exaltation in > Navama. This also shows via his career and that Sun > is in 10H rasi chart. > And natal ascendant is in Sun's star. However there > are a couple nakshatra > parivartanas going on, do you think these have any > affect on this? Sun and > Moon are in nakshatra parivartana - AND Guru and > Shukra are in nakshatra > parivartana as well. Does this alter this at all > with respect to the dasas > at time of crash? I am hoping to learn from this > excellent example and > chart. What are your thoughts regarding the > nakshatra parivartana of Jupiter > and Venus? (As well as the Sun and Moon.) Does this > affect this situation at > all? > > > > In natal chart Sun, Mars and Rahu are in Moon's > stars. > > > > On day of accident it's intriguing given what you've > said below, that only > planet in Sun's star is Jupiter, and Sun is final > depositor of crash chart. > (As I wrote earlier, Sun in Moolatrikona position, > however gandanta as > well). > > > > It is definitely possible he survived crash and then > do you believe it > possible he would have passed in Saturn Mahadasa? > Sounds like you think he > lived beyond this dasa as well. > > > > My favorite and much used significator book is, > Dictionary of Significators > in Astrology, by Umang Taneja and P K Sarna. Yes, I > think that this gives > Korea for Scorpio is very interesting given all > you've said regarding his > possible captivity. > > > > I eagerly await what Wendy and others can offer as > well on this case, as > well as see your thoughts on the nakshatra > parivartanas. Still at time of > reported plane crash dasas are JU/MO/VE/SA dasas.. > > > > Many thanks and best wishes, > > Patrice > _____ > > > > Hi Patrice, > > Thanks for your analysis and inputs. > > Based on my research so far, one thing I am > confident > about is that death has not taken place during Guru > mahadasha. Guru being a satvik planet is vargottama > and retrograde as well! This status of Guru prevents > death during Guru mahadasha. Probably other > conditions > were so severe that Netaji came close to death and > yet > did not die due to Guru, and only saw death around > him. > > //He would have been 48 years old at the time of the > crash. But why would the Koreans keep him in > captivity > for another 25 years? If he lived, and was freed, > why > would he not have re-surfaced and contacted family, > etc..?// > > My question is whether he was really freed. Though > it > is difficult accept this, there is a high > probability > if he was kept in North Korea. > > Your note on Scorpio being the Significator for > Korea > is interesting. Can you please sahre the details of > this book? > > Regards > Krishna [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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