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Hi Krishna,

 

 

 

Thanks for your thoughts here. This is greatly educational for me.

 

 

 

It would be interesting for you to share your technique for showing length

of life. Personally, I've noted that I am unable to differentiate whether

condition of chart shows, as you've said, extreme conditions very close to

death, versus death itself in charts. Also, in my experience, I've found

this to be true in general with astrologers as even with renowned

astrologers like Richard Houck who wrote "Astrology of Death", he was

incorrect for instance on his own death. Yogi Karveji told me that "Only God

knows when one will pass over."

 

 

 

Once someone has died we can go back and see it clearly as again the extreme

conditions are there. Before however, or in this instance, not knowing, I

hesitate to say which it would indicate.

 

 

 

That being said however, I think it's fantastic that you've found something

that works for you and I would love to hear your experience with this, and

more of the technique.

 

 

 

Yes, Guru is vargottama, AND in 5H in Rasi, 9H in Navamsa, as well Sun,

which is karaka for body, is very strong in Rasi and in exaltation in

Navama. This also shows via his career and that Sun is in 10H rasi chart.

And natal ascendant is in Sun's star. However there are a couple nakshatra

parivartanas going on, do you think these have any affect on this? Sun and

Moon are in nakshatra parivartana - AND Guru and Shukra are in nakshatra

parivartana as well. Does this alter this at all with respect to the dasas

at time of crash? I am hoping to learn from this excellent example and

chart. What are your thoughts regarding the nakshatra parivartana of Jupiter

and Venus? (As well as the Sun and Moon.) Does this affect this situation at

all?

 

 

 

In natal chart Sun, Mars and Rahu are in Moon's stars.

 

 

 

On day of accident it's intriguing given what you've said below, that only

planet in Sun's star is Jupiter, and Sun is final depositor of crash chart.

(As I wrote earlier, Sun in Moolatrikona position, however gandanta as

well).

 

 

 

It is definitely possible he survived crash and then do you believe it

possible he would have passed in Saturn Mahadasa? Sounds like you think he

lived beyond this dasa as well.

 

 

 

My favorite and much used significator book is, Dictionary of Significators

in Astrology, by Umang Taneja and P K Sarna. Yes, I think that this gives

Korea for Scorpio is very interesting given all you've said regarding his

possible captivity.

 

 

 

I eagerly await what Wendy and others can offer as well on this case, as

well as see your thoughts on the nakshatra parivartanas. Still at time of

reported plane crash dasas are JU/MO/VE/SA dasas..

 

 

 

Many thanks and best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

 

 

Hi Patrice,

 

Thanks for your analysis and inputs.

 

Based on my research so far, one thing I am confident

about is that death has not taken place during Guru

mahadasha. Guru being a satvik planet is vargottama

and retrograde as well! This status of Guru prevents

death during Guru mahadasha. Probably other conditions

were so severe that Netaji came close to death and yet

did not die due to Guru, and only saw death around

him.

 

//He would have been 48 years old at the time of the

crash. But why would the Koreans keep him in captivity

for another 25 years? If he lived, and was freed, why

would he not have re-surfaced and contacted family,

etc..?//

 

My question is whether he was really freed. Though it

is difficult accept this, there is a high probability

if he was kept in North Korea.

 

Your note on Scorpio being the Significator for Korea

is interesting. Can you please sahre the details of

this book?

 

Regards

Krishna

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Dear Patrice and Krishna,

 

We should look at the implications of Jupiter for this chart

specifically... Please note THIS Jupiter owns both 12th from lagna

and 12th from lagna karaka (Sun). And don't forget that 9th house

(Jupiter's moolatrikona) signifies 'travels by air'. Transits on the

day of accident certainly do show the possibility of death.

 

Unfortunately I'm only at the computer briefly and don't have time to

delve into this any more (at the moment)...will get back when I can.

In the meantime though please do try to look at this chart again

without holding too much to broad textbook interpretations.

 

BTW Patrice my software gives JU-MO-VE-JU-VE on 18 Aug 1945?? Venus,

owning 2nd/7th marakasthanas, is, significantly, transiting 3rd house

along with Saturn & Rahu - both VE/SA transiting nakshatra of

Jupiter.

 

Must leave this here for now, sorry...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

 

-

"Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net>

<jyotish-vidya>

Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:26 AM

RE: Need help reading Netaji's Chart

 

 

Hi Krishna,

 

 

 

Thanks for your thoughts here. This is greatly educational for me.

 

 

 

It would be interesting for you to share your technique for showing

length

of life. Personally, I've noted that I am unable to differentiate

whether

condition of chart shows, as you've said, extreme conditions very

close to

death, versus death itself in charts. Also, in my experience, I've

found

this to be true in general with astrologers as even with renowned

astrologers like Richard Houck who wrote "Astrology of Death", he was

incorrect for instance on his own death. Yogi Karveji told me that

"Only God

knows when one will pass over."

 

 

 

Once someone has died we can go back and see it clearly as again the

extreme

conditions are there. Before however, or in this instance, not

knowing, I

hesitate to say which it would indicate.

 

 

 

That being said however, I think it's fantastic that you've found

something

that works for you and I would love to hear your experience with

this, and

more of the technique.

 

 

 

Yes, Guru is vargottama, AND in 5H in Rasi, 9H in Navamsa, as well

Sun,

which is karaka for body, is very strong in Rasi and in exaltation in

Navama. This also shows via his career and that Sun is in 10H rasi

chart.

And natal ascendant is in Sun's star. However there are a couple

nakshatra

parivartanas going on, do you think these have any affect on this?

Sun and

Moon are in nakshatra parivartana - AND Guru and Shukra are in

nakshatra

parivartana as well. Does this alter this at all with respect to the

dasas

at time of crash? I am hoping to learn from this excellent example

and

chart. What are your thoughts regarding the nakshatra parivartana of

Jupiter

and Venus? (As well as the Sun and Moon.) Does this affect this

situation at

all?

 

 

 

In natal chart Sun, Mars and Rahu are in Moon's stars.

 

 

 

On day of accident it's intriguing given what you've said below, that

only

planet in Sun's star is Jupiter, and Sun is final depositor of crash

chart.

(As I wrote earlier, Sun in Moolatrikona position, however gandanta

as

well).

 

 

 

It is definitely possible he survived crash and then do you believe

it

possible he would have passed in Saturn Mahadasa? Sounds like you

think he

lived beyond this dasa as well.

 

 

 

My favorite and much used significator book is, Dictionary of

Significators

in Astrology, by Umang Taneja and P K Sarna. Yes, I think that this

gives

Korea for Scorpio is very interesting given all you've said regarding

his

possible captivity.

 

 

 

I eagerly await what Wendy and others can offer as well on this case,

as

well as see your thoughts on the nakshatra parivartanas. Still at

time of

reported plane crash dasas are JU/MO/VE/SA dasas..

 

 

 

Many thanks and best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

_____

 

 

Hi Patrice,

 

Thanks for your analysis and inputs.

 

Based on my research so far, one thing I am confident

about is that death has not taken place during Guru

mahadasha. Guru being a satvik planet is vargottama

and retrograde as well! This status of Guru prevents

death during Guru mahadasha. Probably other conditions

were so severe that Netaji came close to death and yet

did not die due to Guru, and only saw death around

him.

 

//He would have been 48 years old at the time of the

crash. But why would the Koreans keep him in captivity

for another 25 years? If he lived, and was freed, why

would he not have re-surfaced and contacted family,

etc..?//

 

My question is whether he was really freed. Though it

is difficult accept this, there is a high probability

if he was kept in North Korea.

 

Your note on Scorpio being the Significator for Korea

is interesting. Can you please sahre the details of

this book?

 

Regards

Krishna

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Hi Dear Wendy,

 

 

 

Ahhhhh, is always so great to see your clear thoughts and view in a chart..

 

 

 

My personal thoughts are that he did pass on this day and in the air

accident. For these very excellent reasons you've written below along with

many other reasons. To me it just keeps repeating itself and with much

confluence... In my last post I am saying to Krishna that really anything is

possible and address what Krishna had said as far as his confidence with the

death could not have taken place in Jupiter Mahadasa. I personally don't

to Jupiter not allowing death in his dasa even if he is strong in

a chart. As you have keenly said, this perhaps is more a 'textbook

interpretation' of Jupiter. but I agree, I have not seen this to be true in

my experience.

 

 

 

Reason for different dasas on 18 Aug 1945, is that I use Krishnamurti

ayanamsa. In this ayanamsa it is given as JU-MO-VE-SA-JU. Yes, Wendy,

brilliant regarding the ownership of both marakastahanas by Venus and this

transit in the 3H. This also along with being conjoined with Rahu and then

too the fact that all planets, other than Mars, are caught between

Rahu/Ketu, and this on the 3/9 axis. And Mars in Mars star.

 

 

 

I was eager to hear your thoughts as well Wendy and solely using traditional

Jyotish, which is something you are extremely good at. I note the outer

planets due to making it more clear for myself, but I love to see your take

always, and clarity, as you are able to show this better with no need to use

the outer planets. My way of looking at the chart however does also shout

out the air accident and this death. To know this absolutely though and for

me to say to Krishna that it is not possible that he lived, I couldn't do

this as no one can absolutely know, and anything is possible.

 

 

 

Just trying to clarify all. All peace and best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

________

 

Dear Patrice and Krishna,

 

We should look at the implications of Jupiter for this chart

specifically... Please note THIS Jupiter owns both 12th from lagna

and 12th from lagna karaka (Sun). And don't forget that 9th house

(Jupiter's moolatrikona) signifies 'travels by air'. Transits on the

day of accident certainly do show the possibility of death.

 

Unfortunately I'm only at the computer briefly and don't have time to

delve into this any more (at the moment)...will get back when I can.

In the meantime though please do try to look at this chart again

without holding too much to broad textbook interpretations.

 

BTW Patrice my software gives JU-MO-VE-JU-VE on 18 Aug 1945?? Venus,

owning 2nd/7th marakasthanas, is, significantly, transiting 3rd house

along with Saturn & Rahu - both VE/SA transiting nakshatra of

Jupiter.

 

Must leave this here for now, sorry...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com

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Dear Patrice,

 

//I personally don't to Jupiter not allowing death in his

dasa even if he is strong in a chart. As you have keenly said, this

perhaps is more a 'textbook

interpretation' of Jupiter. but I agree, I have not seen this to be

true in

my experience.//

 

I remember some years ago, on Andrew's list, we were discussing the

chart of a young intern who had gone missing. I remember her name was

Chandra and she was going through a dasa (or sub-dasa?) of Jupiter in

8th house. Pundit Navaratnam was emphatic that she was only

missing -not dead, as Jupiter would keep her safe. I disagreed

(quietly - not to antagonise Pundit) and as it turned out she was in

fact dead. Unfortunately I don't seem to have her chart on file any

longer, more's the pity as it would make an interesting comparison

with this chart.

 

I point it out now to emphasise the fact that death can indeed occur

during a Jupiter period....

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

 

-

"Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net>

<jyotish-vidya>

Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:15 AM

RE: Need help reading Netaji's Chart

 

 

Hi Dear Wendy,

 

 

Ahhhhh, is always so great to see your clear thoughts and view in a

chart..

 

 

 

My personal thoughts are that he did pass on this day and in the air

accident. For these very excellent reasons you've written below along

with

many other reasons. To me it just keeps repeating itself and with

much

confluence... In my last post I am saying to Krishna that really

anything is

possible and address what Krishna had said as far as his confidence

with the

death could not have taken place in Jupiter Mahadasa. I personally

don't

to Jupiter not allowing death in his dasa even if he is

strong in

a chart. As you have keenly said, this perhaps is more a 'textbook

interpretation' of Jupiter. but I agree, I have not seen this to be

true in

my experience.

 

 

 

Reason for different dasas on 18 Aug 1945, is that I use Krishnamurti

ayanamsa. In this ayanamsa it is given as JU-MO-VE-SA-JU. Yes, Wendy,

brilliant regarding the ownership of both marakastahanas by Venus and

this

transit in the 3H. This also along with being conjoined with Rahu and

then

too the fact that all planets, other than Mars, are caught between

Rahu/Ketu, and this on the 3/9 axis. And Mars in Mars star.

 

 

 

I was eager to hear your thoughts as well Wendy and solely using

traditional

Jyotish, which is something you are extremely good at. I note the

outer

planets due to making it more clear for myself, but I love to see

your take

always, and clarity, as you are able to show this better with no need

to use

the outer planets. My way of looking at the chart however does also

shout

out the air accident and this death. To know this absolutely though

and for

me to say to Krishna that it is not possible that he lived, I

couldn't do

this as no one can absolutely know, and anything is possible.

 

 

 

Just trying to clarify all. All peace and best wishes,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

________

 

Dear Patrice and Krishna,

 

We should look at the implications of Jupiter for this chart

specifically... Please note THIS Jupiter owns both 12th from lagna

and 12th from lagna karaka (Sun). And don't forget that 9th house

(Jupiter's moolatrikona) signifies 'travels by air'. Transits on the

day of accident certainly do show the possibility of death.

 

Unfortunately I'm only at the computer briefly and don't have time to

delve into this any more (at the moment)...will get back when I can.

In the meantime though please do try to look at this chart again

without holding too much to broad textbook interpretations.

 

BTW Patrice my software gives JU-MO-VE-JU-VE on 18 Aug 1945?? Venus,

owning 2nd/7th marakasthanas is, significantly, transiting 3rd house

along with Saturn & Rahu - both VE/SA transiting nakshatra of

Jupiter.

 

Must leave this here for now, sorry...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com

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Dear Patrice and All,

 

I've just located the chart I referred to on AstroDatabank

(http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/LevyChandra.htm). It was some years

ago that I looked at this chart and (mistakenly) had in mind Jupiter

in 8th...what I did remember clearly was Pundit's conviction that

Jupiter would keep her safe.

 

At the time of her last sighting she was running dasa of SA-VE-MO-KE.

Saturn owning 8th was transiting her Jupiter (in Taurus) along with

transit Jupiter. This must have been the reason behind Pundit's

statement that Jupiter would keep her safe?? Interesting that in this

chart, Jupiter (again) owns 12th from lagna karaka Sun.

 

Bhukti lord Venus, dispositor of JU/RA occupies 12th from Sun, PD

lord Moon occupies 8th along with Mars etc..

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

 

-

"Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au>

<jyotish-vidya>

Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:16 AM

Re: Need help reading Netaji's Chart

 

 

Dear Patrice,

 

//I personally don't to Jupiter not allowing death in his

dasa even if he is strong in a chart. As you have keenly said, this

perhaps is more a 'textbook interpretation' of Jupiter. but I agree,

I have not seen this to be true in my experience.//

 

I remember some years ago, on Andrew's list, we were discussing the

chart of a young intern who had gone missing. I remember her name was

Chandra and she was going through a dasa (or sub-dasa?) of Jupiter in

8th house. Pundit Navaratnam was emphatic that she was only

missing -not dead, as Jupiter would keep her safe. I disagreed

(quietly - not to antagonise Pundit) and as it turned out she was in

fact dead. Unfortunately I don't seem to have her chart on file any

longer, more's the pity as it would make an interesting comparison

with this chart.

 

I point it out now to emphasise the fact that death can indeed occur

during a Jupiter period....

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Hi Patrice,

 

I understand that it is extremely difficult to predict

any such event with 100% certainity. Yet, I chose

death as my first area of study as it is the easiest

to cross verify my prediction without any ambiguity.

 

I am getting success in about 80% of the charts I have

studied. That means, I need to look for some more

holes in my technique. I will definitely share the

details once I am able to improve my technique

further.

 

In those charts I have studied so far, death

definitely does not takes place in the dasha of a

planet which is both vargottama and retrograde (with

an exception to Saturn and that too only under special

conditions). That is why I am confident that the death

has not taken place during Guru dasha. I could be

totally wrong on this and that could be the hole I

need to fix. I will correct my theory if I come across

one chart where death has taken place during the dasha

of a planet which is both vargottama and retrograde.

Also, it is possible that I should look at some of the

things that you are pointing out. That could be one of

the missing pieces in my theory.

 

Secondly, Looking at the afflictions to Lagna and

Chandra, I can only classify this chart under purnayu

category. There are no serious afflictions to Lagna

and Chandra. If he is a purnayu, he could not have

died before 72 years of age.

 

I have little clue about nakshtra parivartanas. I

would be keen to learn if you could please give me

some pointers.

 

Karveji is right when says that "Only God knows when

one will pass over". And, my belief is that, that

knowledge about death is codified in the chart and one

day human beings will be able to get that knowledge.

 

Please pardon me if my response has any shades of

arrogance, as that is not what I my intention is. I

understand that I am just opening my eyes in the field

of astrology and have a long way to go.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote:

 

> Hi Krishna,

>

>

>

> Thanks for your thoughts here. This is greatly

> educational for me.

>

>

>

> It would be interesting for you to share your

> technique for showing length

> of life. Personally, I've noted that I am unable to

> differentiate whether

> condition of chart shows, as you've said, extreme

> conditions very close to

> death, versus death itself in charts. Also, in my

> experience, I've found

> this to be true in general with astrologers as even

> with renowned

> astrologers like Richard Houck who wrote "Astrology

> of Death", he was

> incorrect for instance on his own death. Yogi

> Karveji told me that "Only God

> knows when one will pass over."

>

>

>

> Once someone has died we can go back and see it

> clearly as again the extreme

> conditions are there. Before however, or in this

> instance, not knowing, I

> hesitate to say which it would indicate.

>

>

>

> That being said however, I think it's fantastic

> that you've found something

> that works for you and I would love to hear your

> experience with this, and

> more of the technique.

>

>

>

> Yes, Guru is vargottama, AND in 5H in Rasi, 9H in

> Navamsa, as well Sun,

> which is karaka for body, is very strong in Rasi and

> in exaltation in

> Navama. This also shows via his career and that Sun

> is in 10H rasi chart.

> And natal ascendant is in Sun's star. However there

> are a couple nakshatra

> parivartanas going on, do you think these have any

> affect on this? Sun and

> Moon are in nakshatra parivartana - AND Guru and

> Shukra are in nakshatra

> parivartana as well. Does this alter this at all

> with respect to the dasas

> at time of crash? I am hoping to learn from this

> excellent example and

> chart. What are your thoughts regarding the

> nakshatra parivartana of Jupiter

> and Venus? (As well as the Sun and Moon.) Does this

> affect this situation at

> all?

>

>

>

> In natal chart Sun, Mars and Rahu are in Moon's

> stars.

>

>

>

> On day of accident it's intriguing given what you've

> said below, that only

> planet in Sun's star is Jupiter, and Sun is final

> depositor of crash chart.

> (As I wrote earlier, Sun in Moolatrikona position,

> however gandanta as

> well).

>

>

>

> It is definitely possible he survived crash and then

> do you believe it

> possible he would have passed in Saturn Mahadasa?

> Sounds like you think he

> lived beyond this dasa as well.

>

>

>

> My favorite and much used significator book is,

> Dictionary of Significators

> in Astrology, by Umang Taneja and P K Sarna. Yes, I

> think that this gives

> Korea for Scorpio is very interesting given all

> you've said regarding his

> possible captivity.

>

>

>

> I eagerly await what Wendy and others can offer as

> well on this case, as

> well as see your thoughts on the nakshatra

> parivartanas. Still at time of

> reported plane crash dasas are JU/MO/VE/SA dasas..

>

>

>

> Many thanks and best wishes,

>

> Patrice

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

>

> Hi Patrice,

>

> Thanks for your analysis and inputs.

>

> Based on my research so far, one thing I am

> confident

> about is that death has not taken place during Guru

> mahadasha. Guru being a satvik planet is vargottama

> and retrograde as well! This status of Guru prevents

> death during Guru mahadasha. Probably other

> conditions

> were so severe that Netaji came close to death and

> yet

> did not die due to Guru, and only saw death around

> him.

>

> //He would have been 48 years old at the time of the

> crash. But why would the Koreans keep him in

> captivity

> for another 25 years? If he lived, and was freed,

> why

> would he not have re-surfaced and contacted family,

> etc..?//

>

> My question is whether he was really freed. Though

> it

> is difficult accept this, there is a high

> probability

> if he was kept in North Korea.

>

> Your note on Scorpio being the Significator for

> Korea

> is interesting. Can you please sahre the details of

> this book?

>

> Regards

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Wendy,

 

//I point it out now to emphasise the fact that death

can indeed occur during a Jupiter period....//

 

I agree with you that death can occur during Jupiter

period. I have come across many charts to support

this. In fact, my father passed away during Jupiter

sub period. My claim is that death will not happen

during Jupiter period when Jupiter is both vargottama

and retrograde.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

 

> Dear Patrice,

>

> //I personally don't to Jupiter not

> allowing death in his

> dasa even if he is strong in a chart. As you have

> keenly said, this

> perhaps is more a 'textbook

> interpretation' of Jupiter. but I agree, I have not

> seen this to be

> true in

> my experience.//

>

> I remember some years ago, on Andrew's list, we were

> discussing the

> chart of a young intern who had gone missing. I

> remember her name was

> Chandra and she was going through a dasa (or

> sub-dasa?) of Jupiter in

> 8th house. Pundit Navaratnam was emphatic that she

> was only

> missing -not dead, as Jupiter would keep her safe. I

> disagreed

> (quietly - not to antagonise Pundit) and as it

> turned out she was in

> fact dead. Unfortunately I don't seem to have her

> chart on file any

> longer, more's the pity as it would make an

> interesting comparison

> with this chart.

>

> I point it out now to emphasise the fact that death

> can indeed occur

> during a Jupiter period....

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

> -

> "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net>

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:15 AM

> RE: Need help reading

> Netaji's Chart

>

>

> Hi Dear Wendy,

>

>

> Ahhhhh, is always so great to see your clear

> thoughts and view in a

> chart..

>

>

>

> My personal thoughts are that he did pass on this

> day and in the air

> accident. For these very excellent reasons you've

> written below along

> with

> many other reasons. To me it just keeps repeating

> itself and with

> much

> confluence... In my last post I am saying to Krishna

> that really

> anything is

> possible and address what Krishna had said as far as

> his confidence

> with the

> death could not have taken place in Jupiter

> Mahadasa. I personally

> don't

> to Jupiter not allowing death in his dasa

> even if he is

> strong in

> a chart. As you have keenly said, this perhaps is

> more a 'textbook

> interpretation' of Jupiter. but I agree, I have not

> seen this to be

> true in

> my experience.

>

>

>

> Reason for different dasas on 18 Aug 1945, is that I

> use Krishnamurti

> ayanamsa. In this ayanamsa it is given as

> JU-MO-VE-SA-JU. Yes, Wendy,

> brilliant regarding the ownership of both

> marakastahanas by Venus and

> this

> transit in the 3H. This also along with being

> conjoined with Rahu and

> then

> too the fact that all planets, other than Mars, are

> caught between

> Rahu/Ketu, and this on the 3/9 axis. And Mars in

> Mars star.

>

>

>

> I was eager to hear your thoughts as well Wendy and

> solely using

> traditional

> Jyotish, which is something you are extremely good

> at. I note the

> outer

> planets due to making it more clear for myself, but

> I love to see

> your take

> always, and clarity, as you are able to show this

> better with no need

> to use

> the outer planets. My way of looking at the chart

> however does also

> shout

> out the air accident and this death. To know this

> absolutely though

> and for

> me to say to Krishna that it is not possible that he

> lived, I

> couldn't do

> this as no one can absolutely know, and anything is

> possible.

>

>

>

> Just trying to clarify all. All peace and best

> wishes,

>

> Patrice

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________

>

> Dear Patrice and Krishna,

>

> We should look at the implications of Jupiter for

> this chart

> specifically... Please note THIS Jupiter owns both

> 12th from lagna

> and 12th from lagna karaka (Sun). And don't forget

> that 9th house

> (Jupiter's moolatrikona) signifies 'travels by air'.

> Transits on the

> day of accident certainly do show the possibility of

> death.

>

> Unfortunately I'm only at the computer briefly and

> don't have time to

> delve into this any more (at the moment)...will get

> back when I can.

> In the meantime though please do try to look at this

> chart again

> without holding too much to broad textbook

> interpretations.

>

> BTW Patrice my software gives JU-MO-VE-JU-VE on 18

> Aug 1945?? Venus,

> owning 2nd/7th marakasthanas is, significantly,

> transiting 3rd house

> along with Saturn & Rahu - both VE/SA transiting

> nakshatra of

> Jupiter.

>

> Must leave this here for now, sorry...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com

> ______________________________

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Krishna,

 

//In those charts I have studied so far, death

definitely does not takes place in the dasha of a

planet which is both vargottama and retrograde (with

an exception to Saturn and that too only under special

conditions). That is why I am confident that the death

has not taken place during Guru dasha.//

 

Every chart is unique and must be looked upon as such. In the said

chart, Jupiter occupies nakshatra of maraka lord Venus and is also

aspected by Venus himself... maraka qualities visited upon Jupiter.

As we know, the native was running dasa of JU-MO-VE-JU-VE.

 

Here's what Parashara says (Ch.56) about the effect of a Venus

sub-period in a period of Jupiter:

 

"48-50. Loss of wealth, fear of PREMATURE DEATH, antagonism with wife

etc. will be experienced, if Sukr is Dhan's, or Yuvati's Lord. The

remedial measure to obtain relief from these evil effects is giving a

tawny-coloured cow, or a female buffalo in charity."

 

(Dhana and Yuvati are 2nd/7th bhavas respectively.) Also note that

this Venus (who has the ability to bring death) sits in nakshatra of

Jupiter who, owning 12th from both lagna and lagna karaka, is a

significator for air travel due to his lordship of 9th house.

 

Look also at Saturn's aspect on lagna karaka, lagna lord and Jupiter.

This Saturn (in 8th) dispositor of maraka Venus, is a trishadaya

lord...malefic to Ascendant. Also Saturn is in sign of great enemy

(in 8th) which diminishes longevity. The relationship between Saturn

and Mars is adverse for both...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

 

-

"Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 >

<jyotish-vidya>

Sunday, June 11, 2006 2:18 PM

RE: Need help reading Netaji's Chart

 

 

Hi Patrice,

 

I understand that it is extremely difficult to predict

any such event with 100% certainity. Yet, I chose

death as my first area of study as it is the easiest

to cross verify my prediction without any ambiguity.

 

I am getting success in about 80% of the charts I have

studied. That means, I need to look for some more

holes in my technique. I will definitely share the

details once I am able to improve my technique

further.

 

In those charts I have studied so far, death

definitely does not takes place in the dasha of a

planet which is both vargottama and retrograde (with

an exception to Saturn and that too only under special

conditions). That is why I am confident that the death

has not taken place during Guru dasha. I could be

totally wrong on this and that could be the hole I

need to fix. I will correct my theory if I come across

one chart where death has taken place during the dasha

of a planet which is both vargottama and retrograde.

Also, it is possible that I should look at some of the

things that you are pointing out. That could be one of

the missing pieces in my theory.

 

Secondly, Looking at the afflictions to Lagna and

Chandra, I can only classify this chart under purnayu

category. There are no serious afflictions to Lagna

and Chandra. If he is a purnayu, he could not have

died before 72 years of age.

 

I have little clue about nakshtra parivartanas. I

would be keen to learn if you could please give me

some pointers.

 

Karveji is right when says that "Only God knows when

one will pass over". And, my belief is that, that

knowledge about death is codified in the chart and one

day human beings will be able to get that knowledge.

 

Please pardon me if my response has any shades of

arrogance, as that is not what I my intention is. I

understand that I am just opening my eyes in the field

of astrology and have a long way to go.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote:

 

> Hi Krishna,

>

>

>

> Thanks for your thoughts here. This is greatly

> educational for me.

>

>

>

> It would be interesting for you to share your

> technique for showing length

> of life. Personally, I've noted that I am unable to

> differentiate whether

> condition of chart shows, as you've said, extreme

> conditions very close to

> death, versus death itself in charts. Also, in my

> experience, I've found

> this to be true in general with astrologers as even

> with renowned

> astrologers like Richard Houck who wrote "Astrology

> of Death", he was

> incorrect for instance on his own death. Yogi

> Karveji told me that "Only God

> knows when one will pass over."

>

>

>

> Once someone has died we can go back and see it

> clearly as again the extreme

> conditions are there. Before however, or in this

> instance, not knowing, I

> hesitate to say which it would indicate.

>

>

>

> That being said however, I think it's fantastic

> that you've found something

> that works for you and I would love to hear your

> experience with this, and

> more of the technique.

>

>

>

> Yes, Guru is vargottama, AND in 5H in Rasi, 9H in

> Navamsa, as well Sun,

> which is karaka for body, is very strong in Rasi and

> in exaltation in

> Navama. This also shows via his career and that Sun

> is in 10H rasi chart.

> And natal ascendant is in Sun's star. However there

> are a couple nakshatra

> parivartanas going on, do you think these have any

> affect on this? Sun and

> Moon are in nakshatra parivartana - AND Guru and

> Shukra are in nakshatra

> parivartana as well. Does this alter this at all

> with respect to the dasas

> at time of crash? I am hoping to learn from this

> excellent example and

> chart. What are your thoughts regarding the

> nakshatra parivartana of Jupiter

> and Venus? (As well as the Sun and Moon.) Does this

> affect this situation at

> all?

>

>

>

> In natal chart Sun, Mars and Rahu are in Moon's

> stars.

>

>

>

> On day of accident it's intriguing given what you've

> said below, that only

> planet in Sun's star is Jupiter, and Sun is final

> depositor of crash chart.

> (As I wrote earlier, Sun in Moolatrikona position,

> however gandanta as

> well).

>

>

>

> It is definitely possible he survived crash and then

> do you believe it

> possible he would have passed in Saturn Mahadasa?

> Sounds like you think he

> lived beyond this dasa as well.

>

>

>

> My favorite and much used significator book is,

> Dictionary of Significators

> in Astrology, by Umang Taneja and P K Sarna. Yes, I

> think that this gives

> Korea for Scorpio is very interesting given all

> you've said regarding his

> possible captivity.

>

>

>

> I eagerly await what Wendy and others can offer as

> well on this case, as

> well as see your thoughts on the nakshatra

> parivartanas. Still at time of

> reported plane crash dasas are JU/MO/VE/SA dasas..

>

>

>

> Many thanks and best wishes,

>

> Patrice

>

_____

>

>

>

> Hi Patrice,

>

> Thanks for your analysis and inputs.

>

> Based on my research so far, one thing I am

> confident

> about is that death has not taken place during Guru

> mahadasha. Guru being a satvik planet is vargottama

> and retrograde as well! This status of Guru prevents

> death during Guru mahadasha. Probably other

> conditions

> were so severe that Netaji came close to death and

> yet

> did not die due to Guru, and only saw death around

> him.

>

> //He would have been 48 years old at the time of the

> crash. But why would the Koreans keep him in

> captivity

> for another 25 years? If he lived, and was freed,

> why

> would he not have re-surfaced and contacted family,

> etc..?//

>

> My question is whether he was really freed. Though

> it

> is difficult accept this, there is a high

> probability

> if he was kept in North Korea.

>

> Your note on Scorpio being the Significator for

> Korea

> is interesting. Can you please sahre the details of

> this book?

>

> Regards

> Krishna

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> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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