Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Sorry it took a bit longer to get the drawing scanned. Here is the text. The file in the library area contains a few diagrams to help understand the issue: A recent discussion on the Jyotish remedies board prompted this little piece written by me, as promised. It is a widely held belief that the sidereal and tropical zodiacs are similar to two rings that twirl at a very slow rate completing one turn in approximately 25500 years or so and this then gives rise to the wildly debated matter of ayanamsha, the precessional correction to be applied to the synetic vernal point or simply stated, the moment of vernal equinox (in northern hemisphere) which determines the starting point of the tropical zodiac used in western astrology – and gives rise to the sun-signs which has prompted the writing of many books to describe it. A thought was presented to indicate that this widely held belief may not be correct and perhaps the two zodiacs never really meet! Some basic facts now: The zodiac named so for the animal shapes (zoon=animal) is a belt of stars that lie close to the annual path of the sun. The sun is not really moving but the earth goes around it and we project that motion through our geocentric vantage and depict this as the sun's motion through the 12 signs. The sun also has a declinational movement. It moves 28 degrees north from equator and 28 degrees south, through any given year. Again, this is not the sun moving but the earth's tilted rotation giving this impression. When we are on one side of the sun, (See panel A in the diagramme), say in December, the northern hemisphere is tilting away from the sun, while the southern hemisphere is closer to the sun. This gives winter in the north and summer in the southern hemisphere at that time of the year. When the earth is on the other side of the sun, say in June, the opposite happens. The north is closer to the sun and the south is farther away, reversing the seasons – summer in the north, winter in the south. At the equator itself, the seasons do not change significantly because it remains at pretty much the same distance from the sun, throughout the year while the north and south seasaw around it. The equator is at the fulcrum or pivotal point, if you can visualize it so. So if you visualize and project this 56 degree wide apparent path of the sun onto the sky, the stars falling within that belt are known as the zodiac. When we look up in the sky and see this belt with the animal shapes, this represents the nirayana (without ayan or declinational movement of the sun) zodiac. When you are looking up and seeing the shape of a scorpion in the sky, your are looking at the sidereal (made out of stars) scorpio, or nirayana scorpio. This is the zodiac that we jyotishs use. This is the what you see is what you get zodiac. There should be no confusion about this. This zodiac is also known as the fixed zodiac and does not move over a long period of time (relatively speaking). However, there is strong indication of the universe expanding and thus stars are moving with respect to each other. This motion is infinitismally slow and maybe in a billion years or more, the starry shapes in the sky would be different. I would let the astrologers of the future (if they still exist) worry about that. For us for thousands of years, we will have the same fixed zodiac peering down at us, when we look up. Now let us look at the tropical or western zodiac. In a sense it is not a zodiac that has links to stars, unlike the sidereal zodiac. There is no orientation point to trace, up there. This is important to understand and remember. The tropical zodiac is also related to seasons. During the wobbly path of the earth which moves around the sun, there are four seasonal orientation points of importance. At spring and autumn, there are two days when the days are equal to nights in duration. These are the vernal or spring equinox and the autumnal equinox. Please note that the seasonal reference is for the northern hemisphere. On these very days, while spring and autumn will begin in the north, the opposite season, namely, autumn and spring will begin in the southern hemisphere (so for the south these same points would represent autumnal equinox and vernal equinox). It can all get very confusing for the beginner or dabbler. For simplicity, people take these equinoctial days on fixed dates each year but in actuality, the dates could vary by a few days from year to year (the day when the day and night is actually equal). The other two points are the solstices, the points at which the north hemisphere is at its closest or farthest from the sun, giving rise to the longest or shortest day in the year (summer and winter). It pays to repeat that this is all because of the tilted axis of the earth in respect to the sun. The confusing part is that the tropical zodiac uses the same naming convention or aries, taurus etc – even though those names are not related to the constellations in the sky. This is interpreted by people as being a carryover from the beginnings of tropical astrology, a couple of thousand years ago when the two zodiacs coincided and sidereal aries zero was at the same point where tropical aries zero was. Another way of describing this is that the point of vernal equinox (tropical aries zero) happened on the same day when sun entered the aries constellation according to the sidereal zodiac. Over a period of years this coincidence slips because the beginning of the seasonal zodiac (vernal equinox) moves forward. While the nirayana, sidereal, jyotish zodiac is fixed, the seasonal zodiac keeps moving. This happens extremely slowly. Why does it happen? Imagine the earth as it goes around the sun. Due to varying gravitational pulls on it, as the other heavenly bodies pull and push the earth, it wobbles ever so slowly, like a top (lattoo). Over a peiod of thousands of years, this wobbles changes the relationship with the sun. The axis of earth which is now tilting about 23.3 degrees away from the sun (during December) would after some 13000 years be tilting about 23.3 degrees towards the sun (during December). See panel B for a visual representation. So, at that time, in future, the northern hemisphere will experience summer in December and Winter in June! The vernal equinox that in in March now, will be in September 13000 years in future! If the same convention is followed then by tropical astrologers, then tropical aries would be in September or actually, sun would be considered in tropical aries in September. As the earth wobbles around its axis like a top, please note that the top part of the earth or north pole wobbles a lot more than the south pole. The movement of the axis is like an icecream cone, fixed at the bottom and more wobbly at the top. As the pole wobbles, it would over a long period of time, point at a different north star! Our current pole star will not remain the pole star 13000 years in future. We will have a different one to look up to. Now please take a look at the panel C and pardon me for my sloppy drawing abilities. This is a bit complex picture which shows a bird's eye view (top-down) of the sun and earth and the ecliptic belt or sidereal, fixed zodiac surrounding it. The signs are depicted in a counterclockwise progression (like the north indian kundali). Picture for a second from the other end and you can visualize the arrangement in a clockwise fashion (like the south indian kundali). I have written about it elsewhere. So as the earth spins counterclockwise, the signs rise and set and give the lagnas. The earth moves around the sun and we perceive this as the sun entering and leaving the different sidereal signs and so on. The current vernal equinox is when sun is in the first part of sidereal pisces, in 13000 years it would be when sun is in the first few degrees of sidereal virgo. Please note that it is paradoxical that though sidereal zodiac is the visible one, its orienting point does not exist. There is no known star at sidereal aries zero. Hence other stars such as revati (zeta piscicum) and chitra (spica) have been utilized to justify one or the other ayanamsha. Some have also taken the galactic centre as an orientation point (this takes into account the even slower expansion of the universe and perhaps goes even beyond the zodiac as we know it today and indeed `see' it today. So, I hope this article reduces the confusion a bit. The tropical zodiac or seasonal orientation point does move against the fixed, immovable, starry zodiac and as seasons shift, so does the tropical orientation point known as tropical aries zero which then describes the western zodiac that uses the same symbolic names and extent of the signs, without those matching the ones in the sky. Thus the confusion. 2006-06-10 (Rohiniranjan) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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