Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 PLS STOP IT THIS IS A GROUP DEDICATED TO ASTROLOGICAL DISCUSSION DONT MISUSE IT TO SPREAD COMMUNAL HATREAD& FALSE NEWS The agitating medical students themselves have cleared that such a news is false&no student had such a fate. There are thousands of other groups in to spread yor ideas Pls dont make this group malicious Om Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya: Surya hetuls <hetuls > wrote: Mail from AIIMS student Dear friends please spend some time to read this. U can make a difference. As u all guys know that there have been lots of protests going on against the raise in reservations. All of us struggle for months and years to make our dreams come true; No body in the government is bothered about that. This new policy of govt ll be a major road block in the development of our nation and creation of a caste free society. I want to share some developments occurring here with respect to this issue. About 2 weeks back the Students Union (SU) of AIIMS (UGs and Interns) started the protests. They held peaceful march. Their main demand was to meet Honbl. Arjun Singh and to express their concern regarding the hike in reservations. What they got in return. Water canons, tear gas shells and Lathis. Some of the interns who were beaten were my friends and i could see their injury marks. Worse, some were girls. Sad isn't it? Well next few days due to their constant struggle they could get to meet Dr Arjun Singh. No positive response was obtained. He however promised that before sending the bill to cabinet, he would inform the SU. The students continued to boycott their classes. Other medical colleges of Delhi also joined. We Resident Doctors of AIIMS however were not actively participating. We wore black badges and attended few rallies. 12 th May saw a new beginning. Our medical students were brutally assaulted by Delhi police. Injured were brought to AIIMS. Fracture hand bone, head injury, blunt trauma abdomen with intra-abdominal bleed; > 300 students were manhandled including girls, stuffed in buses and taken to police station. I remember the dialogue from RDB. This incident will prove to be a final nail in coffin for our Congress Govt . At around 3 pm the Resident Doctors Association (RDA) of AIIMS announced an indefinite strike. All Junior Residents (Acad or Non-acad) & Senior Residents boycotted. Protest rally was organized that day. 13 th may was the worst day in the history of our Indian Independence and so called Democracy. Medical Students of Mumbai were beaten like animals. Infact animals also are never treated like this. Every body would have witness the brutalities of the Mumbai Police .17 - 18 year old medical students were beaten up. Future of our country treated like this? And these are the same Police Men who come to our OPD and ask for preferential treatment. Shame on them. And listen to what Bhujbal said on TV. I thought we need a real RDB now. This incident triggered the suppressed fire in each and every individual. We at AIIMS went on INDEFINITE HUNGER STRIKE from 14 th morning joined by medical students from MAMC Delhi, Lady Harding, RML Hosp, Rohtak Medical College. Slowly the fire spread to different states of our country. You know what happened in Blore. Calcutta, Orissa, Chattisgarh, Gujarat, Himachal Pradesh, Kerala boiled in protests. Students of Delhi University (BSc BCom...) also joined the strike The hunger strike in AIIMS continues. More than 100 students and residents are sitting in the heat since 14 th morning just on plain water. Believe me we slept in the open last night empty stomach. Its only when rain started pouring we had go inside the Audi and slept there. The IMA has announced complete medical bandh today (15 Th may). Doctors from all over Delhi have come to AIIMS and are holding protests. IITs and IIMs have joined the strike. Even patients and their attendees were of full support towards this cause. One man said," My father is admitted in NS department and is fighting for his life and death, but i declare that I have no objection with ur strike. I support your movement and the cause for which u re fighting. Our country needed this." All of us know what is right and what is wrong. Having said that i feel that each one of us should follow our conscience. I have written this message because i felt there are many of who might not be aware of the exact situation. I request each one of u to please forward this to all your friends, Medicos or Non-medicos. Every common man needs to be aware of the injustice and should be involved in this effort. This Movement will be a revolution in our independent country and will be the most significant event after the British Rule. It ll be the cause for the rewriting of Indian Constitution where just and meritorious people are not singled out and put to taste the adversities and someone else enjoys the benefit . The government cannot hide its inadequacies in providing equal opportunities to the under privileged in rural areas by increasing the reservations. They have ruled the country for so many decades and if in this time they are not able to provide equality in primary and secondary education for Indian citizens they cannot mask their failure by providing reservations at each and every level. It's ridiculous. The whole issue of reservations was a political gimmick of the present govt to garner votes. Its time that things are not taken for granted by any one. Let it be a senior minister police or anyone else. Whole of our nation needs to get aware of the amount of hard work and sacrifice we put to achieve our dreams. We should not allow anyone to make a mockery of our struggle in future. Thank U Friends. Dr Kiran, Junior Resident, Internal Medicine, All India Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile./new/messenger/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Mr Prafullaji, Well said.But one more point to be noted is the current situation in our country wouldn't have faced such a situation if the intellectuals our country had had gone to serve in remote places in the fields of medical care,infrastructure development,industries etc.After having worked for about 10 years in remote areas in construction sites all over the country and through knowing from the general knowledge it's found that always top rankers/cream of talent/top college passouts always prefer consultance/design nature of jobs only shunning production/manufacturing/construction/remote area medical care etc etc.This is a kind of reservation policy practiced over the country over decades either for selfish ends or sometimes unknowingly.With our country endowed with enormous natural resources like water,iron,coal,minerals etc still majority are suffering in many fields and few fields are prospering at cost of others always singing the tune(decade after decade) that all our efforts are for bettering of all lives and our white collar craze is pathetic,and unpardonable nature.By blaming the fresh pass outs for this state of affairs is of no solution;it's the intellectual elders and politicians together take action atleast from nowonwards.To blame the youngsters in the name of their lack of will is a gross shirking of responsibility by the elders of the society,for it's they who has to decide the requirement of manpower in various sections of areas of fields.Is it not for a national reputed institute to say no to Karnataka Govt request to solve through their technical expertise the flooding of Bangalore city.What for our country's engineers are there for-just to solve US economy interests by serving them develop their undisturbed manufaturing base through software means and for a few dollars at it.By sitiing at table and occasional visit to field will solve the problems of the country.Say for eg if a mechanical engineer makes an equipment and observe within controlled parameters and later leaving to table monitoring will help in anyway.The same engineer(or group) if they continously monitor it in actual field operations ,then they will start getting ideas for improving its functional features and they will have a sense of great satisfaction for their achievements.This is how the western people have developed.whereas in our country it's reverse.The individual will start singing such moral tune (like how i'm doing) after reaching undislodgeable postion from a white collared /city based or well built furnished townships or runaway for cooler/greener pastures blaming the country.But one thing that the industrialists of this country has to realise is that the talent/intellectuals should be distributed in field as well as design/research/administartive jobs equally.If any body has interest to study such a line of thinking, please conduct a survey on the facts expressed above and all the people know who are to blame for this sorry state of affairs.If it's done so then everyone knows that caste is not the culprit .The caste was only the cause in the initials stages of development and for which the elders of earlier era has done well (by providing reservations)with good intentions .But if the above plans are implemented then even the supporters of such reservations will themselves say no to them;even in privacy many of the proreservations are not in reality supporting them,but due to above expressed facts which is causing slow and lopsided development is playing indirectly making for for such demands. Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Surya ji Sometimes, purpose is larger than the ethics; especially if an act is not harming (compared to the purpose, it can achieve). You mean to say, anti reservation movement is dividng the country. You must be joiking. It is reservation which is dividing the nation. People must learn to compete on merit, just like a human being must strive towards god. If the movement can educate through as many forums, where Indian nationals are participating - it is worth it. Afterall, anti reservation movement wants greater participation from rationalized society. I presume, we astrologers are rational ones; are not we? We can always stick to astrology, but any serious social / national issue precedes the routine discussions - just like spirituality (or lessons of spirituality) over astrology. regards / Prafulla Gang People may not remember what you did for them, or even what you said, but they will always remember how you made them feel. > > suryamight (AT) (DOT) co.in > Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:32:24 +0100 (BST) > > Re: Mail from AIIMS student:PLS STOP IT > > PLS STOP IT > THIS IS A GROUP DEDICATED TO ASTROLOGICAL DISCUSSION > DONT MISUSE IT TO SPREAD COMMUNAL HATREAD& FALSE NEWS > The agitating medical students themselves have cleared that such a news > is false&no student had such a fate. > There are thousands of other groups in to spread yor ideas > Pls dont make this group malicious > Om Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya: > Surya > > hetuls <hetuls > wrote: > Mail from AIIMS student > > Dear friends please spend some time to read this. U can make a > difference. > > As u all guys know that there have been lots of protests going on > against the raise in reservations. All of us struggle for months and > years to make our dreams come true; No body in the government is > bothered about that. This new policy of govt ll be a major road > block in the development of our nation and creation of a caste free > society. I want to share some developments occurring here with > respect to this issue. > > About 2 weeks back the Students Union (SU) of AIIMS (UGs and > Interns) started the protests. They held peaceful march. Their main > demand was to meet Honbl. Arjun Singh and to express their concern > regarding the hike in reservations. What they got in return. Water > canons, tear gas shells and Lathis. Some of the interns who were > beaten were my friends and i could see their injury marks. Worse, > some were girls. Sad isn't it? Well next few days due to their > constant struggle they could get to meet Dr Arjun Singh. No positive > response was obtained. He however promised that before sending the > bill to cabinet, he would inform the SU. The students continued to > boycott their classes. Other medical colleges of Delhi also joined. > We Resident Doctors of AIIMS however were not actively > participating. We wore black badges and attended few rallies. > > 12 th May saw a new beginning. Our medical students were brutally > assaulted by Delhi police. Injured were brought to AIIMS. Fracture > hand bone, head injury, blunt trauma abdomen with intra-abdominal > bleed; > 300 students were manhandled including girls, stuffed in > buses and taken to police station. I remember the dialogue from RDB. > This incident will prove to be a final nail in coffin for our > Congress Govt . At around 3 pm the Resident Doctors Association > (RDA) of AIIMS announced an indefinite strike. All Junior Residents > (Acad or Non-acad) & Senior Residents boycotted. Protest rally was > organized that day. > > 13 th may was the worst day in the history of our Indian > Independence and so called Democracy. Medical Students of Mumbai > were beaten like animals. Infact animals also are never treated like > this. Every body would have witness the brutalities of the Mumbai > Police .17 - 18 year old medical students were beaten up. Future of > our country treated like this? And these are the same Police Men who > come to our OPD and ask for preferential treatment. Shame on them. > And listen to what Bhujbal said on TV. I thought we need a real RDB > now. This incident triggered the suppressed fire in each and every > individual. We at AIIMS went on INDEFINITE HUNGER STRIKE from 14 th > morning joined by medical students from MAMC Delhi, Lady Harding, > RML Hosp, Rohtak Medical College. Slowly the fire spread to > different states of our country. You know what happened in Blore. > Calcutta, Orissa, Chattisgarh, Gujarat, Himachal Pradesh, Kerala > boiled in protests. Students of Delhi University (BSc BCom...) also > joined the strike > > The hunger strike in AIIMS continues. More than 100 students and > residents are sitting in the heat since 14 th morning just on plain > water. Believe me we slept in the open last night empty stomach. Its > only when rain started pouring we had go inside the Audi and slept > there. > > The IMA has announced complete medical bandh today (15 Th may). > Doctors from all over Delhi have come to AIIMS and are holding > protests. IITs and IIMs have joined the strike. Even patients and > their attendees were of full support towards this cause. One man > said," My father is admitted in NS department and is fighting for > his life and death, but i declare that I have no objection with ur > strike. I support your movement and the cause for which u re > fighting. Our country needed this." > > All of us know what is right and what is wrong. Having said that i > feel > that each one of us should follow our conscience. I have written > this message because i felt there are many of who might not be aware > of the exact > situation. I request each one of u to please forward this to all your > friends, Medicos or Non-medicos. Every common man needs to be aware > of the > injustice and should be involved in this effort. > > This Movement will be a revolution in our independent country and > will be the most significant event after the British Rule. It ll be > the cause for the rewriting of Indian Constitution where just and > meritorious people are not singled out and put to taste the > adversities and someone else enjoys the benefit . > > The government cannot hide its inadequacies in providing equal > opportunities to the under privileged in rural areas by increasing > the reservations. They have ruled the country for so many decades > and if in this time they are not able to provide equality in primary > and secondary education for Indian citizens they cannot mask their > failure by providing reservations at each and every level. It's > ridiculous. The whole issue of reservations was a political gimmick > of the present govt to garner votes. > > Its time that things are not taken for granted by any one. Let it be > a senior minister police or anyone else. Whole of our nation needs > to get aware of the amount of hard work and sacrifice we put to > achieve our dreams. We should not allow anyone to make a mockery of > our struggle in future. > > Thank U Friends. > > Dr Kiran, > Junior Resident, > Internal Medicine, > All India Institute of Medical Sciences, > New Delhi > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://in.messenger. > > Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. 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Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Prafulla, For what it is worth, your response is very appropriate and eye- opening and for what it is worth, I fully agree with you. As long as we live, work in and benefit from worldly reality (and I think that includes nearly everyone on this forum -- there being no computers and internet connections in any hermitage that I know of!) - - we must not forget our first duty to that reality even if it seems illusory or unreal to some. Some stark reminders where too many good people chose to remain silent and brought much pain to others and to themselves is nothing new and the world is full of examples like those. Quotas and reserved privileges are socially acceptable to a degree but only initially after a injustice has been carried out on a group of people, etc. Society after society, worldwide is full of examples where when this kind of benefit had been extended, endlessly, it has only taken the edge out of the will to compete and improve from such benefitted people. Some cynics say that these benefits are given on purpose by rulers and ruling parties -- to take the sense of pride out of the beings of such oppressed people. When under torture, there is something in the human spirit that wants to keep fighting back and succeeds. But do the opposite and the human spirit can soon be lulled into entirely loosing it! RR , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Surya ji > > Sometimes, purpose is larger than the ethics; especially if an act is not harming (compared to the purpose, it can achieve). You mean to say, anti reservation movement is dividng the country. You must be joiking. It is reservation which is dividing the nation. People must learn to compete on merit, just like a human being must strive towards god. > > If the movement can educate through as many forums, where Indian nationals are participating - it is worth it. Afterall, anti reservation movement wants greater participation from rationalized society. I presume, we astrologers are rational ones; are not we? > > We can always stick to astrology, but any serious social / national issue precedes the routine discussions - just like spirituality (or lessons of spirituality) over astrology. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > People may not remember what you did for them, or even what you said, but they will always remember how you made them feel. > > > > > > suryamight > > Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:32:24 +0100 (BST) > > > > Re: Mail from AIIMS student:PLS STOP IT > > > > PLS STOP IT > > THIS IS A GROUP DEDICATED TO ASTROLOGICAL DISCUSSION > > DONT MISUSE IT TO SPREAD COMMUNAL HATREAD& FALSE NEWS > > The agitating medical students themselves have cleared that such a news > > is false&no student had such a fate. > > There are thousands of other groups in to spread yor ideas > > Pls dont make this group malicious > > Om Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya: > > Surya > > > > hetuls <hetuls wrote: > > Mail from AIIMS student > > > > Dear friends please spend some time to read this. U can make a > > difference. > > > > As u all guys know that there have been lots of protests going on > > against the raise in reservations. All of us struggle for months and > > years to make our dreams come true; No body in the government is > > bothered about that. This new policy of govt ll be a major road > > block in the development of our nation and creation of a caste free > > society. I want to share some developments occurring here with > > respect to this issue. > > > > About 2 weeks back the Students Union (SU) of AIIMS (UGs and > > Interns) started the protests. They held peaceful march. Their main > > demand was to meet Honbl. Arjun Singh and to express their concern > > regarding the hike in reservations. What they got in return. Water > > canons, tear gas shells and Lathis. Some of the interns who were > > beaten were my friends and i could see their injury marks. Worse, > > some were girls. Sad isn't it? Well next few days due to their > > constant struggle they could get to meet Dr Arjun Singh. No positive > > response was obtained. He however promised that before sending the > > bill to cabinet, he would inform the SU. The students continued to > > boycott their classes. Other medical colleges of Delhi also joined. > > We Resident Doctors of AIIMS however were not actively > > participating. We wore black badges and attended few rallies. > > > > 12 th May saw a new beginning. Our medical students were brutally > > assaulted by Delhi police. Injured were brought to AIIMS. Fracture > > hand bone, head injury, blunt trauma abdomen with intra-abdominal > > bleed; > 300 students were manhandled including girls, stuffed in > > buses and taken to police station. I remember the dialogue from RDB. > > This incident will prove to be a final nail in coffin for our > > Congress Govt . At around 3 pm the Resident Doctors Association > > (RDA) of AIIMS announced an indefinite strike. All Junior Residents > > (Acad or Non-acad) & Senior Residents boycotted. Protest rally was > > organized that day. > > > > 13 th may was the worst day in the history of our Indian > > Independence and so called Democracy. Medical Students of Mumbai > > were beaten like animals. Infact animals also are never treated like > > this. Every body would have witness the brutalities of the Mumbai > > Police .17 - 18 year old medical students were beaten up. Future of > > our country treated like this? And these are the same Police Men who > > come to our OPD and ask for preferential treatment. Shame on them. > > And listen to what Bhujbal said on TV. I thought we need a real RDB > > now. This incident triggered the suppressed fire in each and every > > individual. We at AIIMS went on INDEFINITE HUNGER STRIKE from 14 th > > morning joined by medical students from MAMC Delhi, Lady Harding, > > RML Hosp, Rohtak Medical College. Slowly the fire spread to > > different states of our country. You know what happened in Blore. > > Calcutta, Orissa, Chattisgarh, Gujarat, Himachal Pradesh, Kerala > > boiled in protests. Students of Delhi University (BSc BCom...) also > > joined the strike > > > > The hunger strike in AIIMS continues. More than 100 students and > > residents are sitting in the heat since 14 th morning just on plain > > water. Believe me we slept in the open last night empty stomach. Its > > only when rain started pouring we had go inside the Audi and slept > > there. > > > > The IMA has announced complete medical bandh today (15 Th may). > > Doctors from all over Delhi have come to AIIMS and are holding > > protests. IITs and IIMs have joined the strike. Even patients and > > their attendees were of full support towards this cause. One man > > said," My father is admitted in NS department and is fighting for > > his life and death, but i declare that I have no objection with ur > > strike. I support your movement and the cause for which u re > > fighting. Our country needed this." > > > > All of us know what is right and what is wrong. Having said that i > > feel > > that each one of us should follow our conscience. I have written > > this message because i felt there are many of who might not be aware > > of the exact > > situation. I request each one of u to please forward this to all your > > friends, Medicos or Non-medicos. Every common man needs to be aware > > of the > > injustice and should be involved in this effort. > > > > This Movement will be a revolution in our independent country and > > will be the most significant event after the British Rule. It ll be > > the cause for the rewriting of Indian Constitution where just and > > meritorious people are not singled out and put to taste the > > adversities and someone else enjoys the benefit . > > > > The government cannot hide its inadequacies in providing equal > > opportunities to the under privileged in rural areas by increasing > > the reservations. They have ruled the country for so many decades > > and if in this time they are not able to provide equality in primary > > and secondary education for Indian citizens they cannot mask their > > failure by providing reservations at each and every level. It's > > ridiculous. The whole issue of reservations was a political gimmick > > of the present govt to garner votes. > > > > Its time that things are not taken for granted by any one. Let it be > > a senior minister police or anyone else. Whole of our nation needs > > to get aware of the amount of hard work and sacrifice we put to > > achieve our dreams. We should not allow anyone to make a mockery of > > our struggle in future. > > > > Thank U Friends. > > > > Dr Kiran, > > Junior Resident, > > Internal Medicine, > > All India Institute of Medical Sciences, > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://in.messenger. > > > > Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: > > http://in.mobile./new/messenger/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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