Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Hello all, Does anyone knows what is guru pada puja. I am assuming it would mean guru feet worship, but that's just a guess.. Also is there any special signifance to it.. ? Of course any Guru puja is always a plus.. but still anything specific.. -- Thanks Dp [The force is feminine in nature] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Is this a loaded question? The two steps of the guru are the whole path of spiritual pursuit towards fruition. One would be doing Guru Padukam to speed up their pace. One is not just buying guru puja off Saranam or something like that. It one has no guru then there's no point in this, it's then just some planetary worship. - Dhirendra Pal Singh Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:42 PM Question about a guru puja Hello all, Does anyone knows what is guru pada puja. I am assuming it would mean guru feet worship, but that's just a guess.. Also is there any special signifance to it.. ? Of course any Guru puja is always a plus.. but still anything specific.. -- Thanks Dp [The force is feminine in nature] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Namaste, GurupAdapUjA is exactly worship of Guru's feet (or his sandals, if Guru is absent physically). A , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" <dpal.singh wrote: > > Hello all, > > Does anyone knows what is guru pada puja. I am assuming it would mean guru feet worship, but that's just a guess.. > > Also is there any special signifance to it.. ? Of course any Guru puja is always a plus.. but still anything specific.. > > -- > Thanks > Dp > [The force is feminine in nature] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 On 6/14/06, Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > Is this a loaded question? Honestly I dont know if this is a loaded question. Heck before I posted I didnt even knew if this was a legitimate question or was just making fool of myself. Someone else asked me to provider her with more information on this point. Unfortunately I didnt even knew the term before. And I think I know stuff... > The two steps of the guru are the whole path of > spiritual pursuit towards > fruition. One would be doing Guru Padukam to speed up their pace. Hmmm... Nice to know that. Any more information on this would be appreciated. i.e how to do it.. any specific way, things to be done... Thanks a ton and regards Dp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 On 6/14/06, Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha (AT) mail (DOT) ru> wrote: > > Namaste, > > GurupAdapUjA is exactly worship of Guru's feet > (or his sandals, if Guru is absent physically). Thanks for telling me the correct word for this worship. Any other information? Tons of thanks and Regards Dp A > > , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" <dpal.singh > wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > Does anyone knows what is guru pada puja. I am assuming it would mean > guru feet > worship, but that's just a guess.. > > > > Also is there any special signifance to it.. ? Of course any Guru puja > is always a plus.. > but still anything specific.. > > > > -- > > Thanks > > Dp > > [The force is feminine in nature] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Hmmm... Nice to know that. Any more information on this would be appreciated. i.e how to do it.. any specific way, things to be done... ---Ah well, my trusty companion on these issues is Ashley-Ferrands transliterated pujas in his three notebook series. [Moderator's note: see http://www.sanskritmantra.com/ for info on Thomas Ashley-Farrand] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Dear Moderator, Thanks for pointing out the website otherwise I would have to ask Llundrub agian where can I find it.. Dear Llundrub, I was on the website. The book seems very comprehensise. Would like to buy it. But if you have it, can you do me a small favor.. Under Section 2, there is "Guru and Teachers". The first is Guru Mantra. Can you post it. If you done want to paste it complete, can you please, at least, paste few words from begining.. It will give me an idea of what to expect in the book. Would really appreciate it.. Thanks and Regards Dp On 6/14/06, Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > Hmmm... Nice to know that. > Any more information on this would be appreciated. i.e how to do it.. any > specific way, things to be done... > > > ---Ah well, my trusty companion on these issues is Ashley-Ferrands > transliterated pujas in his three notebook series. > > [Moderator's note: see http://www.sanskritmantra.com/ > for info on Thomas Ashley-Farrand] > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Sure, but I would also caution that AF is by no means the last word, or entirely accurate. As a Tibetan Buddhist, I can emphatically say that not a smidgen of what he says in regards to TB is correct. He gives a Weisak homage to Buddha performed by Christ. Yes, it's true. Silly. Moreover, no practice of the Vajrayana is allowed to be performed in any way without the wang, lung and tri from a lineage holder. But it's a good guide for non-Sanskrit scholars who have little ability to study with true sadhus. I think Ma forgives those with pure intent. Though that said in some of the Shakti pujas there are Oms where they should not be. The other things I have no expertise at all whatsoever. I really liked his Navavarana practice. That was my mainstay when I was using these texts. So here's the four mantras he gives for Guru: Om Gum Gurubhyo Namaha clearing the way to guru Om Shri Guru Paramatmanae Swaha opening up to guru within Om Guruheswari Guruheshwaryei Swaha Guru Shakti Ma Guru Om Basic guru orientation I don't exactly feel that these mantras are copywrited. Sure AF collected them and added his opinions, more likely took them out of context, but I cannot add verbatim exerpts from the book. In collecting so much knowledge AF has eroded some of the important fine points of most of the practices as if they are not each inimicable. He has probably refined the works though since I bought the books five years ago. AF is easily available through his website for correspondence, or used to be. - Dhirendra Pal Singh Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:08 PM Re: Question about a guru puja Dear Moderator, Thanks for pointing out the website otherwise I would have to ask Llundrub agian where can I find it.. Dear Llundrub, I was on the website. The book seems very comprehensise. Would like to buy it. But if you have it, can you do me a small favor.. Under Section 2, there is "Guru and Teachers". The first is Guru Mantra. Can you post it. If you done want to paste it complete, can you please, at least, paste few words from begining.. It will give me an idea of what to expect in the book. Would really appreciate it.. Thanks and Regards Dp On 6/14/06, Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > Hmmm... Nice to know that. > Any more information on this would be appreciated. i.e how to do it.. any > specific way, things to be done... > > > ---Ah well, my trusty companion on these issues is Ashley-Ferrands > transliterated pujas in his three notebook series. > > [Moderator's note: see http://www.sanskritmantra.com/ > for info on Thomas Ashley-Farrand] > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Or worship of His/Her imagined feet at sahasraara. If it is kaadi tradition the feet are red in color; if its white in Haddi and one red and one white in Saadi tradition. Representing Shakti; shiva and shiva-shakti respectively. Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha (AT) mail (DOT) ru> wrote: Namaste, GurupAdapUjA is exactly worship of Guru's feet (or his sandals, if Guru is absent physically). A , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" <dpal.singh wrote: > > Hello all, > > Does anyone knows what is guru pada puja. I am assuming it would mean guru feet worship, but that's just a guess.. > > Also is there any special signifance to it.. ? Of course any Guru puja is always a plus.. but still anything specific.. > > -- > Thanks > Dp > [The force is feminine in nature] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 why not go to a "realised" Guru? he will teach you. Net is not the place to get deeksha *smile*. (I am told that I am abrupt but thats my style. I am not being harsh or anything) Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh > wrote: On 6/14/06, Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > Is this a loaded question? Honestly I dont know if this is a loaded question. Heck before I posted I didnt even knew if this was a legitimate question or was just making fool of myself. Someone else asked me to provider her with more information on this point. Unfortunately I didnt even knew the term before. And I think I know stuff... > The two steps of the guru are the whole path of > spiritual pursuit towards > fruition. One would be doing Guru Padukam to speed up their pace. Hmmm... Nice to know that. Any more information on this would be appreciated. i.e how to do it.. any specific way, things to be done... Thanks a ton and regards Dp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Llundrub, Thanks for all the details. I really, really appreciate it. Regards Dp On 6/14/06, Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > Sure, but I would also caution that AF is by no means the last word, or > entirely accurate. As a Tibetan Buddhist, I can emphatically say that not a > smidgen of what he says in regards to TB is correct. He gives a Weisak > homage to Buddha performed by Christ. Yes, it's true. Silly. Moreover, no > practice of the Vajrayana is allowed to be performed in any way without the > wang, lung and tri from a lineage holder. > > But it's a good guide for non-Sanskrit scholars who have little ability to > study with true sadhus. I think Ma forgives those with pure intent. Though > that said in some of the Shakti pujas there are Oms where they should not > be. The other things I have no expertise at all whatsoever. I really liked > his Navavarana practice. That was my mainstay when I was using these texts. > > So here's the four mantras he gives for Guru: > > Om Gum Gurubhyo Namaha > clearing the way to guru > > Om Shri Guru Paramatmanae Swaha > opening up to guru within > > Om Guruheswari Guruheshwaryei Swaha > Guru Shakti Ma > > Guru Om > Basic guru orientation > > I don't exactly feel that these mantras are copywrited. Sure AF collected > them and added his opinions, more likely took them out of context, but I > cannot add verbatim exerpts from the book. > > In collecting so much knowledge AF has eroded some of the important fine > points of most of the practices as if they are not each inimicable. > > He has probably refined the works though since I bought the books five > years ago. > > AF is easily available through his website for correspondence, or used to > be. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Thanks a lot for the info... Regards Deep On 6/15/06, sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote: > > Or worship of His/Her imagined feet at sahasraara. If it is kaadi > tradition the feet are red in color; if its white in Haddi and one red and > one white in Saadi tradition. Representing Shakti; shiva and shiva-shakti > respectively. > > Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha (AT) mail (DOT) ru> wrote: Namaste, > > GurupAdapUjA is exactly worship of Guru's feet > (or his sandals, if Guru is absent physically). > > A > > , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" <dpal.singh > wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > Does anyone knows what is guru pada puja. I am assuming it would mean > guru feet > worship, but that's just a guess.. > > > > Also is there any special signifance to it.. ? Of course any Guru puja > is always a plus.. > but still anything specific.. > > > > -- > > Thanks > > Dp > > [The force is feminine in nature] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 On 6/15/06, sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote: > > why not go to a "realised" Guru? he will teach you. Net is not the place > to get deeksha *smile*. A) I didnt said I am looking for diksha, and even if I am how come net/phone (or for that matter anything else) is a bad thing. As a rule I am always open to new things.. B) I dont think the question implies that I am not dikshit.. or did it.? C) Again my question doesnt implies that A) I dont have a Guru B) my Master is not "realised". Surpriseing you have associated the question with so many things.. Anyway I am always looking for "Knowledge" from anywhere and everything, that includes nature, kids, animal, anything and everything around me... even the dummest person around me... There is always a change to learn. I didnt said Mother, Guru and other Human Beings as they are already included. (I am told that I am abrupt but thats my style. I am not being harsh or > anything) everyone has his or her own style. You always have the choice to stick to it or change it.. Astrologically, I have "pap garah", on my tongue, and has been advised to control it.. thats the reason I make sure I am not being blunt.. unless off course needed.. Once again thanks for all your input. Let more keep comming.. Regards Dp Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh > wrote: On 6/14/06, > Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > Is this a loaded question? > > Honestly I dont know if this is a loaded question. Heck before I posted I > didnt even knew if this was a legitimate question or was just making fool > of > myself. Someone else asked me to provider her with more information on > this > point. Unfortunately I didnt even knew the term before. And I think I know > stuff... > > > The two steps of the guru are the whole path of > > spiritual pursuit towards > > fruition. One would be doing Guru Padukam to speed up their pace. > > Hmmm... Nice to know that. > Any more information on this would be appreciated. i.e how to do it.. any > specific way, things to be done... > > Thanks a ton and regards > Dp > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 how to know that whether the guru is realised. how may gurus one can have at a time. As i heard, one should always search for a guru. But guru will not select a shishya. It means one should seach for jnana / light / guru in the life time a never ending process Please update --- Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh > wrote: > On 6/15/06, sankara menon <kochu1tz > > wrote: > > > > why not go to a "realised" Guru? he will teach > you. Net is not the place > > to get deeksha *smile*. > > > A) I didnt said I am looking for diksha, and even if > I am how come net/phone > (or for that matter anything else) is a bad thing. > As a rule I am always > open to new things.. > > B) I dont think the question implies that I am not > dikshit.. or did it.? > > C) Again my question doesnt implies that A) I dont > have a Guru B) my Master > is not "realised". > > Surpriseing you have associated the question with so > many things.. > > Anyway I am always looking for "Knowledge" from > anywhere and everything, > that includes nature, kids, animal, anything and > everything around me... > even the dummest person around me... There is always > a change to learn. I > didnt said Mother, Guru and other Human Beings as > they are already included. > > (I am told that I am abrupt but thats my style. I > am not being harsh or > > anything) > > > everyone has his or her own style. You always > have the choice to stick to > it or change it.. Astrologically, I have "pap > garah", on my tongue, and > has been advised to control it.. thats the reason I > make sure I am not being > blunt.. unless off course needed.. > > Once again thanks for all your input. Let more keep > comming.. > > Regards > Dp > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 If one finds any worthy guru then they are fortunate. If one finds many worthy gurus then they are most fortunate.Some persons find one guru, and others have 100 gurus. There are no rules that need to apply, except that one undertake the practice that their guru suggests. Otherwise where is the point in seeking a guru? - Venkata Ramana Abbaraju Friday, June 16, 2006 2:03 AM Re: Question about a guru puja how to know that whether the guru is realised. how may gurus one can have at a time. As i heard, one should always search for a guru. But guru will not select a shishya. It means one should seach for jnana / light / guru in the life time a never ending process Please update --- Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh > wrote: > On 6/15/06, sankara menon <kochu1tz > > wrote: > > > > why not go to a "realised" Guru? he will teach > you. Net is not the place > > to get deeksha *smile*. > > > A) I didnt said I am looking for diksha, and even if > I am how come net/phone > (or for that matter anything else) is a bad thing. > As a rule I am always > open to new things.. > > B) I dont think the question implies that I am not > dikshit.. or did it.? > > C) Again my question doesnt implies that A) I dont > have a Guru B) my Master > is not "realised". > > Surpriseing you have associated the question with so > many things.. > > Anyway I am always looking for "Knowledge" from > anywhere and everything, > that includes nature, kids, animal, anything and > everything around me... > even the dummest person around me... There is always > a change to learn. I > didnt said Mother, Guru and other Human Beings as > they are already included. > > (I am told that I am abrupt but thats my style. I > am not being harsh or > > anything) > > > everyone has his or her own style. You always > have the choice to stick to > it or change it.. Astrologically, I have "pap > garah", on my tongue, and > has been advised to control it.. thats the reason I > make sure I am not being > blunt.. unless off course needed.. > > Once again thanks for all your input. Let more keep > comming.. > > Regards > Dp > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 how to know that whether the guru is realised. To choose a guru, one must find that person an ideal that one wants to follow. One must know their path to know where ones own feet will walk. Therefore one must study their guru. If that guru does not allow one to study them or demands obeisance, then they are not a true guru. Though one will never know whether a guru is realized until one practices that realization for themself. One can only have respect to the degree that they can have respect, and no more than that. Respect literally means to look at something twice. So I say once from one side and once from the other to get the whole picture. So one 'spects' things, and then if its worthy of looking at twice then one 'respects' things. So things that draw respect actually create the conditions for respect. This is the true guru, who draws respect naturally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Hey Venkata, I will try to answer the question to the best of my ability. A) how to know that whether the guru is realised? In my first Guru's Lineage, there is a story. That will explain the complexity of this problem. I haven't found a better story yet so I am going to share it with you. Be advised grammar could be bad so please correct it. A kids father died, when he was young. His dad was a jeweller so they were pretty good. But soon all the money was used up. He and his mother started having hard times. One day , the kid found a stone that was a bit shiny. He assumed that its unprocessed diamond. Luckily his uncle (father's brother) was also a jeweller. He went to his uncle and asked him that he has a diamond which he wants to sell to him (kid's uncle) so that he can make money and support his mother. Uncle was in a situation as it was just a stone. So he (uncle ) said to the kid, "How about this, I will hold on to this precious stone, while you start working with me, to gain knowledge about stones, once you grow up you can have this stone back, and make more money. Mean while you can earn as you are working here and support your mother." Kid thought that its a good idea and start working there. It was only when he grew up he found out that it was just a stone, but by then he became a big jeweller himself and , well lived happily ever after. Now the question whether your guru is realised or not, is very similar to the situation of a kid having a stone in your hand and thinking its a diamond. Lets analyse and think. If his uncle has told him that its not a diamond but just a stone, kid would have thought that his uncle is trying to cheat him as he was A) too Young to understand the situation B) had no knowledge of how to determine wthere its a diamond or stone. On the other hand the uncle cant say its a real stone either as then the kid would have wanted to get the money from uncle by selling it. So my dear friend, the question you have asked is very complicated... But does that means you should believe in who ever comes and says I am "realised guru". Heck no. You try to grow daily, and most of all pray, to your diety, Mother asking for a guru and keep trying. As you don't want to miss a realised guru either.. There is another very nice story in Buddhism.. A wanderling was .. well .. wandering.. He came across Buddha. Wanderling : who are you? Buddha : I am the Buddha. The one and only Buddha. Wanderling : if only it was so.... and wandered... Perhaps that why it is said, its not you who search your guru, but its a guru who searches for you. Because only he/she can know the truth.. From this side, our judgement can be flawed.. B) can we have more then 1 guru. ? There are some gurus who prohibit it.. dont know the reason. Bhisham Pitamah had 3 Gurus chosen by his Mother Ganga. Perhaps thats why he was able to defeat one of his master later in a fight. Lord Ram asked his borther Lakshman to go and get knowledge from Ravan while he was dying... another fantastic example of how knowledge can and should be gathered from anywhere and everywhere. Off course this doesnt mean that you start listening to some psycho and become a psycho yourself.. As we all know Ravan was one of the biggest learned of his times. I hope you shall find what you are looking for.. Thanks and Regards Dp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 On 6/16/06, Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > how to know that whether the guru is realised. > > To choose a guru, one must find that person an ideal that one wants to > follow. One must know their path to know where ones own feet will walk. > Therefore one must study their guru. If that guru does not allow one to > study them or demands obeisance, then they are not a true guru. > > Though one will never know whether a guru is realized until one practices > that realization for themself. One can only have respect to the degree that > they can have respect, and no more than that. Respect literally means to > look at something twice. So I say once from one side and once from the other > to get the whole picture. So one 'spects' things, and then if its worthy of > looking at twice then one 'respects' things. So things that draw respect > actually create the conditions for respect. > > This is the true guru, who draws respect naturally. Beautifully said Llundrub. Thanks and Regards Dp -- Thanks Dp [The force is feminine in nature] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Thanks to DP and Llundrub for ur valuable thoughts Regards Ramana --- Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh > wrote: > On 6/16/06, Llundrub <llundrub (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > > > > > how to know that whether the guru is realised. > > > > To choose a guru, one must find that person an > ideal that one wants to > > follow. One must know their path to know where > ones own feet will walk. > > Therefore one must study their guru. If that guru > does not allow one to > > study them or demands obeisance, then they are not > a true guru. > > > > Though one will never know whether a guru is > realized until one practices > > that realization for themself. One can only have > respect to the degree that > > they can have respect, and no more than that. > Respect literally means to > > look at something twice. So I say once from one > side and once from the other > > to get the whole picture. So one 'spects' things, > and then if its worthy of > > looking at twice then one 'respects' things. So > things that draw respect > > actually create the conditions for respect. > > > > This is the true guru, who draws respect > naturally. > > > Beautifully said Llundrub. > > Thanks and Regards > Dp > > > > > -- > Thanks > Dp > [The force is feminine in nature] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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