Seeking remedies, much more TAMIL use regular words- ganesh

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Ganesh,

I have said in the end that ther eis no bias but want it to becommon words for benifit for all

and like u pointed the correct tamil word of Gochara I had said same in the 1st part of this mail iu canread each region in TN has variations SO use regular words, that is all.

Tamil and Malyalam are not alone dravidian as they claim the include Telugu, Kanada, Tulu, Konkani, Saurastrian etc.

but Malayalam has a lot of sanskrit words so too Kanada, Telugu, the star names,rasi names or religious words are same. Weh I asked to peroforma a archana for U. Bhadra one priest there is no star by that name. so when I told him one before Revathi he got it that is richness or lack of awarness of a standard.

and there is star (Uttara Bhadra?) can this be said in anyother part of India no.

and how cares about values in Tirukural [in TN, htye may memoriese it max] can u get into an auto in TN pay ur fare by meter, u get the choicest tamil words if u don't pay to their demands. meters exist for show

 

sriganeshh <sriganeshh > wrote: Dear Kumar,

1.i think you are getting wrong with the words...i suppose ...

transliteration of single individual from tamil to english does not

render the language in poor taste...

2. you're getting confused with tamil and malayalam words which more

or less sound similiar with tamil words...in fact all dravidian

words are inter related atleast on phonetic basis...

3. personally i feel you are totally biased with tamil and

tamilian ...for reasons best known to you only..i've seen some of

your mails recently ....

for your example...the right tamil word for gochara is graha

sara...but the srinivasan has written it as cochara...it shows his

conversion to english of the same word used by all but not the

correct tamil word...in fact many of the people in tamilnadu has

forgotten the usage of beautiful tamil and malayalam words...which

has its roots in sanskrit...

I am not a tamilian for your info (maharashtrian living in mumbai)

but i know the richness of tamil language and its depth in

literature and i consider it as one of the oldest considering the

time thirukkural is written...

finally what is important is understanding the message conveyed by

the writer and not the words...

Now you can take it whichever way you want...i felt like writing

this...to you as a good friend...

best wishes

sriganeshh

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RR,

>

> sure I agree with what u said on European As I have leart french

and seen german, spanish, Italine books at home, can't read though.

>

> about tamils is these people can use the regular words but they

like sounding different all the time. that is why the mention

here, and can all make sense of the different words from regular

words

>

> now a simple quiz for noN tamils

>

> FIX THE REGUALR WORD FOR THESE

> AMOGAM

> MAGAYA NAMAGE

> UTTARADAM

> PURVATTADI

>

> TIRUVADARAI

> PUNARPUSAM

> AYILYAM

> THIRUVONAM

> SADAYAM

> KATTAI

>

> easier ones

> Magam, Maham

> chittarai

> KIRITHIGAI

> punarpusam

> Miragashirisham

>

> this is byurereh tamil

>

> this is not to belittle anyone but we need soe estandard to

make ourselves clear to all. just as English is unlike other

European languages

>

> crystal pages <rrgb

wrote: Kumar ji,

>

> If I may interject with a personal note (short one, I

promise!) ...

> Although I have no understanding of Tamil, I have always found

> these 'variations' very interesting, even attractive when they

appear

> in astrological writing, and nearly always easily understandable!

>

> OTOH, I find the 'transliteration' symbols used mostly in

european

> writings -- and also by some Indians writing for Europeans, I

> suppose -- more difficult to understand and actually those slow

me

> down and thereby create a bit of frustration. The Tamil variants

> somehow feel less foreign and even pleasant. I am just being

very

> honest and direct, no offense or bias intended towards anyone.

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Srinivasan and other tamils

> >

> > please USE regular /sanskrit or english names and not tamil

names

> whch no ONE except tamils or ones knowing it can guess each

part of

> TN has a diff sound to it also

> >

> > GOCHARA OR TRANSIT not cochara

> > rahu or dragon head not ragu

> > ketu or dragon tail not kedu

> > [actually tamils the end is prounenced so terribley] say

rAgeuh,

> kEdeUh it is our fortune we dont have the sound bytes to deal

with

> here. I live in chennai so can tell it is tamil but here we

have

> Indian and international people so plsae use standard names

even for

> stars please buy a simple book say Astrology for Beginers by B

V

> RAMAN or Every Day astrology by VAK AYER.

> > learn some right words and use them.

> >

> > I expect a egoistic reply like last time when I pointed on

> tamil's Privy council case in London durign British Raj days.

> > and not a reasonable reply/

> > srinivasan Natarajan <kethubles@>

> wrote: sir, u r sade

sani

> is still on till nov 2006, but with cochara the 5th place is

> ocuupied by jupitor, though there is something bothering u

neednot

> loose heart, MAKE SURE in u r mind that a glorious time is there

> after 22-10-2007. this will sure be different with the present

> situation. till nov 2006 on all saturdays offer fresh butter to

lord

> hanuman and pray for his blessings we will sure pray for U

> > NATARAJANSRINIVASAN KETHUBLES

> > patrioticsir <patrioticsir@> wrote: Namaste all:

> >

> > My name is Aditya and I am an indian student currently in

the US.

> My

> > DOB is April 16, 1986 with birth time 7:10 pm in indore city

of

> > madhya pradesh, india. My moon rashi is Mithun and I am

currently

> > running sadhe sati (as I understand it).

> >

> > Not to disclose the exact details but the past year or so

has been

> > devastating in terms of everything. I was accused of doing

> something

> > that I did admit to (foolish mistake) and was given a

terrible

> > suspension. I almost killed myself in attempted suicide

(another

> > stupid mistake something that I consider myself completely

out of

> > character). I had to return to india and them come back.

> >

> > My luck is currently so bad that on my transit in milan

> authorities

> > actually frisked me and hit me only to later apologize for

the

> > mistake. I have also wasted so much money in tuition so far.

My

> > relationship with my family and parents ahs become worse and

> nobody

> > really likes me. In March this year I got into a head

accident

> (not

> > a serious one) and I somehow (yea even i dunno how i have

> survived)

> >

> > It has also apparently affected my father (his medical

practice

> has

> > suffered) and my grandmother (as i consider her my guru) who

has

> > somehow lost her mental/psychological balance. I also

constantly

> > bicker with my family.

> >

> > I had a few questions -

> >

> > i) Do you know for how long sadhe sati will end for those in

> mithun

> > rashi - sometime in november 2006

> >

> > ii) I am also running the venus antardasha and saturn

mahadasha

> WITH

> > THE SADHE SATI - is that bad ? what is particularly bad in

my

> kundli

> > that is causing all of this and is there a time when this

should

> > end ??

> >

> > iii) Are there any remedies that I could use - i tried doing

> > hanuman chalisa and shani kavacha but absolutely everything

is

> > getting ruined on a daily basis and I really need a solution

> >

> > iv) I was hoping to find a way to prevent things from

happenign

> to

> > my family as well.

> >

> > please help me

> >

> >

> >

> > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> >

> >

> >

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Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote:

Ganesh,

 

I have said in the end that ther eis no bias but want it to becommon words for benifit for all

and like u pointed the correct tamil word of Gochara I had said same in the 1st part of this mail iu canread each region in TN has variations SO use regular words, that is all.

 

Tamil and Malyalam are not alone dravidian as they claim the include Telugu, Kanada, Tulu, Konkani, Saurastrian etc.

 

but Malayalam has a lot of sanskrit words so too Kanada, Telugu, the star names,rasi names or religious words are same. Weh I asked to peroforma a archana for U. Bhadra one priest there is no star by that name. so when I told him one before Revathi he got it that is richness or lack of awarness of a standard.

and there is star (Uttara Bhadra?) can this be said in anyother part of India no.

 

 

and how cares about values in Tirukural [in TN, htye may memoriese it max] can u get into an auto in TN pay ur fare by meter, u get the choicest tamil words if u don't pay to their demands. meters exist for show

 

 

 

 

sriganeshh <sriganeshh > wrote: Dear Kumar,

 

1.i think you are getting wrong with the words...i suppose ...

transliteration of single individual from tamil to english does not

render the language in poor taste...

2. you're getting confused with tamil and malayalam words which more

or less sound similiar with tamil words...in fact all dravidian

words are inter related atleast on phonetic basis...

3. personally i feel you are totally biased with tamil and

tamilian ...for reasons best known to you only..i've seen some of

your mails recently ....

 

for your example...the right tamil word for gochara is graha

sara...but the srinivasan has written it as cochara...it shows his

conversion to english of the same word used by all but not the

correct tamil word...in fact many of the people in tamilnadu has

forgotten the usage of beautiful tamil and malayalam words...which

has its roots in sanskrit...

 

I am not a tamilian for your info (maharashtrian living in mumbai)

but i know the richness of tamil language and its depth in

literature and i consider it as one of the oldest considering the

time thirukkural is written...

 

finally what is important is understanding the message conveyed by

the writer and not the words...

 

Now you can take it whichever way you want...i felt like writing

this...to you as a good friend...

 

best wishes

sriganeshh

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RR,

>

> sure I agree with what u said on European As I have leart french

and seen german, spanish, Italine books at home, can't read though.

>

> about tamils is these people can use the regular words but they

like sounding different all the time. that is why the mention

here, and can all make sense of the different words from regular

words

>

> now a simple quiz for noN tamils

>

> FIX THE REGUALR WORD FOR THESE

> AMOGAM

> MAGAYA NAMAGE

> UTTARADAM

> PURVATTADI

>

> TIRUVADARAI

> PUNARPUSAM

> AYILYAM

> THIRUVONAM

> SADAYAM

> KATTAI

>

> easier ones

> Magam, Maham

> chittarai

> KIRITHIGAI

> punarpusam

> Miragashirisham

>

> this is byurereh tamil

>

> this is not to belittle anyone but we need soe estandard to

make ourselves clear to all. just as English is unlike other

European languages

>

> crystal pages <rrgb

wrote: Kumar ji,

>

> If I may interject with a personal note (short one, I

promise!) ...

> Although I have no understanding of Tamil, I have always found

> these 'variations' very interesting, even attractive when they

appear

> in astrological writing, and nearly always easily understandable!

>

> OTOH, I find the 'transliteration' symbols used mostly in

european

> writings -- and also by some Indians writing for Europeans, I

> suppose -- more difficult to understand and actually those slow

me

> down and thereby create a bit of frustration. The Tamil variants

> somehow feel less foreign and even pleasant. I am just being

very

> honest and direct, no offense or bias intended towards anyone.

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Srinivasan and other tamils

> >

> > please USE regular /sanskrit or english names and not tamil

names

> whch no ONE except tamils or ones knowing it can guess each

part of

> TN has a diff sound to it also

> >

> > GOCHARA OR TRANSIT not cochara

> > rahu or dragon head not ragu

> > ketu or dragon tail not kedu

> > [actually tamils the end is prounenced so terribley] say

rAgeuh,

> kEdeUh it is our fortune we dont have the sound bytes to deal

with

> here. I live in chennai so can tell it is tamil but here we

have

> Indian and international people so plsae use standard names

even for

> stars please buy a simple book say Astrology for Beginers by B

V

> RAMAN or Every Day astrology by VAK AYER.

> > learn some right words and use them.

> >

> > I expect a egoistic reply like last time when I pointed on

> tamil's Privy council case in London durign British Raj days.

> > and not a reasonable reply/

> > srinivasan Natarajan <kethubles@>

> wrote: sir, u r sade

sani

> is still on till nov 2006, but with cochara the 5th place is

> ocuupied by jupitor, though there is something bothering u

neednot

> loose heart, MAKE SURE in u r mind that a glorious time is there

> after 22-10-2007. this will sure be different with the present

> situation. till nov 2006 on all saturdays offer fresh butter to

lord

> hanuman and pray for his blessings we will sure pray for U

> > NATARAJANSRINIVASAN KETHUBLES

> > patrioticsir <patrioticsir@> wrote: Namaste all:

> >

> > My name is Aditya and I am an indian student currently in

the US.

> My

> > DOB is April 16, 1986 with birth time 7:10 pm in indore city

of

> > madhya pradesh, india. My moon rashi is Mithun and I am

currently

> > running sadhe sati (as I understand it).

> >

> > Not to disclose the exact details but the past year or so

has been

> > devastating in terms of everything. I was accused of doing

> something

> > that I did admit to (foolish mistake) and was given a

terrible

> > suspension. I almost killed myself in attempted suicide

(another

> > stupid mistake something that I consider myself completely

out of

> > character). I had to return to india and them come back.

> >

> > My luck is currently so bad that on my transit in milan

> authorities

> > actually frisked me and hit me only to later apologize for

the

> > mistake. I have also wasted so much money in tuition so far.

My

> > relationship with my family and parents ahs become worse and

> nobody

> > really likes me. In March this year I got into a head

accident

> (not

> > a serious one) and I somehow (yea even i dunno how i have

> survived)

> >

> > It has also apparently affected my father (his medical

practice

> has

> > suffered) and my grandmother (as i consider her my guru) who

has

> > somehow lost her mental/psychological balance. I also

constantly

> > bicker with my family.

> >

> > I had a few questions -

> >

> > i) Do you know for how long sadhe sati will end for those in

> mithun

> > rashi - sometime in november 2006

> >

> > ii) I am also running the venus antardasha and saturn

mahadasha

> WITH

> > THE SADHE SATI - is that bad ? what is particularly bad in

my

> kundli

> > that is causing all of this and is there a time when this

should

> > end ??

> >

> > iii) Are there any remedies that I could use - i tried doing

> > hanuman chalisa and shani kavacha but absolutely everything

is

> > getting ruined on a daily basis and I really need a solution

> >

> > iv) I was hoping to find a way to prevent things from

happenign

> to

> > my family as well.

> >

> > please help me

> >

> >

> >

> > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> >

> >

> >

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waiting for reply pls

a

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote:

Ganesh,

 

I have said in the end that ther eis no bias but want it to becommon words for benifit for all

and like u pointed the correct tamil word of Gochara I had said same in the 1st part of this mail iu canread each region in TN has variations SO use regular words, that is all.

 

Tamil and Malyalam are not alone dravidian as they claim the include Telugu, Kanada, Tulu, Konkani, Saurastrian etc.

 

but Malayalam has a lot of sanskrit words so too Kanada, Telugu, the star names,rasi names or religious words are same. Weh I asked to peroforma a archana for U. Bhadra one priest there is no star by that name. so when I told him one before Revathi he got it that is richness or lack of awarness of a standard.

and there is star (Uttara Bhadra?) can this be said in anyother part of India no.

 

 

and how cares about values in Tirukural [in TN, htye may memoriese it max] can u get into an auto in TN pay ur fare by meter, u get the choicest tamil words if u don't pay to their demands. meters exist for show

 

 

 

 

sriganeshh <sriganeshh > wrote: Dear Kumar,

 

1.i think you are getting wrong with the words...i suppose ...

transliteration of single individual from tamil to english does not

render the language in poor taste...

2. you're getting confused with tamil and malayalam words which more

or less sound similiar with tamil words...in fact all dravidian

words are inter related atleast on phonetic basis...

3. personally i feel you are totally biased with tamil and

tamilian ...for reasons best known to you only..i've seen some of

your mails recently ....

 

for your example...the right tamil word for gochara is graha

sara...but the srinivasan has written it as cochara...it shows his

conversion to english of the same word used by all but not the

correct tamil word...in fact many of the people in tamilnadu has

forgotten the usage of beautiful tamil and malayalam words...which

has its roots in sanskrit...

 

I am not a tamilian for your info (maharashtrian living in mumbai)

but i know the richness of tamil language and its depth in

literature and i consider it as one of the oldest considering the

time thirukkural is written...

 

finally what is important is understanding the message conveyed by

the writer and not the words...

 

Now you can take it whichever way you want...i felt like writing

this...to you as a good friend...

 

best wishes

sriganeshh

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RR,

>

> sure I agree with what u said on European As I have leart french

and seen german, spanish, Italine books at home, can't read though.

>

> about tamils is these people can use the regular words but they

like sounding different all the time. that is why the mention

here, and can all make sense of the different words from regular

words

>

> now a simple quiz for noN tamils

>

> FIX THE REGUALR WORD FOR THESE

> AMOGAM

> MAGAYA NAMAGE

> UTTARADAM

> PURVATTADI

>

> TIRUVADARAI

> PUNARPUSAM

> AYILYAM

> THIRUVONAM

> SADAYAM

> KATTAI

>

> easier ones

> Magam, Maham

> chittarai

> KIRITHIGAI

> punarpusam

> Miragashirisham

>

> this is byurereh tamil

>

> this is not to belittle anyone but we need soe estandard to

make ourselves clear to all. just as English is unlike other

European languages

>

> crystal pages <rrgb

wrote: Kumar ji,

>

> If I may interject with a personal note (short one, I

promise!) ...

> Although I have no understanding of Tamil, I have always found

> these 'variations' very interesting, even attractive when they

appear

> in astrological writing, and nearly always easily understandable!

>

> OTOH, I find the 'transliteration' symbols used mostly in

european

> writings -- and also by some Indians writing for Europeans, I

> suppose -- more difficult to understand and actually those slow

me

> down and thereby create a bit of frustration. The Tamil variants

> somehow feel less foreign and even pleasant. I am just being

very

> honest and direct, no offense or bias intended towards anyone.

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Srinivasan and other tamils

> >

> > please USE regular /sanskrit or english names and not tamil

names

> whch no ONE except tamils or ones knowing it can guess each

part of

> TN has a diff sound to it also

> >

> > GOCHARA OR TRANSIT not cochara

> > rahu or dragon head not ragu

> > ketu or dragon tail not kedu

> > [actually tamils the end is prounenced so terribley] say

rAgeuh,

> kEdeUh it is our fortune we dont have the sound bytes to deal

with

> here. I live in chennai so can tell it is tamil but here we

have

> Indian and international people so plsae use standard names

even for

> stars please buy a simple book say Astrology for Beginers by B

V

> RAMAN or Every Day astrology by VAK AYER.

> > learn some right words and use them.

> >

> > I expect a egoistic reply like last time when I pointed on

> tamil's Privy council case in London durign British Raj days.

> > and not a reasonable reply/

> > srinivasan Natarajan <kethubles@>

> wrote: sir, u r sade

sani

> is still on till nov 2006, but with cochara the 5th place is

> ocuupied by jupitor, though there is something bothering u

neednot

> loose heart, MAKE SURE in u r mind that a glorious time is there

> after 22-10-2007. this will sure be different with the present

> situation. till nov 2006 on all saturdays offer fresh butter to

lord

> hanuman and pray for his blessings we will sure pray for U

> > NATARAJANSRINIVASAN KETHUBLES

> > patrioticsir <patrioticsir@> wrote: Namaste all:

> >

> > My name is Aditya and I am an indian student currently in

the US.

> My

> > DOB is April 16, 1986 with birth time 7:10 pm in indore city

of

> > madhya pradesh, india. My moon rashi is Mithun and I am

currently

> > running sadhe sati (as I understand it).

> >

> > Not to disclose the exact details but the past year or so

has been

> > devastating in terms of everything. I was accused of doing

> something

> > that I did admit to (foolish mistake) and was given a

terrible

> > suspension. I almost killed myself in attempted suicide

(another

> > stupid mistake something that I consider myself completely

out of

> > character). I had to return to india and them come back.

> >

> > My luck is currently so bad that on my transit in milan

> authorities

> > actually frisked me and hit me only to later apologize for

the

> > mistake. I have also wasted so much money in tuition so far.

My

> > relationship with my family and parents ahs become worse and

> nobody

> > really likes me. In March this year I got into a head

accident

> (not

> > a serious one) and I somehow (yea even i dunno how i have

> survived)

> >

> > It has also apparently affected my father (his medical

practice

> has

> > suffered) and my grandmother (as i consider her my guru) who

has

> > somehow lost her mental/psychological balance. I also

constantly

> > bicker with my family.

> >

> > I had a few questions -

> >

> > i) Do you know for how long sadhe sati will end for those in

> mithun

> > rashi - sometime in november 2006

> >

> > ii) I am also running the venus antardasha and saturn

mahadasha

> WITH

> > THE SADHE SATI - is that bad ? what is particularly bad in

my

> kundli

> > that is causing all of this and is there a time when this

should

> > end ??

> >

> > iii) Are there any remedies that I could use - i tried doing

> > hanuman chalisa and shani kavacha but absolutely everything

is

> > getting ruined on a daily basis and I really need a solution

> >

> > iv) I was hoping to find a way to prevent things from

happenign

> to

> > my family as well.

> >

> > please help me

> >

> >

> >

> > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Kumar,

 

really quick in reply..thanks

 

1. You're trying to link the ignorance of other languages/words

with the present generation of tamil without knowing their fight

against imposition of hindi (they took sanskrit also in their fight)

in tamilnadu say from 1966 onwards...infact the present dravidaian

movement gained popularity due to this standardisation and

imposition of sanskrit and indirectly hindi...till then it was very

much prevalent in all parts of tamilnadu...so no wonder this present

generation fails to understand...you need to talk to them in their

language only which is the correct way also ..no offence intended

 

2. when i said dravidian languages..it includes entire south like

tamil, malayalam, telugu and kannada...tulu and konkani is little

bit related but not entirety...but surely not marathi and gujarati

(saurashtrian) ..you may find these there due to samrat shivaji was

one time the ruler of tamilnadu and his representative is stationed

in thanjavur, where the famous chola big temple is situated behind

it you can still find his representative living with all state

respects...Raja saroboji (shivaji representative) was instrumental

in developing and promoting all languages and you can see the links

of marathi and gujarathi getting in the tamil..(Incidentally

saroboji has collected wonderful materials on jyotish and among them

the old purva parasharyam is the best classic...though out of print

and out of stock also...it is in sanskrit)

 

3. if you read old tamil and malayalam classics, you will find it is

nothing but sanskrit in hard form and if you are master in sanskrit

you can very well pick up these two languages...very soon.

 

4. coming to your point of other parts of india...if i go to

varanasi or delhi or even in mumbai, if i tell them to perform

archana saying my star in tamil...the situation will be the

same...does it mean anything...nothing. It means only our lack of

appreciation of the local customs and traditions..languages...

 

5. I consider your writings abt values in Thirukkural, little bit

sarcassitic as i still know many people who lives as per the

principles outlined in Thirukkural and it is matter of personal

choice...these kind of examples are present in all societies...

 

best wishes

sriganeshh

>

>