madhavachari Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 As they are names of Narayana, why would anyone want to think about something else? For what purpose? As Narayana is the ultimate goal of all living beings according to the scriptures. On the other hand, thinking about a Radha does not make any sense and has nothing to do with reality. There is only ONE God, ladies and gentlemen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 As they are names of Narayana, why would anyone want to think about something else? For what purpose? As Narayana is the ultimate goal of all living beings according to the scriptures. On the other hand, thinking about a Radha does not make any sense and has nothing to do with reality. Do the names of Narayana include Lakshmi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madhavachari Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Do the names of Narayana include Lakshmi? Sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahnava Nitai Das Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 On the other hand, thinking about a Radha does not make any sense and has nothing to do with reality.Just replace the word Radha with Lakshmi and see how ludicrous your statement would be to a Sri Vaishnava. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 yadAsya ShoDaSikasya sArdhatrikoTIrjapati tadA brahmahatyAm tarati| tarati vIrahatyAm | 8 "'When a brahmana chants this mantra of sixteen names, for a total of one and one half crore times, he becomes free from the sin of killing a brahmaNa. He overcomes the sin of neglecting his domestic fire.'" Looks like you need to chant 15 million names of Narayana to be freed of killing just a single brahmana. Whereas just walking around a tulasi plant removes the same sin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Are there any Sri Vaishnavas who believe in the existence of Radha? I did not know they did not believe in Radha before reading madhavachari's posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madhavachari Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Just replace the word Radha with Lakshmi and see how ludicrous your statement would be to a Sri Vaishnava. But to replace the word Lakshmi with Radha is ludicrous in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madhavachari Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 yadAsya ShoDaSikasya sArdhatrikoTIrjapati tadA brahmahatyAm tarati| tarati vIrahatyAm | 8 "'When a brahmana chants this mantra of sixteen names, for a total of one and one half crore times, he becomes free from the sin of killing a brahmaNa. He overcomes the sin of neglecting his domestic fire.'" Looks like you need to chant 15 million names of Narayana to be freed of killing just a single brahmana. Whereas just walking around a tulasi plant removes the same sin. Yeah, well, this is not an upanishad that Srivaishnavas emphasize. But you Gaudiyas have taken your "maha-mantra" from it. And it says that by chanting the mantra one and a half crore times you get that particular result. If you rather walk around a tulasi plant instead of chanting it, feel free to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankaja_Dasa Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Madhavachari is unique, Sri Vaishnava's believe in Sri Radha. I could quote some verses to nulify the exsistance of Narayana and Lakmi, (if I was an impersonalist). I don't know whether Madhachari is an impersonalist or a personalist, from the way he speaks about Krishna and Sri Radha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankaja_Dasa Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Do you read Bhagavad-gita Madhavacari? Or do you think this is a false scripture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madhavachari Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Do you read Bhagavad-gita Madhavacari? Or do you think this is a false scripture. Pankajadasa ji, if you knew anything about Srivaishnava philosophy you wouldn´t ask that question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madhavachari Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Madhavachari is unique, Sri Vaishnava's believe in Sri Radha. I could quote some verses to nulify the exsistance of Narayana and Lakmi, (if I was an impersonalist). I don't know whether Madhachari is an impersonalist or a personalist, from the way he speaks about Krishna and Sri Radha. Ok, let´s see those quotes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madhavachari Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Pankaja dasa, if you think Srivaishnavas believe in Radha you obviously need to study a lot harder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madhavachari Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 It´s been fun to see your reactions. Very few persons on these forums actually understand what I am talking about. Study more, unless you are already too brainwashed by your Bungla gooroos, and you will find out what is what. Take care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 It´s been fun to see your reactions. Very few persons on these forums actually understand what I am talking about. Study more, unless you are already too brainwashed by your Bungla gooroos, and you will find out what is what. Take care. Why not plainly tell us what you are speaking of. If anything, we may better understand Sri Vaishnava perspective on the Divine Feminine. As I understand Sri Vaishnavas are divided on their understanding of the Divine Feminine. Some see Lakshmi as a Supreme Goddess, all-pervasive like Lord Vishnu, and another sect sees her just a special chosen Jiva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankaja_Dasa Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 To tell you the truth I don't enjoy talking with you, you seem to already know everything, on a previous thread we (me and Bhavap and others) presented verses to you. I don't want to play silly little beggers with you (that's an old saying in Uk- english, old people say this to children). You seem to be very imature. Either your trying to establish your own faith or you lack faith. I don't know which it is. I don't think Sri Vaishnava ever preach against Gaudiya Vaishanava in the fasion you are doing. You sound more like an impersonlist then a Vaishnava. I like that you have faith in Laskmi-Narayana, and they are your Ista-deva. But now your even disrespecting our Sadhu's and Guru's. I think your going to far. If you want to talk about it in a spiritual way that is fine. But if you offend any devotees, even Vishnu cannot save you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankaja_Dasa Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Ok, Rama is with Sita, Lakmi with Narayana, Who is Krishna with? Is He all alone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 in the maha-mantra, is chanting Hare a cry to Radha? Is Hari and Radha is different? Radha Radha, I had created you again within me to love you forever in every heart that mine with my divine soul touching every heart with tear of my love that flows forever You become one sacred river that flows from heaven with the goddess of love by singing my song that I had written for you Your prayer reaches me with the vapor of your eyes that dries every heart with pain of separation You are not separate from me but you are always me my part that belongs to you within my universe with your name Radha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 You seem to be very imature. Either your trying to establish your own faith or you lack faith. I don't know which it is. Madhavachari, or Premananda as he used to be called when he worshipped Gadadhar Pran as his guru, has always been imature. He tries to strengthen his weak faith by criticizing other people's beliefs. He has always done this. Anyone who becomes a Gauranga Nagari and worships the wacko Gadadhar Pran can't have all his marbles in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Madhavachari should learn his own religion before criticizing others beliefs. Radha is refered to in Swami Vedanta Desikar's Yadhavabhudayam. devaki danuja sthuna divyam dhama vrajankanam rama radhadhayascheti rashi bhedaihi na bhidyase So Madhavachari should just learn to be quiet and study his own scriptures before trying to speak as though he knew what he was talking about. This is a clear case of the empty pot making sound. If Radha did not exist, Sri Vaishnava acharyas would not have spoken about her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 He has changed his name and beliefs many times. But each time his mood stays the same. Instead of preaching a positive message of his new found beliefs, he just goes to boards and tells people their beliefs are wrong. I think it was Jagat who said he expected him to be back some day as Brother Stephen, telling everyone they would not be saved unless they accepted Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankaja_Dasa Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Interesting info, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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