Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

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Posted by Yaduraja on Jun 20, 2006:

 

Dear Ramakanta Prabhu,

PAMHO, AGTSP,

You wrote:

 

> We all know that you see contradictions in my statements and that you

> consider me defeated. There it no need to write that every day.

 

I see the contradictions since they are there. Everyone reading our

exchanges can see that first you wrote:

 

> Srila Prabhupada's program was that in 1975 all his disciples are allowed

> to initiate (letter to Hamsadutta).

(Ramakanta das May 26, 2006 - 04:25 AM)

 

when you had PREVIOUSLY claimed:

 

> ...it is not the etiquette that a disciples initiates his own disciples

> while his guru is still present.

(Ramakanta das Nov 16, 2005 - 06:40 AM)

 

Since we all know Srila Prabhupada was still physically present in 1975 you

completely contradicted your own position.

 

Then, having realised that you made a huge blunder you contradicted yourself

further by changing your position to:

 

"In 1968 Srila Prabhupada did not want to be the sole diksa guru for ISKCON

for its whole duration"

 

thus contradicting the very same evidence YOU USED to establish your

position, which was time specific: ‘in 1975’.

 

You then make things even worse for yourself by forcing me to explain all

this FIVE TIMES.

 

You then make the most foolish mistake you have ever made in this debate

(and that in an arena of stiff competition) by trying to extract just one

sentence from the Hamsadutta letter, one that does not give the date 1975,

in the vain hope that everyone will somehow forget or ignore the preceding

sentence!

 

The reason I keep repeating the fact that you are defeated is because, by

the rules of Vaisnava debate, you are.

 

And until you do as Kesava Kasmiri did when caught in contradiction, I shall

continue to repeat this fact day after day after day. As you say I have

spotted a number of previous contradictions in your position already, so I

think I have been extremely patient with you.

 

Once you concede defeat in this deabte I shall happily answer any further

questions you may have.

 

You say:

 

> Seeing contradictions does not prove your unproven claims.

 

Contradicting yourself will not convince anyone our position is unproven.

Best wishes

Ys

Yadu