a counter example / Beware of Kali's agents

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> Mahatma:

> > > The use of pyschology may never assist one in becoming KC directly,

> > > but it can help people deal with deep emotional issues which in turn

> > > may create more stablility in their lives and enable them to practice

> > > KC better.

>

> Braja Sevaki:

> > Which is the same as saying it's more potent than chanting Hare Krishna,

> > which is a load of old socks. I've about had enough of hearing that

> > line, prabhu. I'm surprised to hear it coming from you.

>

> Your saying that Mahatma said psychology is more potent than chanting

> sounds to me like you are putting words in his mouth.

 

When someone says that deep emotional issues first have to be dealt with by

some modern psychological process before the mind can take to the chanting

of the holy name, it's the same as saying that the chanting of Hare Krishna

cannot help initially overcome psycholical problems, which is the same as

saying that the devotional process is dependent on material circumstances.

 

> > Psychology doesn't help "deep emotional issues." The only thing that can

> > help anyone in Kali yuga is chanting Hare Krishna. harer nama harer nama

> > harer nama eva kevalam...etc. I can't believe I have to say this to

> > someone of your long standing, prabhu....

>

> According to the rules of argument, Braja Sevaki, you should now be asked

> the question, What would it take to change your mind? Care to say?

 

What you seem to be saying is that modern psychology can help us become

better devotees. What do you think Prabhupada would have to say to that?

 

> Suppose someone argued that seeing a psychologist *had* helped in

> overcoming a difficulty and enabled this devotee to go on with chanting

> Hare Krishna. What will your reply be?

 

I'd say you'd have to show me some evidence before I'd believe that. How can

modern psychology help devotees who are aspiring to become pure and free

from from false ego? Please tell me that? The only thing I have seen modern

psychology do to anyone is to enhance and solidify their false egos.

 

ys, jdd

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In a message dated 6/22/2006 9:50:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Jahnu (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes:

 

I'd say you'd have to show me some evidence before I'd believe that. How can

modern psychology help devotees who are aspiring to become pure and free

from from false ego? Please tell me that? The only thing I have seen modern

psychology do to anyone is to enhance and solidify their false egos.

 

 

 

 

WE'll let's say a devotee said that. Actually, I know several good devotees

who have told me that. Now there are two ways to take that. One is that you

could respons and say "Ok good, I am glad you are doing better in KC. The

other is, "I don't believe you because only KC can help you."

 

Your servant,

Mahatma das

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> I'd say you'd have to show me some evidence before I'd believe that. How

> can modern psychology help devotees who are aspiring to become pure and

> free from from false ego? Please tell me that? The only thing I have seen

> modern psychology do to anyone is to enhance and solidify their false

> egos.

>

>

>

>

> WE'll let's say a devotee said that. Actually, I know several good

> devotees who have told me that. Now there are two ways to take that. One

> is that you could respons and say "Ok good, I am glad you are doing

> better in KC. The other is, "I don't believe you because only KC can help

> you."

 

I would of course say "Ok good, I am glad you are doing better in KC" but

inside I would have my doubts, because it is clearly stated in the sastra

that only the Hare Krishna mantra can ward off the evils of Kali-yuga. I

have firm faith in sastra, and also my personal experience over many years

confirms it, both regarding myself and others. Personally I have never met

anyone who became a better devotee by material means, quite to the contrary.

 

ys, jdd