Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

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Posted by Yaduraja on Jun 23, 2006:

 

Dear Ramakanta prabhu,

PAMHO, AGTSP,

 

You are trying to illogically shift the burden of proof and distract again

from your own self defeat:

 

> You did not prove that unlike the other acaryas Srila Prabhupada was

> unable or not allowed to instruct his disciples to accept their own

> disciples while he is still present.

 

It is YOUR position which is in self-contradiction not MINE. It is thus YOU

who has to produce the statement from Srila Prabhupada that he may waver the

'law' or 'etiqutte' WITHIN ISKCON. You have not done this, thus you are

self-defeated. Your examples of the past are completely IRRELEVANT. We are

only discussing Srila Prabhupada's instructions FOR ISKCON.

 

You ask:

 

> Please prove that. Please present one statement by Srila Prabhupada where

> he used the phrase "initiate on behalf of" or similar

 

Ok, read these and weep:

 

> "...so I think now you may be appointed by me to give first initiations to

> new disciples by chanting on their beads on my behalf. In America

> Kirtanananda Swami is going that. So now if there are two of you that will

> give me great relief. Kirtanananda will chant on the beads for new

> devotees in America, Canada, like that, you can chant on the beads for the

> European continent new disciples. They shall, of course, still be

> considered as my disciples, not that they shall become your disciples, but

> you will be empowered by me to chant their beads and that is the same

> effect of binding master and disciple as if I were personally chanting. "

> (SPL Revatinandana, 4 January 1973)

>

> "My dear Kirtanananda,

> Please accept my blessings. Now I am getting so many requests to take

> first initiation from temples in your country, and once before I had

> empowered you to chant the beads on my behalf, so henceforth, as long as I

> am away from America and Canada, I am requesting all of the temple

> presidents in that zone of North America and South America to send the

> beads of the new devotees to you at New Vrndaban. The candidates for new

> devotees will send me their letters as usual, and I will give them names

> myself and enter in our records, simply you must chant on their beads and

> then return to them. Is that clear?" (SPL Kirtanananda 5 January 1973)

 

I shall look in on this forum on Monday and I expect to see your admission

of defeat.

best wishes

ys

Yadu