Guest guest Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 Subramanya Datta -ji: First , let me issue you a warm welcome to the group and secondly , thank you for taking the time to post this wonderful dialogue betweem HH Sri Chandrasekara swamigal and a devotee. You write ( By sandhya worship we mean the worship of the rising Sun, the setting Sun or Sun in the mid heavens.) Yes ! Trikala sandhya worship ! Datta-ji, may i be permitted to share something with you and this august audience something on Trikala sandhya worship ? Tr-kaala sandhya of gayathri mantra.... The Gayathri mantra is chanted at Dawn, Noon and Dusk - THREE TIMES A DAY . WHY ? At the dawn, Gayatri appears as BRAHMASWAROOPINI on Her SWAN Vaahana (on which to ride). So during this time, the attributes of SARASWATI predominate and influence the effect. SARASWATI grants wisdom to the aspirant. Japa during Noon: At noon, Gayatri appears as RUDRASWAROOPINI on Her BULL Vaahana. So during this time the attributes of DURGA predominate and influence the effect. DURGA removes distress of the aspirant. Japa during Dusk: At dusk, Gayatri appears as VISHNUSWAROOPINI on Her GARUDA Vaahana. So during this time the attributes of LAKSHMI predominate and influence the effect. LAKSHMI grants wealth and prosperity to the aspirant. The above is the traditional analysis of Tri-Kaala with respect to THE CHANTING OF GAYATHRI MANTRA another explanation : Gayatri is Brahmani in the morning, Vaishnavi at noon and Rudrani in the evening. Morning is the time when creative forces are predominant in nature, and as Brahma represents the creative principle, it is His influence, which can most profitably be sought by the aspirant at that time. At noon, the forces of preservation are predominant and therefore Vishnu is the Presiding Deity of this part of the day. He is the Preserver who keeps in balance the forces of creation and destruction and it is therefore His influence, which is invoked at this time of the day. In the evening the forces of destruction become strong and since destruction is the function of Rudra, naturally it is His influence, which pervades nature and can most profitably be utilised at this time of the day.Instead of 'Destruction', 'Regeneration' is a much better word because it carries the idea of creation and preservation also, with that of destruction).Destruction by Rudra is not for its own sake, but takes place because the form which He destroys has ceased to serve its purpose efficiently and has become a hindrance in the evolution of the life embodied in that form. So He takes it away and gives, in its place, a new, and more elastic and useful form. This conception of the function of Rudra gives quite a different complexion to the outer destruction! (POSTED IN OUR GROUP BRAHMANSHAKTI by a member) Still another explanation is Sandhya means the conjunction of two stages of time. Pratah Sandhya is the time when transition from the night to the day takes place. Likewise evening sandhya is the time when the day slides into the night. Madhyanna Sandhya is the time when the morning and afternoon are connected. It is said that even TIME has attributes or gunas -Time also has Sathwa, Raja and Thamo Gunas. What do we mean by time having Sathwa guna? All these three attributes have 24 hours to go by in a day. Each of these three Gunas takes up 8 hours by itself i.e , Sathwa has 8 hours, Rajasik has 8 hours and Thamasik has 8 hours. What are these 8 hours of Sathwik time? When you designate the period from 4 a m to 8 a m the intervening 4 hours are Sathwik. In like manner, the time between 4 p.m. and 8 p.m. is also Sathwik. These two stretches of 4 hours apiece are Sathwik hours. The time from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m.is Rajasik. It is during this time that all lifeforms keep doing whatever has to be done by them. Then we have the time from 8 p.m. to 4 a.m. during the night. This is the Thamasik time. That it is indeed Thamasik we know from our experience. The chief quality that is associated with this time is sleep. Sleep is being equated to Thamasik in this analysis. It is during the Sathwik time viz., from 4 a m . and from 4 p.m. to 8 p.m. that we should undertake our sacred and noble duties. (like chanting , meditating, worshipping etc) This Gayatri Manthra has to be taken up for chanting at any time during the period of from 4 a.m. to 8 a.m., and then at any time between 4 p.m. and 8 p.m. <br><br>lt is absolutely necessary that you chant this Gayatri Manthra either in the early hours of the morning or in the evening hours. During the mid- day also it can be taken up for chanting, but for certain purposes. When you look upon it as a Sadhana, it is the morning and evening hours which are sacred for chanting. You should chant this Manthra at least three times in the morning hours and three times in the evening time. (BASED ON A DISCOURSE BY SRI SATYA SAI BABA) Dattaji writes : (It is not only this, for you will find if you consider the matter still further, that all the three ways known as karma, bhakti and Gyana have been given places in the daily worship, but that is a different matter. Simple as the sandhya worship seems to be, it is sufficient to help us on to the highest stages. ) THIS SENTIMENT IS ALSO ECHOED BY NONE OTHER THAN MAHA PERIYAVAAL - KANCHI KAMAKOTI SWAMIGAL. "We sin with our mind, speech and body. I told you that these sins must be washed away by performing rites with the same mind, speech and body. In sandhyavandana we mutter the mantras with our mouth and, even as we repeat the Gayatri, we meditate on it with our mind and in such rites as marjana (sprinkling of water) we acquire bodily purity. Sandhyavandana is karmayoga, bhaktiyoga and jnanayoga combined [it unites the three paths of karma, devotion and knowledge]. " SALUTATION TO VEDAMATA GAYTHRI , THE MOTHER OF ALL MANTRAS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 advaitin, "dhyanasaraswati" <dhyanasaraswati wrote: > > Subramanya Datta -ji: > > First , let me issue you a warm welcome to the group and secondly , > thank you for taking the time to post this wonderful dialogue betweem > HH Sri Chandrasekara swamigal and a devotee. > > You write > > ( By sandhya worship we mean the worship of the rising Sun, the > setting Sun or Sun in the mid heavens.) > > Yes ! Trikala sandhya worship ! > > Datta-ji, may i be permitted to share something with you and this > august audience something on Trikala sandhya worship ? > > Tr-kaala sandhya of gayathri mantra.... > > The Gayathri mantra is chanted at Dawn, Noon and Dusk - THREE TIMES A > DAY . WHY ? Namaste,D-ji et al, I'm not sure of your references on the Gayatri being so reliable considering the source of some. However as Ramana Maharshi says, he is a reliable Mukta at least,if you believe in a separate 'I' then you believe in a universal heirarachy. Planetary Deity, Solar Deity etc etc. These are all as real as oneself! For if you believe in Devas then for you there are Devas. However the real meaning is symbolic, the sun is just a point of obvious concentration, as is a picture or an idol. It is what is behind the sun that is worshipped namely one's own SELF. That is the meaning of the Gayatri etc...........ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 dear T-ji : You are fond of quoting upanishads as was obvious from your recent post with reference to 'mandukya' upanishads! let me quote a beautiful passage from Taiitriya upanishds " There are meditations on the human plane. Then follow the divine ones. (Brahman is to be meditated on) as *contentment in rain*; *as energy in lightning.* III-x-3-4: Brahman is to be worshipped as *fame in beasts*; as *light in the stars;* as *procreation, immortality, and joy in the generative organ;* as *everything in space.* One should meditate on that Brahman *as the support;* thereby one becomes supported. One should meditate on that Brahman *as great;* thereby one becomes great. One should meditate on It as *thinking;* thereby one becomes able to think. One should meditate on It as *bowing down;* thereby the enjoyable things bow down to one. One should meditate on It as the most *exalted;* Thereby one becomes exalted. One should meditate on It as Brahman's *medium of destruction;* thereby the adversaries that envy such a one die, and so do the enemies whom this one dislikes." ( celextel's online library) Now, t-ji, how can you bow down to yourself or do namaskarams to your self ? is it physically possible ?There is deep meaning here ! i will explain it in kanchi periyavaal's words later ! Bur for now, when you do Surya namaskar , you are doing 'namaskar' to Surya as a personal deity but in reality you are also saluting the brahman because the efflugence in Sun is Brahman also ! Read this T-ji! Antastaddharmopadesat I.1.20 (20) The being within (the Sun and the eye) is Brahman, because His attributes are taught therein. Antah: (Antaratma, the being within the sun and the eye); Tat Dharma: His essential attribute; Upadesat: because of the teaching, as Sruti teaches. (swami sivananda- brahma sutras) OM NAMO SURYA-NARAYANA! advaitin, "Tony OClery" <aoclery wrote: > >> However the real meaning is symbolic, the sun is just a point of > obvious concentration, as is a picture or an idol. It is what is > behind the sun that is worshipped namely one's own SELF. That is the > meaning of the Gayatri etc...........ONS...Tony. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 advaitin, "dhyanasaraswati" <dhyanasaraswati wrote: > > dear T-ji : > > You are fond of quoting upanishads as was obvious from your recent > post with reference to 'mandukya' upanishads! > > let me quote a beautiful passage from Taiitriya upanishds > > " There are meditations on the human plane. Then follow the divine > ones. (Brahman is to be meditated on) as *contentment in rain*; *as > energy in lightning.* > III-x-3-4: Brahman is to be worshipped as *fame in beasts*; as *light > Namaste D-ji, The Upanishads and other scriptures are all complimentary to the level of awareness of the reader. Bowing down to Brahman is dualistic as there are two thoughts there, Brahman and I. When one only comtemplates to one's own Self, 'Who am I' then one is not dualistic, even in thought..............ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 -Namaste T-ji! you make a good point. However , we need to examine the whole statement in Taittriya upanishd in full to arrive at the hidden meaning! Read this explanation by Kanchi swamigal in his 'inimitable' words : "The Taittriya Upanishad proclaims: Think of Paramatma himself as Namaskara and worship Him; all desires will start doing namaskara to you. What is the meaning of this? We Normally perform namaskara for the fulfillment of our desires. Is such complete fulfillment of desires possible? Will the Law of Karma permit that? Even if such a possibility is there, will it give inner contentment and peace? Desires have no end. Praying for the fulfillment of desires is therefore an endless pursuit. The intelligent course is to pray for freedom from desire. It is that liberated state that is here referred to as "desires doing namaskara to you". The devotee here performs namaskara not for the fulfillment of any desire; so desire appeals to the devotee not to be ignored so totally; this thought is presented with poetic beauty in this Upanishadic statement. " READ THE CHAPTER ON NAMO NAMAH -PART 4 OF 4 http://Hwww.kamakoti.org - 26k - Cached Swami Krishnananda says "the sun is regarded as the presiding deity over the self of man, while the moon is the presiding deity over the mind of man. The self or the soul is different from the mind; the Atman and the Manas are differentiated by their metaphysical and psychological characteristics, respectively. The self of man is presided over by the Sun or Surya. The Sun is designated as Atma-Karaka. "Surya Atma Jagatas Tasthushascha" says the Veda. The Rig-Veda proclaims the spiritual presiding principle in the Sun as the invigorator, energiser of the selves of all created beings. That is the meaning of the Vedic prayer mentioned above. Of all the things that move and do not move, of all that is organic or inorganic, of everything in creation, the solar principle is the self, as it were, the pivot round which all individual energies revolve. We live by the Sun and die if the Sun is not to be. Spiritually envisaged, esoterically conceived, the Sun is not merely a huge orb of atomic energy as the physicists would tell us, but a radiant mass of life-giving vitality to everyone. The sun is not merely a heating principle, like an electric heater or a fire-like burning mass, or a huge conflagration of fire, because these cannot give you that energy which the Sun supplies to you." " Something wonderful and mysterious is there in the Sun and there is some great significance in connecting the principle of the Sun with the self of man, as there is also equal significance in the connection of the moon with the mind of man. " This is a beautiful article on Makara SANKRANTI AND ITS SIGNIFICANCE. http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/fest/fest_02.html T-ji, i leave you with this verse from viveka chudamani to ponder 142. As layers of clouds generated by the sun's rays cover the sun and alone appear (in the sky), so egoism generated by the Self, covers the reality of the Self and appears by itself. Om namaha Shivaya ! ( ONS -T-ji -please do not abbreviate this ; this is disheartening) -- In advaitin, "Tony OClery" <aoclery wrote: > other scriptures are all complimentary to the > level of awareness of the reader. Bowing down to Brahman is > dualistic as there are two thoughts there, Brahman and I. When one > only comtemplates to one's own Self, 'Who am I' then one is not > dualistic, even in thought..............ONS..Tony. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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