high & Low birth ..a question - - -

[Guest guest]

In Vishnu Puranm, the Lord said that He would take the money from a

devotee if He wants to uplift him (Yasyaanugrahamichchami tasya

vittam haramyaham). When you donate to Datta, He will not look at

the donated money but He will look at the remaining money. When the

Lord came as a guest to Saktuprastha, the Lord asked for the entire

food. The family of Saktuprastha was fasting for the last ten days,

since it was a severe draught. And that family was sent to Brahma

Loka on the spot.

 

It means that if the Lord wants to bless anybody with full

salvation, He will take away his or her money completely. This means

that when the money is sacrificed, the bond with the children is

definitely cut. If that highest bond is cut, all the other bonds

will be cut. That is the full liberation from all the bonds, which

is called complete salvation. You are returning back the money that

is the Goddess Lakshmi to her husband (God) unlike Ravana.

 

Holy Jesus says that the camel may enter the eye of the needle but a

rich man can never reach the God. Holy Bible says that people are

praying by their lips but the heart is with the family bonds only

(Matthew 15:7&8). Our Indians never donate even a single coin for

God's work except the words (Prayers) and Mind (Meditation).

 

>From the above it is clear that to born as a wealthy person is not

very great. Money & worldly success lead anyone away from Lord.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

http://www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

Aditya Mukhopadhyay <rivu03 wrote:

>It is said that good are rewarded with a good(high) birth , and bad

(papi) are punished with a low birth in the next life after

completing there bhoga in the afterlife.

>But often it is seen that it is the (rich) highborn which indulge

in much selfishness & cruilty causing pain and suffering to the poor

& weak.

>How does one reconcile the fact that if a soul had been good in the

previous life thus being born in a rich family in this life ends up

being so bad now.

>

>if selfishness & cruilty was there in them from before(previous

life) why did they get a high birth(rich family) in this life

>Note: of cource i am equating high birth with birth in rich family

in this case and not every body will agree to that.

>

>regards

>Aditya

[Guest guest]

> Holy Jesus says that the camel may enter the eye of the needle but a

> rich man can never reach the God. Holy Bible says that people are

> praying by their lips but the heart is with the family bonds only

> (Matthew 15:7&8).

 

 

arre surya bhaiyya, we are a bit confused which religon you belong to-

you say such good things about Christianity, and such bad things about

Indians.

 

>Our Indians never donate even a single coin for

> God's work

 

You see we Indians are evil people. We need the help of Westernerers

to become civilised, to teach us about our own religon. We are indeed

indebted that people like you are doing this job so well by constantly

showing us our mistakes and reminding us how the Bible shows the

way(Like when you reminded us the Rebirth is not true, as the Bible

doesnt mention it).

 

Praise the Lord, Hallelujah!

[Guest guest]

Q) Why are you criticizing Hindus always and praise the Christians

and Muslims?

 

A) I am interested in the spiritual welfare of Hindus because, they

are misled by selfish gurus, who were masters in twisting the

scriptures to their convenience. I am angry with those false gurus

and I pity Hindus who are misled by these gurus. Hindus are not

serious about spiritual line unlike Christians and Muslims. Most of

the Hindus are worried about their families and wealth only and they

try to use even the Lord as an instrument for their happiness. The

root reason is that the Hindu gurus twisted the Hindu scriptures and

created a wrong concept that the soul gets several human births.

With this concept, people try to postpone the spiritual line to the

old age and are immersed in the juice of family bonds. This juice

has entered every cell of the human being by the time they become

old. Therefore the old people cannot avoid even a trace of the

attachments with the family.

 

We must remember that Shankara could cut the bond with his mother in

the childhood. Hanuman could not cut the bond with his mother in his

old age and fought with the Lord for the sake of his mother. These

old people are postponing the spiritual line to the next human

birth. A Hindu is postponing the spiritual effort till the last

minute based on this wrong concept. In Christianity and Islam, the

concept is that there is no human re-birth. According to these two

religions, after this human birth, the final enquiry will be done

and the soul will either reach the Lord or will be thrown into hell

permanently. This concept creates lot of seriousness in a Christian

and a Muslim from the beginning. If you say that there is no re-

examination for the failures in the annual test, the student will be

serious from the date of joining of the college. If you say that

there are a number of re-tests for the failures, the student will

postpone the study to March and in March, he will postpone to the

next re-examination.

 

If the Hindu scriptures are researched, the real concept comes out

because the same Lord told the same theory in all the religions in

different languages. After all, the principle of conversion of mass

into energy (E=m*c2) of Einstein must be the same in all the

countries in their languages. Thus, the real interpretation of Hindu

scriptures also shows that there is no human re-birth for any soul.

The teacher is harsh towards the student who is not in the correct

line and that should not be misunderstood. Datta is Universal Guru

and He has no distinction between any two religions and any two

human beings in this world.

 

Please remember that Datta is the creator of this entire world. The

criticism is soar like medicine and gives you good spiritual health

by destroying the ignorance-illness. The pleasing words are like the

sweets, which bring illness to you.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

lalu_yadav_bhai <no_reply wrote:

> arre surya bhaiyya, we are a bit confused which religon you belong

to- you say such good things about Christianity, and such bad things

about Indians.

>

> You see we Indians are evil people. We need the help of

Westernerers to become civilised, to teach us about our own religon.

We are indeed indebted that people like you are doing this job so

well by constantly showing us our mistakes and reminding us how the

Bible shows the way(Like when you reminded us the Rebirth is not

true, as the Bible doesnt mention it).

> Praise the Lord, Hallelujah!

[Guest guest]

> A) I am interested in the spiritual welfare of Hindus because, they

> are misled by selfish gurus, who were masters in twisting the

> scriptures to their convenience. I am angry with those false gurus

> and I pity Hindus who are misled by these gurus.

 

One of the pitfalls and dangers of Yoga, as described by Pitanjali, is

when the Sadhak, after some prayer/meditation, starts thinking its his

job to reform humanity. He stops meditating and becomes a Guru. You

are talking like one the Gurus you criticise. God doesnt need your

help, and the Hindus you pity are very smart. They have survived for

1000s of years, while Chrisitanity and Islam are falling to pieces.

 

>

> We must remember that Shankara could cut the bond with his mother in

> the childhood. Hanuman could not cut the bond with his mother in his

> old age and fought with the Lord for the sake of his mother.

 

So what is wrong with loving your mother? This concept that you have

to leave your family to starve and go meditate in jungle is one of the

biggest evil of the modern(misinterpreted) Hinduism.

 

>In Christianity and Islam, the > concept is that there is no human

>re-birth. According to these two religions, after this human birth,

>the final enquiry will be done > and the soul will either reach the

>Lord or will be thrown into hell permanently. This concept creates

>lot of seriousness in a Christian and a Muslim from the beginning.

 

Yeah, right. The numbers of Chistians has been falling steadily. Islam

is keeping its numbers by murdering those who convert, as happened few

days in Afghanistan. This doesnt create seriousness, but fanaticism

and hatred of other religons.

 

 

> If the Hindu scriptures are researched, the real concept comes out

> because the same Lord told the same theory in all the religions in

> different languages.

 

The same old bullshit you repeat every few days. Its getting bit

boring now.......

 

> Please remember that Datta is the creator of this entire world. The

> criticism is soar like medicine and gives you good spiritual health

> by destroying the ignorance-illness. The pleasing words are like the

> sweets, which bring illness to you.

 

So you will accept the criticism of several members about your weird

theories, or is your bitter medicine only reserved for other people?

[Guest guest]

The true God comes down in human form with true knowledge and His

few true devotees accompany him. These few devotees belong to His

inner most circles and constitute His family. In Satyaloka (True

world), He is surrounded by millions of angels and sages, who will

be hearing the true knowledge from His mouth. All of them are His

followers and they constantly praise Him. After some time the Lord

wants some rest and He comes down to the earth along with His

family. On this earth nobody recognizes Him, nobody listens Him and

nobody follows Him. It is just like a big officer disgusted with the

large crowd in his office goes to some foreign place along with his

family, where he is not identified.

 

The Lord emits the true knowledge on the earth and His own family

members who are in the human form will only listen and follow Him.

What is the use of that drama here? Already they were His followers.

The aim of this drama is to inspire the people of this world so that

at least one person on the earth can become His follower. Gita says

the same (Kaschitmam..). The Lord is not fond of money or fame

because He is the husband of the Goddess of wealth. He is not fond

of the fame, because He was bored with the fame as millions of sages

and angels praise Him. When the Lord comes as preacher, He is called

Satguru.

 

The other human beings are called as only Gurus. These Gurus are

fond of money and fame. They don't know the true knowledge. Even if

they know they will not preach it because not a single person will

turn to them. Infact even in the case of Satguru, same is the case

but His followers who accompanied Him are turning to Him. Therefore

the Guru preaches false knowledge following the psychology of

ignorant people. To please the ignorant person, you must preach him

strictly following his psychology. Even if you say something in

addition, that should not contradict his basic psychology. For Ex: -

when you preach a blind person, he will be happy if you say that

there is always darkness in this world.

 

He will be happy since he always experiences the darkness. In

addition, if you say that there is Sun on the sky, you must say that

the Sun is also black. He will be happy to this additional Sun

because the Sun is also black. Suppose you say that there is light

in the world, he will not agree since it contradicts his experience

of darkness. Suppose you establish the existence of light and the

existence of illuminating Sun through powerful logic, he will become

emotional and violent because your concept not only contradicts his

experience, but also could not be defeated by his counter logic. It

is a double blow on him. Kauravas did not concede the preaching of

Lord Krishna for the same reason.

 

The priests for the same reason opposed the preachings of Jesus.

Mohammed fought with several religious leaders for the same reason.

The priests who were killing animals in the sacrifice opposed

Buddha. Conservative religious leaders oppose even a true scientist.

The scientist wants practical proof and logical proof. All the human

incarnations never adjusted themselves to the world. They preached

the true knowledge only because their aim was the future

generations. One generation is nothing compared to millions and

millions of generations on this earth.

 

When the Lord comes down as Paripurna Avatara, His devotees existing

in Brahmaloka or Satyaloka come down along with Him to assist His

mission. The other human incarnations are the human forms into which

the power of the Lord enters. Such human incarnations are called

Avataras of Kala, Amsa etc. Such incarnations are followed by the

devotees existing in the lower worlds below Satyaloka, which are

called as Jnana Loka, Tapoloka, Maharloka etc. When the Lord Himself

exists in the human body that is called Paripurna Avatara like Lord

Krishna. In the case of Purnaavatara also the Lord exists but does

not emit the true knowledge like Rama. The human incarnations from

the upper worlds come to the earth. In the same manner the human

incarnations of Saturn (Kali) also come to the earth from the lower

worlds below the earth. These worlds are called as Asura Lokas,

which are the abodes of demons. These lower worlds are called as

intensive hells.

 

A soul fallen in these hells is condemned and can never return to

the earth. There is a hell in the upper worlds also. Such souls,

which can be rectified by punishment, will enter that hell in which

the Lord is sitting in an energetic body called `Yama'. Veda says

that a soul, which harmed itself by turning towards the world, is

committing the real suicide. Such soul goes to the lower permanent

hells. Thus both the divine and evil forces enter the earth and

fight with each other. In this Kaliyuga the strength for divine

force is only one-fourth. It is like a question with multiple choice

having three wrong answers and one correct answer.

 

Lord can destroy all the evil forces in a fraction of a second. But

He allows the opposing force because both the forces are essential

for a game. This world gives entertainment to the Lord like a game.

Veda says that the purpose of the creation by the Lord is only the

playful entertainment. Moreover, if one comes out with such multiple-

choice questions, such success is real. Whatever the Lord does, it

is always multi-dimensional.

 

Sankara emitted the true knowledge irrespective of various opposing

scholars. Finally He was killed by the black magic of Kapalikas. He

died by the disease called `Bhagandhara', which is flow of blood.

Kapalikas tried to cut His head also. But He never feared and

established the true knowledge for the future generations.

Similarly, Jesus, Bhuddha and Mohammed. Even Swami Dayananda was

killed by food poisoning, because he established the true knowledge

based on Vedas and Sastras.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

shanracer <no_reply wrote:

> One of the pitfalls and dangers of Yoga, as described by

Pitanjali, is when the Sadhak, after some prayer/meditation, starts

thinking its his job to reform humanity. He stops meditating and

becomes a Guru. You are talking like one the Gurus you criticise.

God doesnt need your help.

 

> So you will accept the criticism of several members about your

weird theories, or is your bitter medicine only reserved for other

people?